Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

[Grizzly]

'Going back into the pot': The Pentagon admits to a stunning $6.2 billion accounting error — which means it can now provide even more aid to Ukraine. Here's exactly what happened
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/going-back-pot-pentagon-just-154400833.html

YEAH, AND FUCK THE WORKING CLASS!

[Belligerent Savant]

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Glenn Greenwald Retweeted
System Update
@SystemUpdate_

Almost every Dem—along w/ the ever-radical @BernieSanders — just voted against the most basic oversight on this aid, going so far as to invoke the "racist" filibuster to block it

Other than deliberately deceiving the public, what could possibly be the motive for less transparency & accountability?

https://rumble.com/v32z8nu-system

There is essentially no oversight on the billions in weapons & funding the US is funneling into Ukraine.

And like in every other US war, it is likely just a matter of time before we go to war against groups armed with our own "misplaced" weapons from this conflict.

https://twitter.com/SystemUpdate_/statu ... 50369?s=20

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald

Bernie Sanders joined every Senate Dem except 2 (Ossoff and Tester) in voting NO on an amendment to appoint an Inspector General to provide oversight and supervision on the billions of dollars the US is sending to Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe.

Failed 51-48.

Michael Tracey
@mtracey

Once again the Senate rejected a proposal to establish a lead Inspector General to oversee Ukraine spending and enhance legislative oversight. This wasn't some "isolationist" measure: it was introduced by hardcore GOP hawks Wicker and Kennedy. But the Dems still all voted it down

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1 ... 88775?s=20

[Grizzly]

https://noagendasocial.com/@Nazareno/110936289658845167

This was a highly attended weapons trade show, specializing in drones. There was a bunch of small and medium drone makers/developers, weapons dealers, cryptographer (drone data needs to be encrypted) including specialist team from the Baltics, and a HELL OF A LOT of NATO brass, Generals, decision makers.
This is the first Robot War
RF won this war with cheap drones. US/NATO are way behind trying to catch up to the tech

[DrEvil]

Aaaand Prigozhin and the founder of Wagner are dead in a plane crash along with eight others. Took longer than I expected.

[JackRiddler]

Unconfirmed footage shows plane falling nose-first for miles. Me, I expected he'd get a poison dinner in Minsk or Petersburg and die of "natural causes," but that probably shows I've been softened by the novichok propaganda. Real Russian assassinations be hardcore. Remember Lebed? Helicopters, planes, car bombs, just riddle some guy and his escort with bullets in the street. I can see why Putin prefers to avoid planes at this point. Will they blame it on Kiev? (For once, I'd not believe it.) Anyway, by tomorrow the Western propaganda will be telling us Prigozhin was a big hero and a secret democrat.

[drstrangelove]

Unconfirmed footage shows plane falling nose-first for miles. Me, I expected he'd get a poison dinner in Minsk or Petersburg and die of "natural causes," but that probably shows I've been softened by the novichok propaganda. Real Russian assassinations be hardcore. Remember Lebed? Helicopters, planes, car bombs, just riddle some guy and his escort with bullets in the street. I can see why Putin prefers to avoid planes at this point. Will they blame it on Kiev? (For once, I'd not believe it.) Anyway, by tomorrow the Western propaganda will be telling us Prigozhin was a big hero and a secret democrat.

seems putin was waiting for an opportunity to cut the head off the Wagner snake with a single strike. other passengers included:
- Dmitry Utkin (Wagner Commander, second in command behind Prigozhin)
- Valery Chekalov (Head of Wagner Security)
- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... shed-plane

whoever lulled these Wagner goons into the false sense of security required for them to all get on the same plane deserves a new dacha. this was clean, the head comes straight off the body. they really must've believed they were indispensable, which is strange because mercenary groups are led by money, not personal loyalty or ideology. you have to assume they understood this when recruiting rapists from prison. they must have for some other reason believed they had contingency. but what?

i'm probably over thinking this. what kind of dumbfucks would even attempt what they attempted in the first place.

[Wombaticus Rex]

i'm probably over thinking this. what kind of dumbfucks would even attempt what they attempted in the first place.

For the scant nothing it is likely worth, a longtime research buddy of mine with a mixed geopol track record that does include some remarkable hits firmly believes the entire Wagner revolt was a kayfabe move to get those assets out of Ukraine and into Africa to kick the commodity supercycle wars off in earnest. Ukraine is simply a matter of holding & attrition now. He also believes that yesterday's assassination was a US/NATO hit that was enacted, either by bomb or by sabotage, on an airstrip in Mali prior to entering Russian airspace.

Just to amplify the hermeneutics of paranoia, I proposed that the assassination itself never happened and they're all hard at work on the ground in Mali.

[JackRiddler]

None of these options are to be ruled out.

It's obvious what's likeliest. Not a good look to do it this prominently and in Russia, near Moscow, but since when in Russia were appearances more important than results? As pointed out above, it's a full leadership decapitation.

[stickdog99]

i'm probably over thinking this. what kind of dumbfucks would even attempt what they attempted in the first place.

For the scant nothing it is likely worth, a longtime research buddy of mine with a mixed geopol track record that does include some remarkable hits firmly believes the entire Wagner revolt was a kayfabe move to get those assets out of Ukraine and into Africa to kick the commodity supercycle wars off in earnest. Ukraine is simply a matter of holding & attrition now. He also believes that yesterday's assassination was a US/NATO hit that was enacted, either by bomb or by sabotage, on an airstrip in Mali prior to entering Russian airspace.

Just to amplify the hermeneutics of paranoia, I proposed that the assassination itself never happened and they're all hard at work on the ground in Mali.

Mali or Maui?

[drstrangelove]

For the scant nothing it is likely worth, a longtime research buddy of mine with a mixed geopol track record that does include some remarkable hits firmly believes the entire Wagner revolt was a kayfabe move to get those assets out of Ukraine and into Africa to kick the commodity supercycle wars off in earnest.

I think the revolt was a reaction to the manufacturing of the war itself. russian air force was bombing positions along the frontline held by wagner forces to help with the optical illusion ukraine can perhaps eventually win the war. leaders of wagner, who are obviously not in on this, were able to get the support of their troops to takeover the russian air force bases bombing them, because the troops were obviously the ones getting bombed and it was in their best interest to do this. but when they got there wagner leadership was like "lets keep going to moscow"(which is the only part of my theory which doesn't make sense - hence why i've had to attribute this to wagner leaders being dumbfucks). putin's authority was legitimately brought into question by wagner leadership, a fact he acknowledged when he was forced to address the nation. there's no coming back from that. it was the only time during this war putin actually appeared weak, even though it was dealt with swiftly.

i'm open to the possibility it was some dyncorp engineer wearing a fake mustache on the tarmac, but i'm sure the russian airforce were more than happy to just shoot that plane out of the air. larry mcdonald style.

Not a good look to do it this prominently and in Russia, near Moscow

i think it is a good look. it appeases the russian airforce who wagner cucked as everyone thinks they shot it down. people know but they don't know - like with a mafia hit. the message is sent but no one openly acknowledges it. adds a powerful pinch of paranoia to what is, at least intuitively obvious. but it never becomes a known thing which sticks in people's heads. if it was a commonly acknowledged thing that people who cross putin get shot down in planes, do the wagner leadership group even get on the same one in the first place? i'm sure they were watching what they ate or drank, not what they were traveling in.

i'm happy to side with western corporate media on this one. it's cathartic to go with the flow for once instead of swimming upstream ceaselessly.

[Joe Hillshoist]

i'm probably over thinking this. what kind of dumbfucks would even attempt what they attempted in the first place.

For the scant nothing it is likely worth, a longtime research buddy of mine with a mixed geopol track record that does include some remarkable hits firmly believes the entire Wagner revolt was a kayfabe move to get those assets out of Ukraine and into Africa to kick the commodity supercycle wars off in earnest. Ukraine is simply a matter of holding & attrition now. He also believes that yesterday's assassination was a US/NATO hit that was enacted, either by bomb or by sabotage, on an airstrip in Mali prior to entering Russian airspace.

Just to amplify the hermeneutics of paranoia, I proposed that the assassination itself never happened and they're all hard at work on the ground in Mali.

Your mates take seems like a reasonable take over all. Altho the footage of the plane looks like footage of a plane that has been shot down, not sabotaged or had a bomb planted. I guess a small bomb could be enough to make a plane unable to fly or maintain level heading tho.

Within hours of the incident another push by the Ukrainians took place in their stalled offensive. That could have been co ordinated with a Ukraine/Nato hit. That does make some sense.

My first thought was they're still alive too.

[Harvey]

...leaving the empire stranded upon its own hubris.

[drstrangelove]

Commander of Russian Air Defence Forces which protect Moscow arrested for bribery

- https://www.yahoo.com/news/commander-ru ... 42166.html

Obviously has nothing to do with bribery.

[Grizzly]

'Biden' (quotes intentional) grants Sec of State authority to give Ukraine money regardless of what Congress decides.

That ol' Patriot Act is sure working out swell ain't it?
https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1 ... XUhLw&s=19

They do what they want anyway...

[JackRiddler]

1. Guess this thread missed last week's online sensation, the American spokesperson for the Ukrainian armed forces doing a D-movie Bond villain psycho schtick promising to murder an unnamed targeted "pro-Russian" journalist somewhere outside the country. Ashton-Cirillo actually got fired for it a few days later, apparently because of Republicans badgering about it during Zelensky's latest DC trip to beg for money and missiles.
https://twitter.com/solyluna196/status/ ... 3699352661

2. From the lead neocon propagandist for the war of aggression against Iraq, a commercial out of Starship Troopers, set to air during tomorrow's Sunday US news shows. It's all good, because the troopers are another country's dead. Destroying the world for less than a hundred billion dollars. What a fucking bargain!
https://twitter.com/EvangelosNikos/stat ... 7366081654

3. Things really do change over time, or is it more often the case that we set off in a direction and eventually arrive where we were heading? But I didn't expect a joyous public rehabilitation of the literal NSDAP regime, of Operation Barbarossa itself! Reagan laying a wreath at a Wehrmacht military cemetary in Bitburg in 1985, forty years after WWII, caused even the US corporate media to turn on him, for first time in his presidency. Almost forty years after that, the Canadian parliament gives a standing ovation to a Waffen SS veteran of the Galicia volunteers ("First Ukrainian Army") because he "fought Russians." No controversy! Not yet, anyway. Historical memory = doomed.
https://twitter.com/EvangelosNikos/stat ... 9841031259