Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:21 pm

Lilypat...

Can you define for us the term "True Believer"...

lilypat wrote:...And no matter how many cherished illusions are shattered or how many heroes turn out to have not just feet of clay, but entire, brittle personas of the stuff.

For dyed-in-the-wool True Believers, of course, that's unlikely to be a realistic hope on my part. They will resist this information to their last breaths, I'm afraid.


Can you be specific as to which 'illusion' will be shattered? I am really trying to understand just exactly what it is your trying to say. Is it..

A) Abduction by Alien entities is a fallacy and that all Abductions are perpetrated by Humans Governments worldwide?

B) Alien Abductions are a reality and are a result a conspiratorial agreement between the Aliens and the Government.

C) Alien Abduction exist but are completely separate from Human perpetrated Abduction and that the phenomenon has been co-opted by Humans for ends not associated with Alien motives?

D) There are factions of Aliens who Abduct, only a portion of whom are in league with Human conspirators for mutual motives.

E) Something else entirely or a combination of some of the above.

Being concise and clear in your response will help me and other understand exactly where you (and OSR) are coming from.

I will tell you that it is my opinion that there is not one human soul alive or dead who has ever understood the entire "truth" of the matter. I'm not sure it -can- be understood at this point. What I -do- know and would like to point out to you is that your continued use of 'labels' such as those you use in this thread, "True Believer's", "Chosen Ones", "Hand wringers" "SS Victims" etc., will never serve you well if you wish to be heard.
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How much of the blog have you read?

Postby LilyPatToo » Fri Feb 09, 2007 11:29 pm

Can you define for us the term "True Believer"...


My personal definition for a True Believer is someone who is not accepting new information that might challenge a cherished belief.

In this case, I think that the new information is that some abductions are being performed by humans who deliberately fake an alien abduction. Dream’s End has presented a well-organized summation of compelling evidence that that is happening -- http://dreamsend.wordpress.com/ -- I urge you to read it, before making posts like the one above. Your resentment of me, personally, is basically irrelevant in the face of the amount and the quality of the evidence that is laid out there.

I’m not interested in debating your beliefs with you at all, since I have a feeling that anything I or anyone else could say would just fuel your resentment, without actually adding to the discussion here. I’m here to learn and to discuss the mind control programs that I believe are behind many supposedly alien abductions. They’ve now gone on for half a century and they’ve directly, tragically impacted my life and the lives of people very dear to me.

Abductions that have nothing to do with this, that are truly of alien origin, are of interest to me, but they aren’t the focus of my current research. If you want to debate alien abductions, go for it...but with someone else. I have neither the time, the desire or the energy to go head-to-head with you about them.

No one may know the “entire truth of the matter”, but there is one hell of a lot of evidence suggestive of intelligence agents having the means and creating the opportunities to fake alien abductions. It’s in line with my own first-hand observations and also with Dream’s End’s research. It in no way proves that all abductions are done by spooks and if you read his material and still believe that it was aliens who took you, then I have no problem with that at all.

But have you read it?

I'm not interested in a fight, CC. I'm interested in information and in hearing other people's opinions about that information. I've seen too many threads go up in flames when discussion was replaced by resentment-driven debate that swiftly turned to rancor and attack. Please address the information being presented and resist the urge to focus on me or on any other personalities involved. Some of us need the information that may emerge in order to survive--it's not merely an intellectual exercise for a number of people at this board.

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Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:35 am

Lilypat wrote:My personal definition for a True Believer is someone who is not accepting new information that might challenge a cherished belief.

In this case, I think that the new information is that some abductions are being performed by humans who deliberately fake an alien abduction.

Abductions that have nothing to do with this, that are truly of alien origin, are of interest to me, but they aren’t the focus of my current research.


I see.....thanks for clearing that up. So the "new information" has somehow forced you to reconsider a previously held opinion? You state "some abductions". Are there some you think may belong to another category?

I asked the questions for the sake of clarity Lilypat. No need to once again frame me as your "attacker". You see, there are many M/C proponents who would vehemently debate you as well, promoting or endorsing one of the different choices above. Dr. Karla Turner and Barbara Bartholic could be included in this category, as they champion alien/government conspiracy/Love Bites (yes, I've done my research). Dr. Lammer might take a slightly different view. You have cited these researchers as resources and use them to back up to your hypothesis, so I am confused that even though you don't subscribe to the idea that Aliens are associating themselves with MILABer's/Monarch/MKUltra groups, you will point to researchers that do and say "look here"? Can you understand the incongruity you display by doing this?

Lilypat wrote:since I have a feeling that anything I or anyone else could say would just fuel your resentment, without actually adding to the discussion here.


Well, since your "feeling"/accusation about me stalking you around the internets was wrong, might you possibly be wrong about this as well? But again with the framing Lilypat...

Lilypat wrote:If you want to debate alien abductions, go for it...but with someone else. I have neither the time, the desire or the energy to go head-to-head with you about them.


As soon as you quit using the venom you display towards them, labeling those who do claim such experiences as unable to judge or interpret their own encounters for what they are or attempting to demonize them during the proceedings simply because they may not understand or disagree with your position, you'll get your wish. Until then, if you bring them up, I'll consider it an open topic for discussion.

From one 'true believer" to another...
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Oy!

Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:27 pm

CC said,
You have cited these researchers as resources and use them to back up to your hypothesis, so I am confused that even though you don't subscribe to the idea that Aliens are associating themselves with MILABer's/Monarch/MKUltra groups, you will point to researchers that do and say "look here"? Can you understand the incongruity you display by doing this?


No. I can't. Because for me *nothing* about UFOs/alien abductions/MC is set-in-stone or crystal clear and for me MANY researchers have parts of the truth. Important parts, but mixed in with disinformation or simple errors.

And since I avoid the black-or-white, right-or-wrong mindset entirely, I also pay readers of my posts the compliment of assuming that they do too...but thank you for the reminder that not all are able to do that.

And even more important, you yourself seem to STILL be missing my (frequently-stated) opinion that I do NOT deny that real aliens may be involved. The researchers you name above think that, so why the hell would I be "inconsistent" in recommending them to other people?!

I've asked before that you stop going after me and address the subject matter of the thread. From now on, I choose to not reply to what I continue to see as personal hostility directed at me by you. If you post on alien abductions in relation to the mind control programs, fine. But no more thinly-disguised hostility toward me will be addressed in my posts. I strongly suspect that most of the other readers of this thread are getting impatient for the discussion to resume. And this, no matter what you call it, is not discussion.

Back on-topic: I hope that somebody besides me has read at least parts of Dream's End's great blog. I'm working on a couple of different posts about it for other boards, but here I was really hoping to see informed opinions on it.

If you've read it or if you were already familiar with DE's research, for heaven's sake speak up! And let's get this thread back on track.

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Postby streeb » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:56 pm

I strongly suspect that most of the other readers of this thread are getting impatient for the discussion to resume. And this, no matter what you call it, is not discussion.


CC, it really seems as though you're trying to obscure LilyPat's point. Your relative positions are both clear to an outsider, I promise, and at this point it appears that LilyPat is being asked to repeat herself. I'd like to see the discussion move on, too.
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15 UFOs over London. Something there starts with 'M'.

Postby Donovan » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:25 pm

Though I too wish the discussion to 'move on', continue, and though I have much to say...... first.
God bless both LilyPat and Cowbell. Let us note that the conversation is going on.
Both LilyPat and Cowbell have placed the discussion over any petty issues.
Having had both types of experiences I know how hard this has been on both of them.
I really feel I need to state this before I post further.
God bless you both. I thank you both.
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Fair enough

Postby Cosmic Cowbell » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:19 pm

LP wrote:I strongly suspect that most of the other readers of this thread are getting impatient for the discussion to resume. And this, no matter what you call it, is not discussion.


Streeb wrote:CC, it really seems as though you're trying to obscure LilyPat's point. Your relative positions are both clear to an outsider, I promise, and at this point it appears that LilyPat is being asked to repeat herself. I'd like to see the discussion move on, too.


Understood....I somewhat regret re-inserting myself into the conversation. I've said what I had to say.

Carry on...
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:31 pm

At the UC board, in the mind control thread that I tend and keep alive, Whitley Strieber is currently commenting upon Dream's End's latest article that goes into his (Whitley's) experiences from the standpoint of their suggesting a mind control program, rather than actual aliens. I hope he continues to do so and also that he doesn't get so POed at DE that he won't one day correspond with him.

A number of people here have PMed me recently about my opinion of him and I basically said that while I have suspected for a long time that he was a long-term MC test subject, I do not suspect him of being complicit with the Controllers. This is my own personal opinion, based upon reading his books and his posts at UC.

If a person has this in their past, it is (to me, anyway) impossible not to empathize with all other survivors that you meet...an empathy based upon tolerance, since some of us have more visible damage than others. Anyone without compassion for a person who's survived terrible human rights abuses from childhood on is, to me, less than human.

When I look at Whitley and at other high-profile survivors, my overriding emotion is heartfelt compassion for them and for their families. Most survivors, if not all, have program alters who have been threatened with terrifying retribution if they speak out or rebel. ALL should be regarded as survivors of horrific abuse who are coping as best they can.

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Demons in Alien's Clothing

Postby Trifecta » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:07 pm

Apart from the biblical quotes an interesting article and one that brings the demon phenomina into focus.

www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/demons_a ... lothes.htm

Demons in Alien's Clothing
- By Ron Patton
As we enter the 21st century and a new millenium, Satan has devised the delusion that mankind is entering into an important evolutionary phase - a New Age. The push for "global enlightenment" has now extended to the vast reaches of the universe, into what could be deemed as a "space" religion. However, once this nebulous veil is lifted, a definite correlation emerges between the UFO/Alien phenomenon and occultic/satanic activity.

The ancient civilizations of the Egyptians, Babylonians, Aztecs, Mayans, and Incas shared several intriguing characteristics:

They were extremely advanced scientifically and technologically.
Animal and human sacrifices were performed at an alarming rate, preceding their demise.
They believed they had acquired metaphysical knowledge from the "gods", whom they perceived as coming from the stars and also the subterranean level of the earth.
These cultures disintegrated or became abruptly extinct while at the pinnacle of their existance.
Many of these revered and feared entities were described as looking like winged-reptilians or dragons. Similarly, Satan and his minions were depicted in an identical manner, as seen in artwork throughout the centuries.

A monograph entitled, Reality of the Serpent Race, by Branton, reveals, "In Genesis 3 we read about the 'Nachash'; Hebrew word for 'Serpent'. The original Nachash was not actually a snake as most people believe, but an extremely intelligent, cunning creature, possessed with the ability to speak and reason." Another significant parallel from the Holy Bible is shown in Jeremiah 8:17, "Behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices among you, which will bite you, saith the Lord." The definition of a cockatrice is a reptilian bird-like creature or winged-serpent. This could very well represent the Phoenix, described in Egyptian mythology.

A theory proposed by Bible scholar I.D.E. Thomas asserts that the race of the "Nephilim" (meaning Giants and/or fallen ones), mentioned in Genesis 6:4 and Numbers 13:33, closely resemble the alien race of the blond Pleiadian Nordics, reported to be eight to nine feet tall. The Nazis attempted to revive this mystical Aryan race in the 1930's and 1940's. Mr. Thomas believes that a hybrid offspring culminated from relations between the Nephilim and the "daughters of man" resulting in increased wickedness upon the earth; and thus evoking God's wrath in the form of the "Great Flood".

Interviews taken of ex-Wiccans and Satanists (now Christians) indicate a high level of personal contact with various alien types, especially during coven meetings and holiday rituals. Those coming from the highest echelon of Satanism known as the Illuminati, believe the original people who inhabited the earth descended from Mars via the Moon. They believe the first established civilization was Atlantis. Renowned for their superior intellect, the Atlanteans suffered the same fate as a few of the proceeding cultures already mentioned. The remnant people from Atlantis became the American Indians, according to their interpretation of history.

Dr. Richard Boylan has written extensively about E.T. encounters, and has found five common features of people predominately involved in UFO/alien sightings and abductions:

Individuals possessing a high degree of psychic ability.
Similar phenomenon occuring with other family members (multi or trans-generational).
Native Americans and/or indigenous peoples.
Children who have been subjected to severe abuse or trauma.
Individuals and/or family members affiliated to government and/or military intelligence agencies or departments.
In conjunction, a strong relationship exists between occultic ritual sites, top secret military installations, and UFO/alien sightings and abductions. There also appears to be a magnetic spiritual vortex (or vacuum) which has drawn an many "New Agers" into these areas (Taos, NM; Sedona,AZ; Boulder, CO, etc.). One prime example is the area near Dulce, NM, where the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) has a highly-secured underground complex on the Jicarella Indian Reservation -- a region known for Native American shamanism. The facility is said to be used for genetic engineering, including cloning. Several witnesses who were employed there reported seeing different breeds of aliens.

Congruently, the Mojave Desert in California has it's share of military bases involved in "black projects", ranging from research and development of "advanced" aircraft to MKULTRA mind control operations (Edwards AFB, Ft. Irwin, and China Lake Naval Weapons Center). Coincidentally, it was the area where Charles Manson and family resided in the late 1960's. It was also the general location described in the book, Outside the Circle of Time (1980) by Kenneth Grant. A portion of the book states, "John Whiteside Parsons [who specialized in jet propulsion] and L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology [and former Naval Intelligence Officer] were involved in a special project during 1945 and 1946... This special project which was carried out in the California desert, was a part of magical ceremonies [black witchcraft] known as the 'Babylon Working', designed by Aleister Crowley, who died in 1947 [year of the alleged Roswell UFO crash and the implementation of the National Security Act]... The purpose of the series of ceremonies performed by Parsons and Hubbard was to unseal an interdimensional gateway, that had been sealed in antiquity thereby allowing other dimensional entities known as the 'Old Ones' access to our space/time continuum. The culmination of the ceremonies was reported to have been successful, having resulted in the establishment of 'extra-terrestrial contact'... Crowley left behind a drawing of his invisible mentors or as he called them, 'Secret Chiefs' [spirit guides], entitled LAM. This entity has a very large head on a small body, a pointed chin, and a little slit of a mouth [description compares favorably to the 'Greys']."

Another British occultist, Dr. John Dee, court astrologer for Queen Elizabeth I, would regularly summon alien-like entities.

Several abductees, psychics (through out-of-body experiences) and former employees of the Dulce facility reported seeing large vats, full of blood and body parts; essentially, a human stew . Their understanding is particular varieties of aliens, mostly "Greys" bathe in these vats to absorb nutrients through their skin. One of the secretions these aliens crave is adrenaline, which is generated in great quantity when the victim is tortured or traumatized at the moment of death. This glandular hormone is most potent in children.

Striking similarities are found in Egyptian Satanism, as graphically detailed in The Egyptian Book of the Dead. "Behold ye then god this great slaughter, mighty of terror, he washeth in your blood, he batheth in your gore." It was common practice for them to sacrifice infants and young children for the purpose of obtaining the life or energy force from the victim.

Additional observations by some who have witnessed aliens recall distinct insignias or emblems on their uniforms. To no surprise, alien symbology is identical to that of the Mystery Religions of ancient Babylon. For instance, the winged-sun disk is worn by the "Draconis" or Reptilian race and is prominently displayed throughout the sliding scale of occultism. The double-headed eagle or Phoenix is associated with the Lyrae-Greys; a trademark of the Scottish Rite branch of Freemasonry. A book describing the interaction between non-human beings from other planets and the "enlightened ones" (33rd degree Freemasons) is found in the book, The Hidden Life of Freemasonry. Mario Pazzaglini, Ph.D., published his meticulous research pertaining to alien symbols in a book titled, Symbolic Messages: An Introduction to a Study of "Alien" Writing. He effectively deciphered over 150 samples and concluded that a high percentage of the alien alphabets are similar to magical alphabets of Hermetic and Enochian origins. Mario also surmised that, "Further, messages [from aliens] seem in most people to act as a nucleus for a developing sense of purpose in life, an increased realization that of some kind of 'assignment' from beyond humankind, and a heightened spiritual sense. The specific contents of these ideas can be of any religious denomination, or orientation, and sometimes reveals or develops a totally new religion, usually with conglomerate pieces from known religions and other cosmic, planetary, or stellar schemes."

A case epitomizing this "cosmic consciousness" has been disclosed by Sky Ambrose, an alleged UFO/alien abductee who was interviewed by Art Bell, on his nationally-syndicated radio show, Dreamland, October 16, 1994. She and a friend were supposedly abducted in Colorado after observing a UFO in November 1989. Sky lost about two hours of time which she could not account for and decided to undergo hypnosis. A condensed version of what Ms. Ambrose recalled is as follows:

The aliens looked translucent, with large heads upon thin, frail bodies. Their eyes were large and pronounced, but their was no recollection of noses or mouths.
Sky and her friend were implanted with a small square, tissue-like substance inside their heads (catscan analysis or x-rays have verified these biological devices exist).
Communication with the aliens was achieved telepathically.
They (the aliens) told Sky she was not chosen by them, but she out of her own volition, decided to participate in this journey before her present life (reincarnation). To her understanding, these beings are "caretakers" or "guardians" of the planet, Earth. Their function is to bring forth "revelation" through the spirit of unity, and, the earth is the soul of God; a living entity (paganism).
It was explained to her that the universe is rhythmic and presently at a peak cycle; what appears to be chaos is actually the birthing of a "new order" (ordo ab chaos?). To enter into the next evolutionary level, new bodies will be needed to re-seed the planet. This hybrid body will be a combination of human and alien (remember the Nephilim?).
Her renewed belief system incorporates the expression that negativity brings separation but unity brings love (please read II Corinthians 6:17 & Matthew 10:34).
Some skeptics have taken the position that the UFO/alien phenomenon can be best explained as a form of psychosis or hysteria as conceptualized within Jungian psychology. Others view it as an elaborate government hoax, designed to further confuse the American populace. Such an insight is coherently expounded upon in the book, Space Aliens from the Pentagon, by Bill Lyne, former Air Force Intelligence Officer. I believe all the above explanations can exist simultaneously and need not be exclusive from one another. What better way to manipulate one's perception of reality by throwing out several different scenarios, thereby making it difficult to ascertain a consistent pattern or trend that would hopefully lead to finding the elusive "truth". In adding to the perplexity, cattle mutilations have been theorized to be the nefarious work of space creatures for experimental purposes. Others feel it's a result of cultic rituals. Yet, another explanation is that it's a smoke-screen perpetrated by government/military psy-ops in order to escalate our already induced paranoia (Is that a black helicopter I hear?).

A few so-called experts in the field of UFOology are excited about the possibility that someday soon, these seemingly benevolent and misunderstood inter-galactic beings will openly reveal themselves to the Earth's human populace and bring about universal bliss. This grand deception is yet another lie conceived by the one referred to as "that old serpent" (Revelation 12:9).

As history repeats itself, let it be understood that we are living in a time likened as "in the days of Noah" (I Peter 3:20). With "dark skies" prevailing and the overwhelming presence of evil around us, what are we to do? I Corinthians 10:13 explains, "There hath no temptation taken you but such as common to man : but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." There is no physical place to hide from this onslaught of carnality except by taking refuge in our spiritual fortress, God Almighty (Psalm 91:2).

I trust this article provided sufficient information to render an objective conclusion. From my perspective, these extra-terrestrials are nothing less than demons in alien's clothing. Grievously, many have and will succumb to this seductive aroma of pseudo-enlightenment (Mark 13:33). May we abide in Jesus, lest we partake in the abominations held within the mystery of iniquity (II Thessalonians 2:7-12).

Sources
I.D.E. Thomas, The Omega Conspiracy: Satan's Last Assault on God's Kingdom, Heathstone Publishing Ltd., 1986
Timothy J. Dailey, The Millennial Deception: Aliens, Angels, and the Anti-Christ, Chosen Books, 1995
Nelson S. Pacheco, Ph.D. and Tommy R. Blann, Unmasking The Enemy: Visions and Deception in the End Times, Bendan Press, 1994
David L. Carrico, The Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic Connection, 1992
Christa Tilton, The Bennewitz Papers, Crux Publications, 1992
Dr. Cathy Burns, Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star, Sharing, 1992
SCP Journal, Alien Encounters, UFOs and the Realm of Shadows, Spiritual Counterfeit Project, 1992
Paul Shockley, UFO/Alien Abductions, The Alien Digest, 1991
Vladamar Valerian, Matrix II: The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology, Leading Edge Research, 1991
Wendy Wallace, The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse and the New World Order, 1995
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:48 pm

LilyPatToo wrote:At the UC board, in the mind control thread that I tend and keep alive, Whitley Strieber is currently commenting upon Dream's End's latest article that goes into his (Whitley's) experiences from the standpoint of their suggesting a mind control program, rather than actual aliens. I hope he continues to do so and also that he doesn't get so POed at DE that he won't one day correspond with him.


^^Link me, please, I'd be very interested in seeing that, having just read the Dream's End article in question. Which was damn good.
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Postby philipacentaur » Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:10 pm

^^Link me, please, I'd be very interested in seeing that, having just read the Dream's End article in question. Which was damn good.


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Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Feb 11, 2007 6:11 pm

Unfortunately, I can't seem to link directly to the thread, but I can link to the list of Topic areas -- http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/index.phtml?winmain=main

Click on "UFOs, Ufology & the Unexplained" and then on the "When there are Witness" (sic) thread.

You'll see a TON of archives, so scroll down to the one labeled "Archive through February 10, 2007" and click on it.

Then scroll down to a post I made on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 3:45 pm

Wish I could make it simpler, but the same URL appears no matter what page I'm on at that board, so you'll have to click through. The discussion is entirely within that Archive and in the long "active" section of the thread. You can only post to the thread from the active section--the archives are closed to new posts.

Hope that helps!

BTW, a poster is currently contributing there who is an old friend of Whitley's and who has experienced some of the same strangeness at his cabin that he's written about--very interesting stuff.

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warning triggers!

Postby kristinerosemary » Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:56 pm

thanks to lilypat for link to unknown country "When there
are witness to abduction"

this is a living art project and a supremely informative,
classic thread that anyone would benefit from sitting down
every day and reading for as long as it takes to get thru
the whole discussion.

i've read every word, so i can verify that it's worth
the time.

this thread is extremely valuable, particularly
because of the work, time, effort and energy that lilypat
has put into giving clear, thoughtful, sincere and useful
posts throughout.
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Postby Donovan » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:38 pm

Was not comfortable with Demons in Alien's Clothing- By Ron Patton. There was much interesting information but it seems to have a bias: sort of anti-occult, focus on demons etc. Not that those things are not real, they are. But demons are accepted as real in most concepts of spiritual development. And demons are ‘seen’ also by saints and mystics but they ‘go through this’, don’t stay there. Patton sees all occult training as ‘satanic’ etc. Reeked of God vs. Devil dualism.

Having some thoughts about multiples. Seems childhood trauma can create multiples. But are we seeing a pathology or something normal that is misused?

I have a few reincarnational memories, came in my early thirties. One I could not stop, had to just lie down for about ten hours and ‘live it’. The personalities are VERY different. So I have some concept of what LilyPat experiences. But who creates the separation? And what process lifts the veil so that memory of another returns? From that standpoint our soul is knowledgeable it what could be construed as ‘mind control techniques’. And perhaps benefic ‘other dimensional helpers’ are knowledgeable of these techniques as well.

At the start of psychic development, at the point where one realizes that such things as demons are ‘real’ there is a block of fear. This is something to transverse and as such it takes time to do this. Those first realizations are freaky. In time that ‘lower astral’ (for want of better term here) area is put in place.

Patton did make the point of noting that some civilizations have arrived with seeming advanced scientific knowledge. Then he talks about ‘human sacrifice’ and such. These always occurred in the civilization’s downfall. But I do feel that in general this present society has deliberately slowed down some ‘science/spiritual’ areas so that we did not get too far in advance of our group emotional development. In that respect such times as the ‘Dark Ages’ might in retrospect be seen as a smart move on our part.
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Postby jingofever » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:47 pm

At the Unknown Country forum that LilyPatToo linked to, Whitley considers the possibility that his experience was payback for his book Warday. Recently I stumbled across this document:

"we intend to investigate the development of a chemical material which causes a reversible non-toxic aberrant mental state, the specific nature of which can be reasonably well predicted for each individual. This material could potentially aid in discrediting individuals, eliciting information, implanting suggestion and other forms of mental control;"

The semi-colon might lead one to conclude that more follows, and indeed it does, but is whited out. Just a thought.

Another thing I stumbled on, a PubMed entry for a journal article, "Verbal suggestions with morbid content during a deep hypnotic (somnambulic) state." It sounds interesting, but was published in 1962 in an Italian journal. Maybe a well stocked university library would have it, but I am counting more on the usual high level of synchronicity found on this message board. Perhaps you are sitting on that journal, maybe it is propping up a leg of your wobbly coffee table.

Just another thought, how about a thread [in data dump perhaps], a sort of group effort to analyze the MKULTRA documents? Every summary of those documents is filtered in some way, I would prefer they be filtered by us.
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