Masculinities of the far right

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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby General Patton » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:24 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:32 am wrote:
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I was going to write some detailed account of how I used to be an “anti-fascist” in my early 20s and how your cognitive dissonance and unconditional hatred of white people drove me to the alt-right but you wouldn’t read it.

I’ll just say this. The alt-right is not 60+ year old tea partiers clutching their money. We’re young and we used to be you. By and large we were leftists, some even radical leftists. What made us change? You. We’re a reaction to you. The story is always the same. The unconditional anti-white hatred from you, your professors, and your brown pets drives these white kids away from leftism completely and in many cases to the extreme right. Do with that what you will.

Oh and I love that you’re essentially admitting that you and your ideological brethren are now in power and we’re confined to our basements for fear of having our lives ruined for disagreeing with you. Who’s the fascist now?

>>antifascistfront
You’re quite right. I wouldn’t read it.

>>Reaction
Good. Please keep doing what you’re doing. We wouldn’t exist without you.


The current GOP elite were/are quite confused about the alt-right because of this. It seems like they came out of nowhere, they do not have the usual backgrounds and the usual appeals to loyalty and interest do not work. Saying something about supporting Israel could easily have the opposite of the intended effect.

At the same time, the new left is doubling down without concern for whether any of their tactics actually work or are proportional to the problems they face ( and certainly not concerning themselves about actual statesmanship, no one has time for that). The new left, more than anything else, seems inexperienced with handling and using power. It's like someone handed a Ferrari over to a 12 year old and let out on the highway.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:42 pm

Paul Waggener to Master Chim-ichanga: "We still practice "humane" animal sacrifice"

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"There's fucking blog sites dedicated to us, just hating on us. You know what I mean? They're like, "This fucking hate group, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Every time I just fucking have to laugh. I think we talked about this last time. Would these cocksuckers walk into a fucking Mohawk Indian Pow Wow and be like, "I demand that you recognize me as a member of the Mohawk Indian Nation." No. Because that would be fucking stupid, and that would be cultural appropriation. If you could get to any fucking different from me as a European-American, then you're a fucking racist. You know what I mean? Why is it any different for us? Why can't we have our own shit? So, fuck 'em. Co-existence is fuckin', co-existence is a moot point. Anybody in this world right now who's slanted against us, they fucking hate us for having a group like what we have, because they're fucking weak, and they're upholding a weak fucking narrative. Well, fuck it, and we hate 'em right back."


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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby General Patton » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:52 pm



Speaking of which, here's a PDF on Norse human sacrifice:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tzvdk0v2amcru ... e.pdf?dl=0


If anyone remembers Order of Nine Angles (connected to Combat 18 through David Myatt), he was very big on human sacrifice. ONA used the term Opfer for sacrifices:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tjkuxuu57ckwl ... 3.pdf?dl=0

In this case however it a practice of culling people they judged undesirable rather than offering something valuable to the gods.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby DrEvil » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:57 pm

seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:48 pm wrote:is it ok with you if I start 7 more OP's on domestic terrorism?

or stick to the unofficial rule that EVERYONE ELSE here follows except AD

oh and how many times does one get to publish the rules around here...ain't that against the rules?

everyone here knows the rules we don't need a reminder from AD ....is there a problem I'm not seeing?


Last time I checked AD wasn't a mod (thank Gawd!). We should have the same rule as Ars Technica:
Don't quote the rules in the comments section. Period.
If you think someone is breaking them report it to the mods and move on.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby slomo » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:34 pm

Quoting the rules is a passive-aggressive way of saying "I was in my safe-space, minding my own business screen-dumping my anti-fascist tracts, when all of a sudden a bad man came and triggered me; policeman please do something about the bad man!"

This total cognitive dissonance is an example of what that Reaction quote is talking about.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:59 pm

semper occultus » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:09 pm wrote:
...the old right wing order that needs to be destroyed is British Nationalism as represented by the BNP and NF. This has noticeably already happened though as both those parties are now shadows of their former selves......


.....I have to say though that whilst the demise of the nation-state has been much heralded and indeed actively worked for with some alacrity by all sorts of people at both ends of the spectrum ....none of whom seem overly enamoured of ideas of democractic accountability...

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10235&p=579808#p99205

....it seems a pretty tenacious tangle of roots to dig out and any success achieved by "the right" in the current crisis is still very much about appeals to small-state nationalism not some Hitlerian pan-europa....

.....I'm not up with the ideology but the demise of e.g. the BNP is surely directly connected to the consequent ascendancy of UKIP who have been able to position themselves as a more respectable face of populist [b]nationalism...[/b]

....Marine le Penn has pulled off a similar trick within the French NF itself ( less convincingly it must be said hence Farage has refused to enter into any agreements with the French NF in the European Parliament )

...by the same token the Eastern European reaction to the refugee situation exhibited almost instinctive recoil from the idea of some common european homeland that the gnomes of the Brussels bureacracy have spent hundreds of billions over the last few decades trying to build up....


When I was spending time online and fairly up-close with BNPers circa 2010-2012, it became apparent to me that a number of members did represent a respectable face of populist nationalism, and that these members were mostly those responsible for their increase from 2000 onwards culminating in them attaining two European seats in late 2009.

Something I became increasingly aware of was that there was an ever-present splinter of what some called (hardline) ethnonationalism that was almost identical with, and drew it's ideology from, transatlantic white nationalism. Relatively small as this was, it was effective at preventing the party from developing a wing of what was termed civic nationalism, something natively espoused by UKIP.
Really, there was nothing within the BNP's make-up to stop it going in this direction, apart from this faction, in fact, the BNP had an advantage over UKIP in that it drew members from the traditional (Labour) Left as well as the right.

Of course, there were other factors apart from this WN splinter that contributed to their downfall, financial mismanagement for instance, but this ideological handicap seemed significant to me
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby semper occultus » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:41 pm

semper occultus » 27 Nov 2015 17:09 wrote:
Similarly WN and NatSocs are using the black sun on practically everything now without the slightest idea of what it means.


...as a matter of interest what does it mean...?


...bit O/T but thanks for responding...
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby semper occultus » Sun Nov 29, 2015 5:48 pm

....it became apparent to me that a number of members did represent a respectable face of populist nationalism....


....well it was run as a Griffin dictatorship for years and no-one of any ability was allowed to thrive & threaten his position......unfortuantely Farage seems to operate on very similar lines......
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:09 pm

WOVLARP Derp!


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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:40 pm

White Terrorism: The White Supremacy of Anti-Abortion Extremism

November 30, 2015 • Jessie Daniels

On Friday, November 27, an anti-abortion extremist opened fire on a Planned Parenthood center in Colorado Springs, killing three people and wounding nine others. The assailant was arrested while still alive – even though one of the people killed was a cop. As lots of people have been pointing out, he survived because of the privileges of his whiteness.

Others have noted the gentle treatment the gunman is receiving from the mainstream press accounts of his background before the shooting. The New York Times originally referred to him as a “gentle loner”. Then, in response to lots of push back on Twitter, the Times-edited out that word. Now, the piece refers to him instead as “itinerant”. (The NYTimes has not added an editorial note about this change.)

Still others have noted the reluctance of U.S. politicians, such as Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas) the head of the House Intelligence Committee, to name this act domestic terrorism. (There’s been a similar reluctance to call the white supremacists shooting of Black Lives Matter protestors an act of domestic terrorism – but more about that in another post).

White Supremacy and Anti-Abortion Extremism

The white supremacy of anti-abortion extremism goes deeper than this gunman’s deferential treatment by police, or politicians’ reluctance to speak plainly about what we can all see, or the mainstream media’s white framing of these acts of terrorism.

What I found in my early research of five different white supremacist organizations’ literature is that abortion is viewed as a form of racial treason (White Lies, Routledge, 1997, p.67-8). I analyzed hundreds of newsletters from these organizations over two decades (1970s-1990s) and found a consistent set of beliefs about abortion, anti-Blackness and anti-Semitism.

For white supremacists, the decline in the number of white births is directly tied to their fear of a decline in white dominance in the U.S. In this worldview, fewer white births is due to two factors. First, they contend there are fewer white women are who are willing to become pregnant and give birth to white children. Second, they believe that white women are quick to have abortions (or easily persuaded to do so) and are nonchalant about them afterwards.

The apparent willingness of white women to have abortions is counterposed against both anti-Blackness and anti-Semitism. For white supremacists are convinced that white women are having too many abortions, but Black women are having too few. And, they believe that Jewish men (mostly as doctors) and Jewish women (as feminists and champions of abortion) are behind this as a form of racial annihilation. I saw this again and again in the text of the publications I analyzed, as well as in the illustrations.

Anti-Blackness and Anti-Abortion
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A drawing from white supremacist publication Racial Loyalty (published by Ben Klassen) highlights the anti-Blackness of their anti-abortion stance. The illustration is a series of four panels, in each one a woman enters a clinic. In the first three panels, the women are all global-majority women, and each enters a clinic designated as a “Birth Clinic,” while her numerous children wait outside. In the fourth panel, a white woman enters an “Abortion Clinic,” and the caption below the (Jewish) doctor reads, “In a moment, we’ll dispose of the child to be.”(from Racial Loyalty, no.59, 1990, p.12, cited in Daniels, 1997, p.68).

The message in this crude drawing is clear: the wrong people – white people – are having abortions. Anti-abortion extremism here is not about the protection of “all life” but rather about the protection of the white race.
Anti-Semitism and Anti-Abortion

An illustration from White Aryan Resistance (WAR – published by Tom Metzger), depicts the anti-Semitism of anti-abortion extremism. In this drawing, directed at white women readers of WAR, warns of who the real culprits are behind abortion:

“Did you know that most abortionists are Jewish or other non-whites…and that the pro-abortion movement is headed by unfeminine feminist Jewesses who counsel non-whites to not get abortions…and did you know that abortionists slaughter nearly one million white babies every year? Jewish ritual murder is alive and well in the United States of America …and is very legal!” (WAR, vol.8, no.3, 1989, p.4 – cited in Daniels, 1997, p. 130).

By characterizing “abortionists” as Jewish and engaging in “ritual murder”, Metzger and his ilk are invoking a centuries old form of anti-Semitism.

A bit of an aside here: another way that Jewish people, especially feminists (almost always and exclusively Jewish) in WS rhetoric are convincing white women to not have white babies is by persuading them to be lesbians. Got me there. Queer, check. No children, check. Persuaded by many feminists, some of them Jewish. Check, check, and check. But I digress.

The message again and again throughout white supremacist literature and ideology is that abortion is a racial crime. It’s wrong when white women do it (but not others), and it’s promulgated by Jewish people, and it’s intended to harm the white race. While anti-semitism in mainstream rhetoric is more coded, the use of the term “abortionist” (instead of “doctor” or “abortion provider”) is an indication of the deep white supremacy of anti-abortion extremism.


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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby General Patton » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:18 pm

The above is another break with reality by WNs, they see abortion as an enemy of the white race even though blacks and hispanics are disproportionately represented in abortion statistics. It's very similar to WNs lamenting racemixing even though white women are generally the least likely of any race to mix by most dating stats I've seen. And once more, focus on Jews instead of resolving internal conflicts. There are a lot of breaks with reality there.

This thread has got me thinking about starting another thread: The Femininity of the far right
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby jakell » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:33 pm

General Patton » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:18 pm wrote:The above is another break with reality by WNs, they see abortion as an enemy of the white race even though blacks and hispanics are disproportionately represented in abortion statistics. It's very similar to WNs lamenting racemixing even though white women are generally the least likely of any race to mix by most dating stats I've seen. And once more, focus on Jews instead of resolving internal conflicts. There are a lot of breaks with reality there.

This thread has got me thinking about starting another thread: The Femininity of the far right


The Jews are a necessary ingredient to certain elements of white nationalism. There is also a convenient long history of antisemitism for WN's to point to (no smoke without fire etc), which removes the necessity of doing much original thinking.

As whites are supposed to be superior to other races in most ways, a reason has to be found for continued failure to dominate and thrive, and this is mostly put down to Jewish cunning and guile rather than superiority (we would have succeeded if it wasn't for those meddling kids etc..).
Often I've put it to WN's that they are wannabe Jews as they wish to have a similar degree of homogeneity in diaspora.
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:35 am

Planned Parenthood Says Colorado Shooting Was a Hate Crime Caused by 'Toxic Rhetoric'

By Liz Fields

November 30, 2015


Three days after a gunman killed three people and wounded nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, politicians are publicly wrangling about whether the incident should be called an act of domestic terrorism, a debate that has focused on rambling remarks about "baby parts" the suspected shooter reportedly made to police after he was arrested.

Police have declined to speculate on the motive of alleged shooter Robert Lewis Dear, but Planned Parenthood says it has no doubt about what sparked the incident. On Monday, Joan Malin, the President and CEO of Planned Parenthood New York, said the 57-year-old Dear was driven by "dangerous" anti-abortion sentiment whipped up in the wake of a recent "sting" video controversy.

Malin linked the incident to "relentless" and "toxic" rhetoric from the organization's opponents. "[Dear's] own statement to police, in which he mentioned something about 'no more baby parts,' is exactly the same phrasing used by anti-abortion activists," she said. "The language used by our opposition has created a heightened and tense situation that has now been translated to violence. It's hard to imagine there's no link between this incident and the toxic rhetoric that ratchets up the tension."



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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby slomo » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:56 am

American Dream » 01 Dec 2015 06:35 wrote:
Planned Parenthood Says Colorado Shooting Was a Hate Crime Caused by 'Toxic Rhetoric'

By Liz Fields

November 30, 2015


Three days after a gunman killed three people and wounded nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, politicians are publicly wrangling about whether the incident should be called an act of domestic terrorism, a debate that has focused on rambling remarks about "baby parts" the suspected shooter reportedly made to police after he was arrested.

Police have declined to speculate on the motive of alleged shooter Robert Lewis Dear, but Planned Parenthood says it has no doubt about what sparked the incident. On Monday, Joan Malin, the President and CEO of Planned Parenthood New York, said the 57-year-old Dear was driven by "dangerous" anti-abortion sentiment whipped up in the wake of a recent "sting" video controversy.

Malin linked the incident to "relentless" and "toxic" rhetoric from the organization's opponents. "[Dear's] own statement to police, in which he mentioned something about 'no more baby parts,' is exactly the same phrasing used by anti-abortion activists," she said. "The language used by our opposition has created a heightened and tense situation that has now been translated to violence. It's hard to imagine there's no link between this incident and the toxic rhetoric that ratchets up the tension."



https://news.vice.com/article/planned-p ... c-rhetoric

So I guess we should outlaw "toxic rhetoric". And you and your buddies get to decide which rhetoric is "toxic", amirite?
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Re: Masculinities of the far right

Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:12 am

Your straw man, dude.
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