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brekin wrote:I don't know why this story is resonating with me more then all the other examples of the CIA rubbing
out those who get close to telling the truth. I think maybe because of the desire that the movies could be the one arena that is still free to challenge the powers that be. A make believe reservation like your dreams.
Obviously that's not true, but I'd like to think some truth can come out even if it's cloaked and modified so much from its original that it feeds us on some level. It's just sad to think this guy was probably killed for a potentially illuminating movie that if released most people wouldn't even bother to see unless Bruce Willis was the star.
According to Wendy, Gary had become “very disturbed” by his research into Panama, especially over US weapons-testing and alleged money-laundering. He had once told her that the US had used illegal laser weapons to split a bus full of Panamanian civilians from front to back and then buried them in unmarked graves.
It is well established that the US piloted newly developed technologies such as the Stealth Fighter, the Apache Attack Helicopter and laser-guided missiles in Panama. But there also exists multiple witness testimony describing the Pentagon’s use of experimental particle beam weapons attached to military aircraft. Professor Cecilio Simon of the University of Panama describes combatants who “literally melted with their guns”, lasered automobiles, and “poison darts which produce massive bleeding”
Bruce Dazzling wrote:According to Wendy, Gary had become “very disturbed” by his research into Panama, especially over US weapons-testing and alleged money-laundering. He had once told her that the US had used illegal laser weapons to split a bus full of Panamanian civilians from front to back and then buried them in unmarked graves.
It is well established that the US piloted newly developed technologies such as the Stealth Fighter, the Apache Attack Helicopter and laser-guided missiles in Panama. But there also exists multiple witness testimony describing the Pentagon’s use of experimental particle beam weapons attached to military aircraft. Professor Cecilio Simon of the University of Panama describes combatants who “literally melted with their guns”, lasered automobiles, and “poison darts which produce massive bleeding”
The Panama Deception is a 1992 documentary film that won the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.[1] The film is critical of the actions of the US military during the 1989 invasion of Panama by the United States, covering the conflicting reasons for the invasion and the depicting of the US media as biased. It was directed by Barbara Trent of the Empowerment Project and was narrated by actress Elizabeth Montgomery.
The film asserts that the U.S. government invaded Panama primarily to renegotiate the Torrijos–Carter Treaties. Another allegation made by the film is that the United States tested some form of laser or energy weapon during the invasion. The film also includes footage of mass graves uncovered after the US troops had withdrawn, and depicts some of the 20,000 refugees who fled the invasion.
justdrew wrote:According to Wendy, Gary had become “very disturbed” by his research into Panama, especially over US weapons-testing and alleged money-laundering. He had once told her that the US had used illegal laser weapons to split a bus full of Panamanian civilians from front to back and then buried them in unmarked graves. To this day, Wendy can’t shake the memory of her husband in his dimly lit office one evening, uncharacteristically hunched at his desk, head in hands: “The deeper you look, the dirtier it gets,” he had said.
It is well established that the US piloted newly developed technologies such as the Stealth Fighter, the Apache Attack Helicopter and laser-guided missiles in Panama. But there also exists multiple witness testimony describing the Pentagon’s use of experimental particle beam weapons attached to military aircraft. Professor Cecilio Simon of the University of Panama describes combatants who “literally melted with their guns”, lasered automobiles, and “poison darts which produce massive bleeding”. Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark was outraged by the Pentagon’s “use of sophisticated weaponry merely to test it”. “Above all, though,” said Clark, “there was a use beyond any conceivable necessity of just sheer fire power… just an excessive use of force beyond any possible justification.”
Twyla LaSarc wrote:justdrew wrote:According to Wendy, Gary had become “very disturbed” by his research into Panama, especially over US weapons-testing and alleged money-laundering. He had once told her that the US had used illegal laser weapons to split a bus full of Panamanian civilians from front to back and then buried them in unmarked graves. To this day, Wendy can’t shake the memory of her husband in his dimly lit office one evening, uncharacteristically hunched at his desk, head in hands: “The deeper you look, the dirtier it gets,” he had said.
It is well established that the US piloted newly developed technologies such as the Stealth Fighter, the Apache Attack Helicopter and laser-guided missiles in Panama. But there also exists multiple witness testimony describing the Pentagon’s use of experimental particle beam weapons attached to military aircraft. Professor Cecilio Simon of the University of Panama describes combatants who “literally melted with their guns”, lasered automobiles, and “poison darts which produce massive bleeding”. Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark was outraged by the Pentagon’s “use of sophisticated weaponry merely to test it”. “Above all, though,” said Clark, “there was a use beyond any conceivable necessity of just sheer fire power… just an excessive use of force beyond any possible justification.”
I heard about this stuff in the late nineties from a former boss of mine. She had been a captain in the army during Panama. I'm guessing she left partly due to her sexuality/don't ask/tell etc., but she also seemed very disturbed by what she saw there. She wouldn't divulge detail, but she would say "We were using space-age weapons against machetes. Lasers and stuff. It was horrible and unecessary." It's kind of odd to finally be hearing some corraboration for her story after all these years...
Most people watching the news remember that in addition to the cordon of troops which surrounded the papal Nunciatura, General Stiner had directed that a sound barrier of loudspeakers surround the Nunciatura. What's not commonly known is how in the wake of a visit there on Christmas Day by General Thurman the music playing came to be.
On Christmas morning, Thurman spoke personally to Monsignor Laboa at the gate of the Nunciatura. As Thurman turned to depart a reporter from an upper floor window of the nearby Holiday Inn shouted, "Hey General Thurman, how ya doin'? Merry Christmas! Fearing that reporters could use powerful microphones to eavesdrop on delicate negotiations between Cisneros and Laboa, General Thurman ordered that a music barrier be set up around the Nunciatura. Later, as hard rock music blared around the clock, a psychological operations specialist claimed it was part of a campaign to harass Noriega.
Depicted as a form of press censorship by the media, the rock music soon aroused other critics. By 28 December, diplomats, Catholics in the United States, and Vatican officials had deplored the practice as a clumsy effort to harass Noriega that inflicted needless stress upon the papal nuncio and his staff. The President made his concern known to Secretary Cheney and General Powell."
About 1140 General Powell asked Brigadier General Meier to explain the purpose of the music. Meier repeated General Thurman's original rationale: to mask sensitive negotiations between General Cisneros and Monsignor Laboa. General Thurman, however, also justified the music as an effective psychological tool. At this point, Laboa was talking about sleeping outside the compound, and Noriega and his henchmen were becoming increasingly worried and nervous. Thurman believed that applying pressure, not only to Noriega but to his host as well, would compel Monsignor Laboa to release Noriega.
Setting up more loudspeakers
In the face of mounting public criticism and presidential concern, General Powell grew increasingly uncomfortable with the rock music at the Nunciatura. President Bush viewed the tactic as politically embarrassing and "irritating and petty." On 29 December, after returning from an NSC meeting in which he had been instructed not to "make things any more difficult or unpleasant for Monsignor Laboa than necessary," Powell told Thurman to stop the music. Rear Admiral Sheafer relayed the order to Thurman's staff and tasked the National Security Agency to provide a less provocative noise jammer to prevent the media from eavesdropping on negotiations between Cisneros and Laboa."
And that's the rest of the story on how the blaring rock music surrounding the Vatican Embassy came to be.
Twyla LaSarc wrote:justdrew wrote:According to Wendy, Gary had become “very disturbed” by his research into Panama, especially over US weapons-testing and alleged money-laundering. He had once told her that the US had used illegal laser weapons to split a bus full of Panamanian civilians from front to back and then buried them in unmarked graves. To this day, Wendy can’t shake the memory of her husband in his dimly lit office one evening, uncharacteristically hunched at his desk, head in hands: “The deeper you look, the dirtier it gets,” he had said.
It is well established that the US piloted newly developed technologies such as the Stealth Fighter, the Apache Attack Helicopter and laser-guided missiles in Panama. But there also exists multiple witness testimony describing the Pentagon’s use of experimental particle beam weapons attached to military aircraft. Professor Cecilio Simon of the University of Panama describes combatants who “literally melted with their guns”, lasered automobiles, and “poison darts which produce massive bleeding”. Former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark was outraged by the Pentagon’s “use of sophisticated weaponry merely to test it”. “Above all, though,” said Clark, “there was a use beyond any conceivable necessity of just sheer fire power… just an excessive use of force beyond any possible justification.”
I heard about this stuff in the late nineties from a former boss of mine. She had been a captain in the army during Panama. I'm guessing she left partly due to her sexuality/don't ask/tell etc., but she also seemed very disturbed by what she saw there. She wouldn't divulge detail, but she would say "We were using space-age weapons against machetes. Lasers and stuff. It was horrible and unecessary." It's kind of odd to finally be hearing some corraboration for her story after all these years...
Most people watching the news remember that in addition to the cordon of troops which surrounded the papal Nunciatura, General Stiner had directed that a sound barrier of loudspeakers surround the Nunciatura. What's not commonly known is how in the wake of a visit there on Christmas Day by General Thurman the music playing came to be.
On Christmas morning, Thurman spoke personally to Monsignor Laboa at the gate of the Nunciatura. As Thurman turned to depart a reporter from an upper floor window of the nearby Holiday Inn shouted, "Hey General Thurman, how ya doin'? Merry Christmas! Fearing that reporters could use powerful microphones to eavesdrop on delicate negotiations between Cisneros and Laboa, General Thurman ordered that a music barrier be set up around the Nunciatura. Later, as hard rock music blared around the clock, a psychological operations specialist claimed it was part of a campaign to harass Noriega.
Depicted as a form of press censorship by the media, the rock music soon aroused other critics. By 28 December, diplomats, Catholics in the United States, and Vatican officials had deplored the practice as a clumsy effort to harass Noriega that inflicted needless stress upon the papal nuncio and his staff. The President made his concern known to Secretary Cheney and General Powell."
About 1140 General Powell asked Brigadier General Meier to explain the purpose of the music. Meier repeated General Thurman's original rationale: to mask sensitive negotiations between General Cisneros and Monsignor Laboa. General Thurman, however, also justified the music as an effective psychological tool. At this point, Laboa was talking about sleeping outside the compound, and Noriega and his henchmen were becoming increasingly worried and nervous. Thurman believed that applying pressure, not only to Noriega but to his host as well, would compel Monsignor Laboa to release Noriega.
Setting up more loudspeakers
In the face of mounting public criticism and presidential concern, General Powell grew increasingly uncomfortable with the rock music at the Nunciatura. President Bush viewed the tactic as politically embarrassing and "irritating and petty." On 29 December, after returning from an NSC meeting in which he had been instructed not to "make things any more difficult or unpleasant for Monsignor Laboa than necessary," Powell told Thurman to stop the music. Rear Admiral Sheafer relayed the order to Thurman's staff and tasked the National Security Agency to provide a less provocative noise jammer to prevent the media from eavesdropping on negotiations between Cisneros and Laboa."
And that's the rest of the story on how the blaring rock music surrounding the Vatican Embassy came to be.
Michael Sands, an effusive Hollywood publicist, has died after a bizarre accident in the deli section of an upscale supermarket in Century City, where he choked to death on a sample of meat.
Best known as the brains behind Mr. Blackwell’s annual Worst Dressed List, Sands also was an inveterate self-promoter who claimed to be an undercover CIA operative who may have helped in the capture of Abu Abbas, the terrorist behind the hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise ship in 1985.
He was 66.
“He was eating a beef sample, and since he has narrow airways due to Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, it got stuck,” his son Nick told TheWrap.
After several attempts at the Heimlich maneuver failed, Sands was pronounced clinically dead on the scene for five minutes, until paramedics revived him and transported him to Cedars Sinai. There, his son said, he was placed in an induced coma to inhibit brain swelling, a common medical procedure for brain injuries.
“He was ashen, very gray and on the floor,” said Stephen Randall, deputy editor of Playboy Magazine, who witnessed the Gelson's incident but did not know Sands. "There were no signs of life. It was terrible, awful to be present, watching a guy who I assumed was dead."
A Gelson's assistant manager who also was present declined to comment; a spokeswoman for the supermarket told TheWrap, "He has been long and valued customer and out of respect to his family, we have no comment at this time."
Sands, a Boston-area native, was born Michael Shapiro on Dec. 14, 1945. His client list included Michael Reagan, the son of President Ronald Reagan; actress Kristy Swanson; and Kevin Federline, who was involved in a bitter custody battle with his ex-wife Britney Spears, who was undergoing a series of public breakdowns.
Sands also handled a lineup of Beverly Hills plastic surgeons, defense attorneys, family law practitioners and Hollywood private eyes. He also sold designer cheesecakes -- based on his own recipes and sold at several dozen franchised stores around the country.
A tireless promoter of his own career, he once appeared partially nude in carefully orchestrated photo of himself in People magazine to promote his cakes. He also appeared in TV commercials and had various roles on screen. In the late '90s he produced CelebrityDoctor.com. The website pioneered using the Internet for live screenings of face-lifts, most notably with Arabella Churchill, granddaughter of Sir Winston Churchill.
But it was Sands’ efforts to publicize an aging fashion designer, Mr. Blackwell (above) -- a fading designer of women’s clothing -- that caught the attention of the media.
“He was the consummate PR man who led a very colorful life,” Linda Deutsch, an award-winning Associated Press court reporter and a longtime friend of Sands, told TheWrap. “The high point in his career was the Worst Dressed List. It was his idea to host an elaborate breakfast at Blackwell’s elegant mansion in Hancock Park, and it gained international publicity.”
Sands death occurred on March 24, and he died on April 6, but it has not been previously reported.
Theresa Coffino, executive producer of the syndicated entertainment news show “Extra,” was another admirer of Sands, said she, like many reporters and editors who were once consumed by the pitchman’s calls, was unaware that Sands had died.
“For such a blabbermouth,” she said. “Nobody knew about what happened to him.”
Perhaps most puzzling about Sands was his frequent boasting about his role as an undercover operative for U.S. government agencies, involving law enforcement and intelligence gathering.
Sands frequently handed out trinkets from the FBI, CIA and the U.S. Navy and Air Force. Beautiful models and actresses and even secretaries were frequent recipients of official pens, shirts and even dental floss.
The AP's Deutsch claimed Sands was legitimate. “He was very tied into the military,” she told TheWrap, pointing to a court martial case at Camp Pendleton where he gained her access to military sources. “He was very effective because he know what I needed.”
And in her book “The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television," Texas Christian University professor Tricia Jenkins reported that Sands supported the CIA in establishing a presence in Hollywood in the mid-1990s.
When his client screenwriter Gary DeVore went missing in 1997, Sands theorized that his friend had been involved with government intelligence services, which may have been connected to his disappearance.
DeVore's body was eventually found submerged in the Californian aqueduct -- an apparent accident, but the tip that led to the discovery of the body came directly to Sands.
In 2011, Sands was approached by the Utah family of Wassef Ali Hassoun for a $1 million book and movie deal about the Marine corporal charged with desertion, but who allegedly faked his own kidnapping in Iraq. The deal never materialized.
But most bizarre is Sands' claim that he aided in the capture of Abu Abbas, the terrorist behind the hijacking of the Achille Lauro cruise ship in 1985.
Sands arranged for Abbas to be interviewed in Baghdad for a book and movie deal about his career as a terrorist, dangling a $1 million offer. With the help of a Romania journalist, Sands obtained Abbas’ cellphone number and gave Abbas' contact details to the FBI and CIA. U.S. Special Forces captured Abbas in 2003.
Memorial services for Sands have yet to be finalized
And in her book “The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television," Texas Christian University professor Tricia Jenkins reported that Sands supported the CIA in establishing a presence in Hollywood in the mid-1990s.
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Another chiii... warning. See 'Ronnie Chasen killed'...
1) Ronni Chasen was brought up in the Andrew Breitbart thread. It just so happens that Wall Street 2 was one of the last things she worked on...Chasen became known in Hollywood for her PR work on such films as On Golden Pond, and the second film in the Oliver Stone/Michael Douglas Wall Street movie franchise, Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps. She was pushing for Oscar recognition for Douglas in his role as the money hungry, risk averse character Gordon Gekko...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronni_Chasen
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