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barracuda wrote:As much as I enjoy "Fun Trivia", I'd hate to watch this deteriorate into another thread in which we are served up a progression of examples of hypothetical keyword psyops, or devolve into a manatee gang-bang. Guilty pleasure which that may be, I see now that it serves another purpose: to legitimatize his ideas by according them the credence of serious discussion and serious opposition, which is really not my intention.
The "Dear Owen" letters demonstrate, for me, the very difficulty which governmental interference into the workings of films runs up against - aggressively leftist creative personalities with little reason or inclination to fear the CIA, or to subjugate their vision to the "needs" of propaganda, producing films which must, above all, adhere to the bottom line of entertaining audiences enough to recoup the considerable private monies which afford their making.
It is a task which requires skill, finesse, technique and talent, not to mention considerable luck, to succeed at all,...
...none of which can in any way be assisted by the dead weight of some indiscernible bureaucratic intervention on the order of arbitrary keyword placements, color reassignments, synonym interjection, etc.
Just watch any number of the ham-handed propaganda films overtly produced by the U.S. government's Bureau of Motion Pictures, or by the studios, to understand what their limitations have been in this realm.
Funny, I don' t see any posts by you on mass psyops.
Funny, I don't see any posts by you in the Psyops and Meme Management forum which was created by Jeff just for my posts. There's just tumbleweeds there unless I'm posting.
And I've posted around 94% of the documentation of psyops on this board.
Project Willow wrote:After years of presenting art to the public I would tell you that language, like art, is interpreted according to the experiences and biases of the reader/viewer. I would say that you reveal more about yourself with this statement than you do about me.
brainpanhandler wrote:Independence Day was a godawful film and it has psyops written all over it.
I don't have smoking gun "dear Owen" letters that document that contention, but it seems inconceivable to me that the script and the casting was not directly and largely influenced by governmental agents/agencies interested in it's social engineering/propaganda/psyops purposes.
I mention it though not so much to make that point which I cannot support with actual evidence but rather to counter the idea that a "godawful film", as evaluated by me on it's artistic merit, can nonetheless be momumentally "successful" at the box office, which is a point that I am sure you'll readily concede. In other words they might not be great film makers, but they don't have to be.
Really? I mean, certainly, I can easily conceive the script and casting being directly and largely influenced by governmental agents/agencies interested in it's social engineering/propaganda/psyops purposes.
An offer they couldn't refuse
The CIA is often credited with 'advice' on Hollywood films, but no one is truly sure about the extent of its shadowy involvement. Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham investigate
Everyone who watches films knows about Hollywood's fascination with spies. From Hitchcock's postwar espionage thrillers, through cold war tales such as Torn Curtain, into the paranoid 1970s when the CIA came to be seen as an agency out of control in films such as Three Days of the Condor, and right to the present, with the Bourne trilogy and Ridley Scott's forthcoming Body of Lies, film-makers have always wanted to get in bed with spies. What's less widely known is how much the spies have wanted to get in bed with the film-makers. In fact, the story of the CIA's involvement in Hollywood is a tale of deception and subversion that would seem improbable if it were put on screen.
The model for this is the defence department's "open" but barely publicised relationship with Hollywood. The Pentagon, for decades, has offered film-makers advice, manpower and even hardware - including aircraft carriers and state-of-the-art helicopters. All it asks for in exchange is that the US armed forces are made to look good. So in a previous Scott film, Black Hawk Down, a character based on a real-life soldier who had also been a child rapist lost that part of his backstory when he came to the screen.
No matter how seemingly craven Hollywood's behaviour towards the US armed forces has seemed, it has at least happened within the public domain. That cannot be said for the CIA's dealings with the movie business. Not until 1996 did the CIA announce, with little fanfare, that it had established an Entertainment Liaison Office, which would collaborate in a strictly advisory capacity with film-makers. Heading up the office was Chase Brandon, who had served for 25 years in the agency's elite clandestine services division, as an undercover operations officer. A PR man he isn't, though he does have Hollywood connections: he's a cousin of Tommy Lee Jones.
But the past 12 years of semi-acknowledged collaboration were preceded by decades in which the CIA maintained a deep-rooted but invisible influence of Hollywood. How could it be otherwise? As the former CIA man Bob Baer - whose books on his time with the agency were the basis for Syriana - told us: "All these people that run studios - they go to Washington, they hang around with senators, they hang around with CIA directors, and everybody's on board."
There is documentary evidence for his claims. Luigi Luraschi was the head of foreign and domestic censorship for Paramount in the early 1950s. And, it was recently discovered, he was also working for the CIA, sending in reports about how film censorship was being employed to boost the image of the US in movies that would be seen abroad. Luraschi's reports also revealed that he had persuaded several film-makers to plant "negroes" who were "well-dressed" in their movies, to counter Soviet propaganda about poor race relations in the States. The Soviet version was rather nearer the truth.
Luraschi's activities were merely the tip of the iceberg. Graham Greene, for example, disowned the 1958 adapatation of his Vietnam-set novel The Quiet American, describing it as a "propaganda film for America". In the title role, Audie Murphy played not Greene's dangerously ambiguous figure - whose belief in the justice of American foreign policy allows him to ignore the appalling consequences of his actions - but a simple hero. The cynical British journalist, played by Michael Redgrave, is instead the man whose moral compass has gone awry. Greene's American had been based in part on the legendary CIA operative in Vietnam, Colonel Edward Lansdale. How apt, then, that it should have been Lansdale who persuaded director Joseph Mankewiecz to change the script to suit his own ends.
The CIA didn't just offer guidance to film-makers, however. It even offered money. In 1950, the agency bought the rights to George Orwell's Animal Farm, and then funded the 1954 British animated version of the film. Its involvement had long been rumoured, but only in the past decade have those rumours been substantiated, and the tale of the CIA's role told in Daniel Leab's book Orwell Subverted.
The most common way for the CIA to exert influence in Hollywood nowadays is not through anything as direct as funding, or rewriting scripts, but offering to help with matters of verisimilitude. That is done by having serving or former CIA agents acting as advisers on the film, though some might wonder whether there is ever really such a thing a "former agent". As ex-CIA agent Lindsay Moran, the author of Blowing My Cover, has noted, the CIA often calls on former officers to perform tasks for their old employer.
So it was no problem for CBS to secure official help when making its 2001 TV series The Agency (it was even written by a former agent). Langley was equally helpful to the novelist Tom Clancy, who was invited to CIA headquarters after the publication of The Hunt for Red October, an invitation that was regularly repeated. Consequently, when Clancy's The Sum of All Fears was filmed in 2002, the agency was happy to bring its makers to Langley for a personal tour of headquarters, and to offer access to agency analysts for star Ben Affleck. When filming began, Brandon was on set to advise - a role he repeated during the filming of glamorous television series Alias.
The former agent Milt Beardon took the advisory role on two less action-packed attempts at espionage stories: Robert De Niro's The Good Shepherd from 2006, which told an approximate version of the story of the famed CIA head of counter-espionage, James Jesus Angleton; and Charlie Wilson's War, the story of US covert efforts to supply the Afghan mujahideen with weaponry during the Soviet occupation of the 80s. In reality, this was a story that ended badly, as the Afghan freedom fighters helped give birth to the terrorists of al-Qaida. In the movie, however, that was not the case. As Beardon - who had been the CIA man responsible for the weapons reaching the Afghans - observed shortly before the movie came out, the film would "put aside the notion that because we did that [supply arms], we had 9/11".
Beardon's remark provides a clue to the real reason the CIA likes to offer advice to Hollywood, a clue that was expanded on by Paul Kelbaugh, the former associate general counsel to the CIA - a very senior figure in Langley. In 2007, Kelbaugh spoke at Lynchburg College of Law in Virginia - where he had become an associate professor - about the CIA's relationship with Hollywood. A journalist present at the lecture (who now wishes to be anonymous) reported that Kelbaugh spoke about the 2003 Al Pacino/Colin Farrell vehicle The Recruit. A CIA agent had been on set as a "consultant" throughout the shoot, he said; his real job, however, was to misdirect the film-makers. "We didn't want Hollywood getting too close to the truth," the journalist quoted Kelbaugh as saying.
Peculiarly, though, in a strongly worded email to us, Kelbaugh emphatically denied having said such a thing, and said he remembered "very specific discussions with senior [CIA] management that no one was ever to misrepresent to affect [film] content - EVER." The journalist stands by the original report, and Kelbaugh has refused to discuss the matter further.
So, altering scripts, financing films, suppressing the truth - it's worrying enough. But there are cases where some believe the CIA's activities in Hollywood have gone further - far enough, in fact, to be the stuff of movies. In June 1997, the screenwriter Gary DeVore was working on the screenplay for his directorial debut. It was to be an action movie set against the backdrop of the US invasion of Panama in 1989, which led to the overthrow of dictator Manuel Noriega. According to his wife, Wendy, DeVore had been talking to an old friend - the CIA's Chase Brandon - about Noriega's regime and US counternarcotic programmes in Latin America. Wendy told CNN: "He had been very disturbed over some of the things that he had been finding in his research. He was researching the United States invasion of Panama, because he was setting the actual story that he was writing against this; and the overthrow of Noriega and the enormous amounts of money laundering in the Panamanian banks, also our own government's money laundering."
At the end of that month, DeVore had been in Santa Fe, New Mexico, working on another project. He was travelling back to California when, at 1.15am on June 28, he called Wendy, a call she says has been excised from phone records. She told CNN she was "terribly alarmed" because he was speaking as though he were under duress. She was sure "someone was in the car with him". That was the last time Wendy DeVore heard from her husband.
A year passed, but the case refused to die and speculation mounted. Even the Los Angeles Times began contemplating CIA involvement. DeVore was presumed dead, but there was no body, and no end to the questions. Lo and behold, just nine days after the LA Times reported the case, DeVore's body was found, decomposing in his Ford Explorer, in 12 feet of water in the California Aqueduct below the Antelope Valley Freeway, south of Palmdale - a city located in "aerospace valley", so dubbed by locals for its reputation as a US military-industrial-complex stronghold - fuel to the fire for conspiracy theorists.
The coroner went on to declare the cause and manner of DeVore's death to be "unknown", but police eventually reached the tentative conclusion that the screenwriter's death was an accident: he had fallen asleep at the wheel, they said, before careening off the highway and into the water, where he drowned. But loose ends remain: DeVore's laptop computer containing his unfinished script was missing from his vehicle, as was the gun he customarily carried on long trips; after his disappearance, a CIA representative allegedly showed up at DeVore's house to request access to his computer; Hollywood private investigator Don Crutchfield noted that previous drafts of DeVore's script were inexplicably wiped from said computer during the same timeframe; police claimed that DeVore's vehicle careened off the highway, yet DeVore's widow was troubled by the absence of visible damage to the guardrail at the scene of the alleged accident; and how come no one noticed an SUV sitting in the water beneath a busy highway for a whole year? Perhaps the whole incident is too like a conspiracy movie to be a real conspiracy - but many remain troubled by De Vore's death.
Despite the CIA's professed desire to be more open about the role it plays in Holly-wood, it's hard to take its newfound transparency too seriously. After all, what use is a covert agency that does not act covertly, even if some of its activities are public? And if it is still not open about the truth of events decades ago, many of which have spilled into the public domain accidently, how can we be sure it is telling the truth about its activities now? The spy may have come in from the cold, but he still finds shelter in the dark of the cinema.
brainpanhandler wrote:I don't think that's giving the reader enough credit.
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:> Presidente Evo Morales? Another left-winger in Monroe Doctrine South America?
> Father Frank Morales? Project Censored award-winner for articles on urban police militarization and REX 84 martial law? Then at the center of the controversial deaths of CIA-exposing Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake?
Gee, what is CIA-Hollywood going to do about this double liability named "Morales?" Double or nothing, that's what.
Hijack it and link it to the capitalist insult, RED.
From the CIA-NYTimes-
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/arts/ ... .html?_r=1ARTS, BRIEFLY
A New Role for Molina
Compiled by CAROL VOGEL
Published: July 25, 2010
He was Mark Rothko, the tortured artist, in the Tony-winning play “Red,” which ended its Broadway run last month. Now Alfred Molina will be the one torturing others. The British actor is joining the cast of the new “Law & Order: Los Angeles” as Deputy District Attorney Morales. (The show will have its premiere in the fall, though a specific start date — and the first name of Molina’s character — have not been announced, according to The Associated Press.) While the original “Law & Order” ended its 20-year run in May, “Law & Order: Los Angeles” will join other spinoffs in the series that are still being produced, “Law & Order: Special Victims Unit” and “Law & Order: Criminal Intent.”
The Lies Are Out There: Is Hollywood's love affair with aliens based simply on its desire to make money, or has it been used by the US government and military for their own mysterious ends?
[aka "The Deep Politics of Hollywood: Close Encounters with the Pentagon"]
by Robbie Graham and Matthew Alford / July 2009
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/ar ... there.html
Perception Management: Past and Present
Bizarrely – and for reasons not entirely clear – the U.S. government has taken a keen interest in Hollywood’s flying saucer movies since the early days of the phenomenon. Official efforts to debunk UFOs through media channels originated with the CIA-sponsored Robertson Panel which, in 1953, decided that public excitement about flying saucers should be actively discouraged. The panel recommended “That the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the… aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired,” and that this should “be accomplished by mass media such as television [and] motion pictures...” with specific reference to Walt Disney.i
Unambiguous evidence for the Robertson Panel's covert impact on media representations of UFOs is found in the CBS TV broadcast of UFOs: Friend, Foe, or Fantasy? (1966), a documentary narrated by Walter Cronkite. In a personal letter addressed to former Robertson Panel Secretary Frederick C. Durant, Dr Thornton Page confides that he “helped organize the CBS TV show around the Robertson Panel conclusions,”ii even though this was thirteen years later and despite the fact that he was personally sympathetic to the existence of flying saucers.
Government concern over, or involvement in, UFO movies continues to be evidenced in more modern Hollywood productions. Take, for example, the 1996 alien invasion blockbuster Independence Day, which, despite its proud championing of American values and leadership, was denied cooperation from the Department of Defense (DoD) due in large part to a plotline concerning Area 51 (a super-secret military facility in the Nevada desert long rumoured to be the testing ground for captured extraterrestrial technologies) and the so-called ‘Roswell Incident.’ The Pentagon specifically requested that “any government connection” to Area 51 or to Roswell be eliminated from the film – a request apparently based on the ridiculous assumption that both the Roswell Incident and Area 51 were not already known to half of America.iii
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Holloman Air Base and the Alien Carrot
Interestingly, echoes of Emenegger’s deal with the Department of Defense would resound decades later in the production of the aforementioned Transformers (2007) when director Michael Bay was granted the rare privilege of shooting scenes of his alien movie at the Pentagon. The DoD even threw open the gates to Holloman Air Force Base – the highly sensitive location of the alleged alien landing described to Emenegger (and it would do so again for the Transformers sequel). To this day, the only two Hollywood filmmakers to have been granted access to Holloman are Emenegger and Bay – both of whose films dealt with the subject of alien visitation – and this in flat contradiction to the DoD’s policy as stated to other filmmakers that it will not work with UFO-related productions because “UFOs do not exist.”
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Disney and the Aliens
Intriguing testimony along these lines came from Oscar-winning Disney animator Ward Kimball. Kimball was best known for bringing to life beloved Disney characters such as Jiminy Cricket, The Cheshire Cat and The Mad Hatter, and for redesigning Mickey Mouse in 1938. He also worked as Directing Animator on the Disney classics like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1938), Pinocchio (1940), and Fantasia (1940).
In 1979, Kimball claimed that in the mid-1950s the USAF had approached Walt Disney himself to request his cooperation on a documentary about UFOs that would help acclimatise the American public to the reality of extraterrestrials. Even more intriguing was that, in exchange for his cooperation, the USAF would apparently supply Disney with real UFO footage for exclusive use in his documentary. According to Kimball, Disney accepted the deal and began work immediately on the USAF project, which would not have been unusual considering Disney’s established relationship with the U.S. government (during WWII Disney made approximately 80 propaganda shorts for the military).
While Disney waited patiently for the USAF to provide the UFO footage, his animators produced conceptual designs of what an alien might look like. Predictably, the offer of the UFO footage was eventually withdrawn, provoking Kimball to challenge the official military liaison for the project, a USAF Colonel who told Kimball that “there was indeed plenty of UFO footage, but that neither [he], nor anyone else was going to get access to it.”xii Needless to say, the project was abandoned and forgotten by all but the few who had worked on it.
The Glittering Robes of Entertainment
In connection with research she was conducting for a UFO documentary in 1983, Emmy award winning filmmaker and journalist Linda Moulton Howe was told by government sources that the 1951 version of The Day the Earth Stood Still, which depicted an alien landing in Washington D.C., was, in her words, “inspired by the CIA,” and “one of the first government tests of public reaction to such an event.”xiii As farfetched as this may seem, the screenwriter for The Day the Earth Stood Still, Edmund H. North, was actively serving as a Major in the Army Signal Corps just months before being selected by 20th Century Fox to pen the script. During his time in the Corps, North had been in charge of “training and educational” documentaries, and later established himself as a Hollywood scribe of patriotic war films including Sink the Bismark! (1960) and Submarine X-1 (1968), as well as Patton (1970), for which he received an Oscar – all of which raises the possibility that he maintained an official or quasi-official role in the government’s cinematic propaganda campaigns throughout his career.
The man responsible for overseeing the production of The Day the Earth Stood Still – 20th Century Fox production chief Darryl Zanuck – was himself in charge of an Army Signal Corps documentary unit during the Second World Warxiv and said that, “If you have something worth while to say, dress it up in the glittering robes of entertainment and you will find a ready market… without entertainment, no propaganda film is worth a dime.”xv
Reel Power: Hollywood Cinema and American Supremacy, Pluto Press, 2010.
http://www.plutobooks.com/display.asp?K=9780745329826&
PART ONE: CONTROLLING THE DREAM FACTORY
1 Hollywood Screened
2 Hollywood Deactivated
PART TWO: POWER PROJECTED
3 War Films
4 Comedies
5 Action Adventure
6 Science Fiction
7 Political Drama
8 The Low Budget Battlefield
PART THREE: REEL VIOLENCE
9 Conclusions
Endnotes
Filmography
Index
* Robbie Graham and Matthew Alford, "Spielberg's Saucer Secrets", Filmfax: The Magazine of Unusual Film and Television, July 2010.
* Robbie Graham and Matthew Alford, "District 9 is lucky to have avoided a close encounter with the Pentagon" Guardian online, September 4th 2009.
* Robbie Graham and Matthew Alford, "The Lies Are Out There", Fortean Times, July 2009.
* Robbie Graham and Matthew Alford, "The Power Behind the Screen", New Statesman, January 29th, 2009.
* Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham, "An Offer They Couldn't Refuse", Guardian, November 14, 2008.
* Matthew Alford, "Noam Chomsky, Comedian?", Chortle, January 21st 2008.
* Scott Lucas interviewed by Matthew Alford, "Celebrating Dissent: Scholarship and Politics in the New American Century", 49th Parallel: An Interdisciplinary Journal of North American Studies, Issue 13, Spring 2004.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... Journalism
barracuda wrote:If this thread is any indication, it would seem there are still a large contingent of people on the board that consider keyword hijacking analysis and the accompanying search engine research technique to be a valid method of revealing hidden psyops, even though it has been demonstrated here that there is no documentation whatsoever which can verify that such a method has ever been used for propaganda purposes by the CIA or operatives of the US government.
barracuda wrote:I think there are similarities, matrixdutch, a significant distinction being the quantity and quality of information Hugh brings here regarding virtually every other aspect of the subject but this one. Adachi is pure stream of consciousness entrail reading, while Hugh's flavor is generally leavened with the reality of US government psyops. Hugh considers Goro to be a "random woo".
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