Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[Cosmic Cowbell]

From "The Red, White & Grey - Pt II"

"Some may happily seize upon stories like Alison's to contend that all UFO sightings and entity encounters must be similar masquerades. But to do so requires a disservice to the volume of cases around the world, most of which were recorded long before any of us had the means to effect such magic.

And this is exactly what Hugh and OSR have done. I do not doubt that the government is aware of ET. I do not doubt the government does bad things to people. But when the entire phenomena is wrapped up into one giant ball of conspiratorial wax, as Jeff says, a disservice to all is being perpetrated.

As far as...

And I've made the case that whether ET's exist or not, 'they' are irrelevent to the problems we have on the ground with Nazis and spooks.

Compared to the apocalyptic warning's consistently delivered over the decades as to the destruction of environment and all that it's gonna bring our species very shortly, it is your "Nazi's and Spooks" that will become irrelevant (along with the MKUltra/Monarch/NWO conspiratorial BS) when you consider the possibility that life as we know it on this planet may cease to exist. When C02 levels reach 1000PPM, bad things happen in the oceans....

Impact From the Deep

Strangling heat and gases emanating from the earth and sea, not asteroids, most likely caused several ancient mass extinctions. Could the same killer-greenhouse conditions build once again?

The answer is that they already are...

In 1994 at an elementary school in Ruwa Zimbabwe, 62 schoolchildren witnessed the landing of a UFO and the emergence of several entities. Several schoolchildren reported mental images of environmental destruction being giving to them by these entities...

"The headmaster affirmed that he believed that the students were telling the truth, and one little girl told Cynthia Hind that, 'I swear by every hair on my head and the whole Bible that I am telling the truth.'

Dr. John Mack, the abduction researcher, and his associate Dominique Callimanopulos went to Ruwa and spent two days interviewing and counseling twelve of the children and their parents.

"Those thoughts came from the man - the man's eyes."

Curiously, the older students said that they felt that the creatures communicated with them somehow, sending the message that we humans are destroying our planet, polluting the environment in ways that will have dire consequences.

The event lasted about fifteen minutes, the children said, before the spaceships faded from view. But even in their state of fear, many of the children reported also being curious and fascinated by the strange beings they saw, whose eyes in particular commanded an intense attention. Elsa told us that she thought the beings wanted to tell us something about our future, about how "the world is going to end, maybe because we don't look after our planet or the air." She said she felt horrible inside when she got home that day. "Like all the trees will go down and there will be no air. People will be dying. Those thoughts came from the man - the man's eyes."

Isabelle, a composed and articulate ten-year-old, echoed Elsa's feelings. "He was just staring. He was scary. We were trying not to look at him 'cause he was scary. My eyes and feelings went with him." What came through her "conscience" as she looked at the being was, "We are doing harm to the Earth."

No Abduction, No Military, No MIB, No M/C - straight up from them to us.

And still, there's the matter of motive. "Mind control" isn't an answer; rather, it's another question: control of whom, and for what? What's the purpose of implanting apocalyptic visions in abductees, probing Tammy for her thoughts on the afterlife, and conducting invasive gynecological and genetic work?"

There's your motive...the truth and what comes after.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

And I've made the case that whether ET's exist or not, 'they' are irrelevent to the problems we have on the ground with Nazis and spooks.

Not if the Nazis, spooks or their bosses have knowledge of the ETs, what exactly they are, why they are here and if they have backengineered their technology or possess first generation alien technology. Also of utmost importance is if there are clandestine groups masquerading as extraterrestrials and conducting experiments upon the human population we need to know which abductions are perpetrated by humans, which are not, and why both sets are being conducted.

If you don't know what weapons your enemy has you aren't prepared to win the battle.

Sometimes you speak just like the very disinformation/dismissal agents that you claim to be so much against, Hugh.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Cosmic Cowbell, what do you make of the possibility that the "impending doom" script is part of the control package? Do you think that meme could be to the benefit of those same Nazis and Spooks?

There is a very weird population reduction darkside to the environmental movement, as I'm sure anyone on here knows, so that's what sparks my doubts.

EDIT: I'm also struck by the long, long track record of "impending doom" messages with specific deadlines that come and go. A lot of contactees have been left holding the bag.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Good points wombat.

Although the pop'n reduction enviro movement used to be about voluntary birth rate reduction more than mass murder.

That was 10 years ago.

As things get more drastic well perhaps solutions might become more drastic as well.

I can see how that could fit some Nazi/spook agenda's.

The blackfellas have a very interesting attitude to the whole UFO thing, that its as much a spiritual, and possibly interdimensional thing more than a nuts and bolts approach. Part of it involves a relationship with the world and how you look after it.

I have no trouble accepting a whole series of explanatons for UFo and AA.

But in the interests of Rigour its hard to take the nuts and bolts thing seriously. It seems a well of disinfo, and as any RI member knows, there are documents stretching back over 50 years that show the interest of spook agencies in the UFO as an image of social control.

Easy to put 2 and 2 together in that regard.

BTW Rex Gilroy an Australian Cryptozoologist and general nutcase claims to have found an account of a ufo abduction of an aboriginal lady pre white contact and in the early 30s. Going looking for it now.

That puts a different spin on it If its true. Rex makes some outlandish claims.

[Joe Hillshoist]

An Aboriginal Women's Abduction Experience in 1933!


Australian mysteries researcher Rex Gilroy records an intriguing tale allegedly from 1933 that reportedly involved an aboriginal woman in a UFO abduction experience at the isolated locality of Discovery Well, on the northern edge of the Great Sandy Desert, in Western Australia. The story echoes the tribal legends and traditions of men and women being abducted by "sky gods" or "culture heros" in the dreamtime and the initiation experiences of aboriginal "men of high degree" or shamans.
In Rex Gilroy's account, the aboriginal woman claimed her tribe had been frightened off from Discovery Well when a "large shiny egg" suddenly came down out of the sky. In broad daylight the strange object flew low over them. Several beings, described as strange, grey skinned and man like, came out of the "egg". The woman said she was "stunned" by an object carried by one of the beings.

Her story indicates she was carried aboard . Inside the "egg" the interior was glowing. She was strapped to a shining table and apparently "experimented with". The woman told stockmen of her experience, but perhaps not surprisingly they laughed at her. [9]

This 1933 tale also anticipates the spate of UFO abduction tales that would virtually domininate the UFO landscape by the 1990s. It was not until 1957 that the sexual abduction experience of Antonio Villas Boas from Brazil occurred. The famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction story in the United States did not take place until 1961. Neither story was well known until the mid 1960s.

from

http://www.theozfiles.com/history_austr ... story.html

Its probably worth a read. I don't agree with the authors interpretation of initiation as an abduction process, but he doews make the disclaimer that making such connections is fraught. So he gets a bit more cred for that idea.

The blackfellas tell me that UFOs are real, but then also that they are spiritual things. I don't think the idea of something "Alien" applies to an initiation process, cos in their case its probably thousands to 10s of thousands of years old, and something that is intimately familiar.

I have heard a few criticisms of Elkins work, quoted in the article too, tho having read it - its not that bad.

One thing about the whole UFO Alien Abduction field.

It can lead in some interesting and very mysterious directions.

As well as straight to Langley if you take one path.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

Cosmic Cowbell, what do you make of the possibility that the "impending doom" script is part of the control package? Do you think that meme could be to the benefit of those same Nazis and Spooks?

Control package? "Impending" doom? Not sure what you mean...

What I am speaking of is real science that happens over centuries and is most likely irreversible once in begins. And a path we have created that they have seen coming for a long time... that's if we don't ruin the planet with the resource warfare that may come as we continue to add population while dealing with less for everyone. The elephant in the closet so to speak...look what's going on with Bush in Paraguay. Probably no small coincidence that that geographic location seems to be the one least affected over time in the IPCCs recent models as shown in the maps in the report just released.

Nazis and Spooks already do what they please with a fair amount of impunity anyway, so I'm not sure how they could benefit any more than they already do.

There is a very weird population reduction darkside to the environmental movement, as I'm sure anyone on here knows, so that's what sparks my doubts.

I hear you and imagine that at some point in the future, those cards will be played...see above. With an expected population of 9.1 billion by 2050, whether we like to think about it or not, something will give. Expect population policies to be proposed within 5 years or so. Within 20, they will be mandatory I suspect. That's if some virus doesn't come along first...Gaia has her own ways to deal with overpopulation.

EDIT: I'm also struck by the long, long track record of "impending doom" messages with specific deadlines that come and go. A lot of contactees have been left holding the bag.

As I've mentioned before, a big difference between Contactee's and Abductees. I doubt if you could show me one case where an Abductee has made an impending doom prediction, basically because they are -never- shown specific time frames and usually don't seek the limelight, unlike 'Contactees'. They are shown only what may (IMO) happen...over and over and over again. I am not predicting "impending doom" but rather an extremely slow one that I suspect will be agonizing for a majority of the population over the coming decades... a thousand cuts rather than one big one. Watch the oceans...yes, the ones they expect to be exhausted or severly depleted by 2050, whether or not aliens actually exist.

Is it still possible to prevent...possibly. But I tend to subscribe to one of Einsteins most famous theories:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

Nice story Joe, and one I can relate to as far as being 'stunned' by a handheld object...as I've written. Nice timing...

It also goes to demonstrate, as with Jane Leade, the phenomenon predates the era that most consider "culturally contaminated".

[Joe Hillshoist]

its a good story.

I dunno how good a source Rex Gilroy is.

He makes a lot of claims, his book pyramids in the pacific claims that basically every cultural group in the world has attempted to settle australia. Some of the evidence is possibly good. Other bits dubious...

He hunts Yowies, our version of Bigfoot. Some people think that automatically makes him mad, but Yowie sightings crop up all the time, especially around here. I know a few people that claim to have seen them.

He claims to have found humanoid footprints around the Bathurst area that are consistant with 15 foot tall humanoids, based on the ratio of foot size to height as we understand it. 12 inch foot = 6 foot person sort of thing.

To me thats his most preposterous claim.

So if it wasn't for the stories I have heard off blackfellas about UFOs and spirituality, I would be inclined to dismiss that story.

But I don't.

Its a hard thing for me to take seriously tho, cos I had an experience once, and the only thing that comes close to describing it is alien abduction.

And I never left my bedroom during the whole thing. I chased whatever was hassling me off tho. Never been back. I was angry and tried to psychically drag the craft or portal or whatever it was back so I could have another go at the bastards.

But that bit about the stun gun... my wife said something similar, but was more paralysis than an actual stun. She doesn't recall that tho. It was nine years ago or so for her.

She has had Communion by Whitley the (possibly) spook for about 12 or 13 years, and actually started reading it for the first time today cos I dragged out Schnabels book last week.

[Donovan]

1- As the ET/UFO abduction has around it all kinds of psychic phenomena it is hard to say what ‘nuts and bolts’ is. If a UFO seen visually and seen on radar disappears where does it go? We must accept that there are ‘nuts and bolts’ of other realities that we don’t know. Therefore I see nothing more real concerning messages from children after seeing a UFO than messages from ‘channelers’. We must go through the messages, all of them. Those who ‘give’ the messages state clearly that there are always distortions as they must go through the belief systems of the reporter/channeler.

2- The gambit of the secret government seems to be to create fear of the ‘other’. In a very real sense it creates fear of ourselves if ( as it is one of the wider themes) we are multidimensional beings. This might be ther reason for such suspect movies as Independence Day and Signs. Fear of other realities. That equals fear of ourselves. It is that fear that creates the Matrix.

3- Secret government has their fear. Secret government’s fear (and it is fear based) is loss of control. This makes world secret government get into more and more control. This is what is defeating them. Health always trumps perversity. The Iran issue is beginning to split secret government. That aspect is going unnoticed. The problem with Iran from the standpoint of secret government is not that they do or can have nukes. The problem is that they will not join the secret club. (Again I talk about the basis of this in A Spy In Time at
http://www.midcoast.com/~michael1/aspyintime.htm ) Never before have I seen such a ‘split’ at the top as over the Iran issue. (General Hoar et al, the odd op eds in such as the NYTimes and Wall Street Journal of late).

4- Though in no way am I suggesting that we not note what secret government has been about most of the focus should be in our own private inner world. (The way in is the way out, the way out is the way in). That in turn seems to make the right personal connections in the 3-D world. The secret government becomes less relevant. To a great extent our fear is their food. Power over others is more than an aphrodisiac, it is theft of subtle energy. (A main point in books such as The Celestine Prophecy. )

5- In the process of assimilating all of this we should remember that it is the stranger information, the parts that don’t easily fit into any sort of paradigm, that end up giving us the most information. In this case I am thinking of multiple personality. I am beginning to suspect that it is the area ‘between the personalities’ which is the real gold. And in that sense most of our focus (and what secret government is most about robbing us of) is not so much who ‘they’ are but who ‘we’ are.

[LilyPatToo]

It struck me last night that, for all the hand-wringing and wailing about impending planetary doom that they generate, I've not yet found any of the alien-contacted abductees working beside me in environmental activist groups. Who knows? Perhaps they contribute scads of cash in lieu of feet-on-the-ground?

But I don't see them on the front lines anywhere. And not *one* of the good people I know here in the Bay Area who've worked tirelessly to block the fracking developers or the rapacious timber companies or the industrial polluters is doing so because aliens told them to.....

So while Cosmic Cowbell may lash out at those of us who are outraged at the human rights abuses perpetrated by the mind control programs and accuse us of some sort of pathological "singlemindedness" for our determination to raise consciousness about them, I wonder at her automatic assumption that we ALL should be paying attention instead to her Kindly Space Brothers' environmental message....?

What part of "ongoing egregious human rights abuse" is unworthy of our attention?

I too see an ulterior motive in her aliens' messages of doom--fear has been used to make human beings more easily controled for uncounted thousands of years. The alien abductees who are wide-eyed with fear seem to spend most of their time emoting to each other about the visions they've been Chosen to receive....How many of them are giveing time, money or energy to the many environmental groups that are fighting to actually DO SOMETHING about the Elite's predations upon our world?

Back when I still believed that I was an alien abductee, I was really struck by the number of other local abductees I met who drew back in revulsion from political activism and were far too delicate and sensitive to march for peace in large protest marches. When invited on city, forest or creek clean-up work days, they were otherwise engaged.

When I asked if they were going to vote for those candidates who were passionate about the environment, as often as not, they looked pained and told me that voting was irrelevant, since all political parties were the same. When, agast at the appalling inaccuracy of that generalization, I brought them print-outs of crystal-clear voting records on the environment between left and right, they were polite, but dismissive....AND switched the topic back to *their wonderful Aliens* and *those scary Visions*. One even told me privately that she'd been told in a vision that she was to avoid all that upsetting activism stuff, because her alien soul had chosen to incarnate here to help out AFTER the Apocalypse--!

And I exited the local abductee community.

They didn't want to hear about the human military people I was manhandled by during my (then ongoing) daylight abductions. I was the fly in their ointment with all my questions about the cool revelations that they were receiving from their aliens--how dare I question these far more advanced beings who were Here To Help Us?!!

If any of their Chosen Ones came here, to Jeff Wells' board, of all places, in hopes of drowning out the discussion of intel predations in the UFO field, they might want to rethink either their choice of board or their approach. The application of truly Rigorous Intuition to the many reports of alien abduction and/or UFOs IS what goes on here. Very few people here are going to take anything on the say-so of a contactee/abductee alone. Discussion will ensue and woe betide anyone who expects otherwise on the basis of received wisdom...or fear.

LilyPat

[Donovan]

Although Lilypat, whose posts I am liking, seems to be answering Cowbell, I will interject a few thoughts.

I do know of portions of the ‘abductee’ group that are like Lilypat’s discription. They also seem to be the most vocal. I spent time on many groups and forums. Slowly the better seems to rise to the top. There being a general consensus that the military is also involved.

It is better to be with those that are the forerunners then focusing on those lagging behind. Those that have experiences that are ‘abductee type’ (mil, real or both) have much to work through. It is a process. I have found that the smarter do work it through, see both types of experiences are occurring, and ARE involved both politically and environmentally. (Most of the smarter know not to be too vocal.)

However, I have also seen that there has been a program of controlling even the discussion groups of abductees, entering ‘fear of reptoids’ etc. Even that gets worked through. Most likely the biggest discussion (yahoo type group) in the UFO area is Dr. Boylan’s group, (used to, or may still be called UFOFacts). There both types of experiences are noted. Dr. Boylan allows no talk of ‘negative ETs’ on his group,. Certainly there are pros and cons of that decision but seems to block out certain negative discussion and on the whole the better ‘experiencers’ are drawn. I no longer belong, but did for some time.

The rougher the experience the more time it takes to stand back and get the overall perspective. I understand that my talk of seeing ‘secret government falling of itself’ to seem to some as wrongly Pollyanna. Yet I have been at this many years, and for many of those years felt very much like LillypatToo.

[LilyPatToo]

Donovan, he came to sit in on one of the abductee support groups of which I was a member years ago. To say we didn't hit it off is to understate the situation While some of the Kindly Space Brothers contingent is genuine, others are not. And I've no way of telling one from the other, so I avoid them all whenever humanly possible.

But that bothers me too, since the knowledge that people's trust is being abused by manipulative gurus is just abhorrent to me. Especially if my tax dollars are paying the predators' salaries.

I hope your assessment is correct, Donovan, and most abductees are capable of growing past the worship stage. To me, the desire to deify your abductors is completely understandable. But it's unhealthy, too. I've found that simply mentioning the words "Stockholm Syndrome" around some of the more vocal alien-adoring abductees can provoke tremendous outrage. A couple of the ones who've read the When there are witness [sic] thread at Unknown Country are STILL following me around the net and sniping at me, which is pretty amazing.

The ones who, after they settle down, are willing to discuss the possibility that something like that might be behind their feelings are the ones that can be reached with logic and information about the intelligence agencies' long history in this field. But many simply have made their captors their gods and are not willing to even discuss the matter. And that bothers me a lot, in the light of what I've learned about some of the predators doing disinformation work in this field.

LilyPat

[Cosmic Cowbell]

It struck me last night that, for all the hand-wringing and wailing about impending planetary doom that they generate, I've not yet found any of the alien-contacted abductees working beside me in environmental activist groups. Who knows? Perhaps they contribute scads of cash in lieu of feet-on-the-ground?

Perhaps they do...

Perhaps they simply don't wear their experiences on their sleeve. I will assume Lilypat, that you include Whitley Strieber amongst the "wailers & handwringers" when it comes to impending planetary doom. He wrote "Natures End" prior to his 1984 experiences and "Communion" and I do believe he has influenced hundreds of thousands, if not millions as to 'Climate Change' with his novel, "The Day After Tomorrow". Not bad for a "handwringer" eh?.

But I don't see them on the front lines anywhere. And not *one* of the good people I know here in the Bay Area who've worked tirelessly to block the fracking developers or the rapacious timber companies or the industrial polluters is doing so because aliens told them to.....

If you are one of those on the front lines LilyPat, I applaud your efforts and thank you on behalf of my children.

So while Cosmic Cowbell may lash out at those of us who are outraged at the human rights abuses perpetrated by the mind control programs and accuse us of some sort of pathological "singlemindedness" for our determination to raise consciousness about them, I wonder at her automatic assumption that we ALL should be paying attention instead to her Kindly Space Brothers' environmental message....?

What you so kindly frame as "lashing" out, was simply my attempt to point out the tunnelvision demonstrated by a few regarding the relationship between MC programs and the alien abduction phenomenon. Both OSR and Hugh attempt with a very broad brush to explain away the experiences of thousands and the research of some pretty bright people as some gigantic government conspiracy all the while offering very vague, often changing motives...sometimes none at all. Those who disagree are labeled victims of 'Stockholm' syndrome or some other such nonsense...such as your attempt to paint a portrait of me as promoting "Kindly Space Brothers" or alluding that I may consider myself "Chosen", neither of which I in fact subscribe to. Nice try though...

I too see an ulterior motive in her aliens' messages of doom--fear has been used to make human beings more easily controled for uncounted thousands of years. The alien abductees who are wide-eyed with fear seem to spend most of their time emoting to each other about the visions they've been Chosen to receive....How many of them are giveing time, money or energy to the many environmental groups that are fighting to actually DO SOMETHING about the Elite's predations upon our world?

I guess fear comes in many different flavors and degree's now doesn't it? I suppose the difference between us is that the fear I speak of, warnings given repeatedly over the decades of portending ecological disaster that are only now being born out in scientific fact, while the fear you & Hugh promote are clouded in conspiratorial secrecy, theories that can be traced back in origin to a small group of AFOSI disinfo agents blowing the mind of one Paul Bennewitz. Again, I don't doubt the bad guys are out there, but continually attempting to hook that wagon up with Alien abductions does not serve either phenomenon well with the absolutes you both promote.

Back when I still believed that I was an alien abductee, I was really struck by the number of other local abductees I met who drew back in revulsion from political activism and were far too delicate and sensitive to march for peace in large protest marches. When invited on city, forest or creek clean-up work days, they were otherwise engaged.

When I asked if they were going to vote for those candidates who were passionate about the environment, as often as not, they looked pained and told me that voting was irrelevant, since all political parties were the same. When, agast at the appalling inaccuracy of that generalization, I brought them print-outs of crystal-clear voting records on the environment between left and right, they were polite, but dismissive....AND switched the topic back to *their wonderful Aliens* and *those scary Visions*. One even told me privately that she'd been told in a vision that she was to avoid all that upsetting activism stuff, because her alien soul had chosen to incarnate here to help out AFTER the Apocalypse--!

There are many wannbes, posers, attention whores, liars and yes, mentally ill folks out there. This must be recognized as fact. Hopefully, through thorough investigation, the kind Jacobs, Hopkins and Mack tried to attempt over the years, they are weeded out. The Internet changed the face of the research however, and the field has become muddied with every conceivable scenario...moonbases, orgonites, cloudbusters, reptoids etc etc etc.

They didn't want to hear about the human military people I was manhandled by during my (then ongoing) daylight abductions. I was the fly in their ointment with all my questions about the cool revelations that they were receiving from their aliens--how dare I question these far more advanced beings who were Here To Help Us?!!

And I exited the local abductee community.

Or got kicked out...although the "singlemindedness" quote was directed at Mr. Wins, I suppose if the shoe fits, you must wear it.

If any of their Chosen Ones came here, to Jeff Wells' board, of all places, in hopes of drowning out the discussion of intel predations in the UFO field, they might want to rethink either their choice of board or their approach. The application of truly Rigorous Intuition to the many reports of alien abduction and/or UFOs IS what goes on here. Very few people here are going to take anything on the say-so of a contactee/abductee alone. Discussion will ensue and woe betide anyone who expects otherwise on the basis of received wisdom...or fear.

Well, let's just hope they don't show up then....

Donovan, he came to sit in on one of the abductee support groups of which I was a member years ago. To say we didn't hit it off is to understate the situation

LOL...if your referring to me, you are sadly mistaken. I've never been a part of any 'group' whatsoever. As I've alluded to before, I can't afford it so to speak. Nice try though....

BTW- I suspect that you Lilypat, are OSR.

~Cowbell

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^You're Dr. Boylan?

What's OSR?

[philipacentaur]

OneSmartRat? If that's who CC is making reference to, it's the user name of a poster here -- I think.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

^^You're Dr. Boylan?

What's OSR?

An essay by OSR "OneSmartRat" is what started this thread.

Google the name to catch up.

No, I'm not Boylan and I may have been confused as to who Lilypat was referencing. If so, apologies.

~C