Dang, what is it with pig farmers?

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Dang, what is it with pig farmers?

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:13 pm

I had a relative of a relative by marriage whose wife killed him (for good reason), cut him up, from what I heard, fed his parts to his pigs.

Now there's this story about a pig farmer in Canada:

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(AP) An accused serial killer allegedly confessed to killing 49 women and intended to murder one more to make it an even 50, a prosecutor told jurors Monday during opening arguments of his trial.

Robert William Pickton has been charged with 26 counts of first-degree murder. He has pleaded not guilty to the first six counts in what is expected to be the most macabre and lengthy murder trial in Canadian history.

The 56-year-old pig farmer is charged with murdering the women, most of whom vanished from Vancouver's impoverished Downtown Eastside neighborhood in the 1990s.

The first trial covers the murders of Sereena Abotsway, Mona Wilson, Andrea Joesbury, Brenda Wolfe, Georgina Papin and Marnie Frey, and is expected to last a year.

Hundreds of people began lining up before dawn outside the small courthouse in the Vancouver suburb of New Westminster, vying for the 50 seats in the courtroom.

A judge warned jurors to expect testimony "as bad as a horror movie" during the trial, and some of those shocking details came immediately.

Prosecutor Derrill Prevett said the government would prove that Pickton murdered the six, cut up their remains, and disposed of them. He told the jury that as a successful pig farmer, Pickton had the expertise, the equipment and the means to dispose of them.

When police first went to the farm to investigate in 2002, they found two skulls in a bucket in a freezer in Pickton's mobile home. DNA tests would later identify them as those of Abotsway and Joesbury.

"The heads of the individuals had been cut in two, vertically," Prevett said. "With the skulls were left and right hands and the front parts of the left and right feet."

He said both skulls had wounds caused by 22-caliber bullets. He said investigators found a Smith & Wesson rifle in the laundry room of Pickton's home.

Jurors sat in rapt attention, but the initial details caused some relatives of the victims to cry and leave the courtroom.

British Columbia Supreme Court Justice James Williams, who is presiding, ruled that the other charges will be heard in a later trial so as not to overburden the jury.

Evidence presented in more than a year of preliminary hearings, which has been under a publication ban, has been so gruesome that some reporters have sought psychological counseling.

Under the ban, details of the case have remained off limits to the media. Williams ruled earlier this week, however, that the ban on courtroom testimony would be lifted on Monday because neither the defense nor prosecution has objected.

If found guilty of more than 14 charges, Pickton would become the worst convicted killer in Canadian history, after Marc Lepine who gunned down 14 women at the Ecole Polytechnic in Montreal in 1989 before shooting himself.

It is believed that Pickton, who was arrested in February 2002, lured women to his family's 17-acre pig farm outside Vancouver in Port Coquitlam.

Sarah de Vries is among the women in the second set of murder charges against Pickton. A 1995 entry in her diary revealed the prostitute was aware of the dangers she faced working the streets of Downtown Eastside.

"Am I next?" she wrote. "Is he watching me now? Is he stalking me like a predator and his prey? Waiting, waiting for some perfect spot, time or my stupid mistake."

After Pickton was arrested and the first traces of DNA of some missing women were allegedly found on the farm, the buildings were razed and the province spent an estimated $61 million to sift through acres of soil at the farm.

Health officials then issued a tainted-meat advisory to neighbors who may have bought pork from the Pickton farm, concerned the meat may have contained human remains.

It was not the first time Pickton has appeared before a judge. He was charged with attempted murder and unlawful confinement in 1997 in the case of sex worker Wendy Lynn Eistetter. She claimed she had been handcuffed and attacked at the farm, but Pickton countered he acted in self-defense and for reasons that remain unclear, the charges were dropped.

The prosecution is expected to call about 240 witnesses.

Pickton sat for pretrial hearings in a specially built defendant's box surrounded by bulletproof glass. Clean-shaven with a bald crown and shoulder-length hair, he has occasionally chuckled to himself or scribbled in a notebook.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and Vancouver police have come under intense criticism by community activists and advocates for sex trade workers who claim authorities were slow to search for the missing women. Authorities countered that their resources were limited and the magnitude of the case overwhelming.

A police task force says it has located at least 102 women who were believed to be missing. Another 67 women remain on the list, as well as three unidentified DNA profiles from the Pickton farm.

Frey's mother, Lynn, was lined up with other relatives outside the courthouse early Monday, hoping to get one of the 35 seats reserved for family members of the victims.

"It's been a long haul," she told The Associated Press. Her daughter was 25 when she disappeared from the Downtown Eastside neighborhood in August 1997. "I need answers, then hopefully I can carry on with my journey and my life, and let Marnie be at rest."
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Postby greencrow0 » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:39 pm

chiggerbit.

that pig farm is just a couple of kilometers from my home. I have driven by it many times.

Everybody in my community has stories to tell about 'Piggies Palace' the dance hall the Pictons ran during the 1980's.

Should be an interesting trial. My gut feeling [no pun intended] is that Willie did not act alone.

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Postby streeb » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:28 pm

My gut feeling [no pun intended] is that Willie did not act alone.


Yep- there's lots of rumours about that, and the HA keeps coming up; the suggestion being that Pickton's farm was a dumping ground for organized crime. Shortly after his arrest, there was also a rumour of a connection to the Green River Killer, and indeed, Pickton was nabbed not too long after Ridgeway. That rumour died down, however. I hope the press ban is lifted; this trial deserves some transparency because the City and the police have much to answer for about the ever-worsening situation in Vancouver's downtown eastside.

The press conference held by the VPD, concerning the 'contamination' of meat processed at that farm, was one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:30 pm

I often wondered about who ate those pigs who ate the relative. Seem to remember something about an indigenous tribe in South America who cannibalize the bodies of loved ones who have died, on the theory that it gave the loved ones "everlasting life". Pigs and humans are pretty close, right? Maybe that works. Hope not in the relative's case, though. :shock:
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Re: pig keepers in ancient Ireland

Postby Iroquois » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:41 pm

Perhaps there is no direct relevance to modern pig farmers, but it is interesting to me that in ancient Ireland pig keepers were considered powerful and fearsome magicians. The greatest epic of the early Irish literature is The T`ain which begins as a contest between two pig keepers.

Rucht and Friuch were their names when they were pig-keepers; Ingen and Eitte, Talon and Wing, when they were two birds of prey; Bleed and Blood, Whale and Seabeast, when they were two undersea creatures; Rinn and Faebur, Point and Edge, when they were two warriors; Sc`ath and Sciath, Shadow and Shield, when they were two phantoms; and Cruinniuc and Tuinniuc when they were two maggots. Finnbennach Ai, the White, and Donn Cuailnge, the Brown, were their names when they were two bulls.

URL: http://web.ncf.ca/dc920/tain.html

This connection actually struck me when I fist saw Snatch.
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Postby philipacentaur » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:02 pm

Pigs and humans are pretty close, right?


There's a cannibal tribe that refers to human flesh as "long-pig".
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:10 pm

I suppose there are worse things than being eaten by a pig:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:00 am

Whew, quite a link. This is just one of the names on the list:

http://www.greatdreams.com/serial-killer.htm

"....Belle Gunness (14+)A deadly gold digger, Belle lured wealthy Chicago men to her house with classified adds. There she would rob and kill them with the help of Ray Lamphere. The original Lady Bluebeard, Belle's criminal career started with the accidental deaths of her first two husbands and two of her children. Coincidentally, with each death she collected insurance money which kept her afloat until her next rash of bad luck.

After settling in La Porte, Indiana, she started her deadly "lonely-hearts" venture. On April 28, 1908, her house was leveled by fire. Ray, her farm hand and presumed lover, was arrested and accused of arson and the murder of Belle and her children. Ray said that the female body found in the embers was not Belle. The body was missing a skull but next to it they found Belle's dentures. Apparently she had faked her own death and escaped with a bag full of money. As investigators started digging up the ranch they found plenty of human bones and dismembered bodies wrapped in gunny sacks and doused with lye. Many of Belle's suitors had been fed to the pigs accounting for the numerous bone fragments found in and around the pig pen. Estimates of her murderous habits put her at fifty to a hundred hits. We've chosen to count only her proven kills. After disappearing, Belle was spotted many times throughout the country. Authorities believe that she was last seen in a bordello in Ohio in 1935....."
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Postby greencrow0 » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:06 am

With typical Canadian black humour....the Picton story plays on in the suburbs of Vancouver.

The Pig Farm, now sits as an isolated unhabitated piece of barren land, stripped of all buildings, surrounded by a brand new housing development and accross the street from a very busy shopping centre and Costco....

Willie's brother Dave wants to have this piece of land re-zoned back into farmland so he can bring a herd of cattle to graze on it...

He is having a battle with town hall and the re-zoning committee to do just that. He has already had the land re-zoned as farming from development...trying to avoid the higher taxes that goes with having it zoned for development.

The Province should buy the land and put a park and memorial on it to commemorate the lost women...but that's another chapter in the story, I suppose.

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Postby Telexx » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:44 pm

The five cloned piglets - Noel, Angel, Star, Joy and Mary - have been genetically modified so humans will not reject their internal organs. This opens up the possibility of pig to human transplants, which may save the lives of many seriously ill people.


More here: horizontal humans

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Postby Occult Means Hidden » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:49 pm

ok. what is most creepy is that those pigs who ate pieces of people were probably, over time sold for their meat and aten by people. :shock:
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Postby Fixx » Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:52 pm

Occult Means Hidden wrote:ok. what is most creepy is that those pigs who ate pieces of people were probably, over time sold for their meat and aten by people. :shock:


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Yup.

Postby greencrow0 » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:44 am

Yup. The sky's the limit with the macabre in this story.

Apparently, Willie delivered the entrails of his 'pigs' to a rendering plant on the downtown east side of Vancouver once a week.

This trip took him on a regular basis right into the area where the women he is accused of killing worked, lived and disappeared from.

The rendering plant rendered the entrails and other parts of the 'pigs' into oil and pet food.

Yup, those Iams you gave Fido last week.....

Yup....the oils are used in a multitude of endeavours...greasy french fries, whathaveyou.

If you think too much about it it's crazymaking.

My favourite story is about a man I used to work with back in the 90's. Back then, he had some relatives coming over to Canada from Hong Kong. He wanted to entertain them with a big feast and got the idea to serve as a centerpiece to his meal....a suckling pig.

Yup, you guessed it. He found himself in Willie's barn, choosing a piglet and then watching as Willie hung it upside down, killed and butchered it for him. He had the great feast he was planning...never realizing


that years later on, this meal would come back to haunt him in the most objectionable and nightmarish way possible. You should have seen his face when he told us the story.

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Postby cc » Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:52 am

there's several interesting things i've picked up from this story, mostly from the pickton link on crime library. http://www.crimelibrary.com/

1) there's allegations that some of the human remains went straight into the sausage making machinery.

2) this dude was a litteral millionaire (not sure if that's been noted yet), because he sold some of his land to developers.

3) the parties he held were populated by hells angels

4) at least 2 or 3 times in the past 10 or 15 years pickton had charges against him "mysteriously" dropped.

5) some of the hookers that they interviewed when trying to catch this guy talked about a white van that would come and pick people up in the city and bring them back to some farm. in addition one or two of his victims got away, there was even a woman protesting that the police force was ignoring what was going on in the late 90s. she disappeared in 1998, guess where they found her remains?

so you have this completely derranged serial killer, doing what he did for AT LEAST 30 years, claiming potentially 60 victims, possibly more. he had ties to the most notorious biker gang in north america (who i believe have mob ties), and he was dealing with wealthy land developers (you'll excuse me for not trusting these types of people). SOMEONE, and i suspect a number of someones knew that something was going on here. this was not some recluse in the texas wasteland or the austrailian outback, he was 20 miles from vancouver. i'm quite interested to see more details come forth.

so many animals and pigs in this story, some were just pretending to be human i guess.

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