Shoppers slaughtered in rampage

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Shoppers slaughtered in rampage

Postby PeterofLoneTree » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:13 am

February 13, 2007 - 4:00PM

Gunmen in separate US incidents today have randomly killed a number of shoppers in mall and directors in a boardroom.

In the first incident, a gunman entered a mall in Salt Lake City in Utah and began randomly shooting, hitting several people before he was killed.

"There have been multiple victims and there are some fatalities. ... I can't confirm the number,'' police Detective Robin Snyder said outside the Trolley Square Mall.

At least two people - males aged 16 and 50 - were in a critical condition, a University Hospital spokesperson said.

Authorities had few immediate details about how the crime unfolded but said the gunman entered the mall about 6.45pm local time, Mr Snyder said.

Antique store owner Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman was backed into a children's clothing store, he said.

"I saw the cops go in the store. I saw the shooter go down,'' said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, DC, was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

"Then we heard shot after shot after shot - loud, loud, loud,'' she said. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was safe to leave.

Streets were blocked outside the mall as police swarmed the mall. Dozens of people lingered on the footpath, many wrapped in blankets as they talked about what they had seen inside.

The two-storey mall is a refurbished trolley barn, with a series of winding hallways and about 80 stores.

Gunman kills three at business meeting

In the other incident a gunman killed three people at a business meeting before turning the gun on himself in a Philadelphia office building.

The gunman appeared to get upset at a board of directors meeting for a company that might have been an investment firm, police Deputy Commissioner Richard Ross said.

The gunman also died. Another person was critically injured. Another two men were present but not shot, police said.

The shooting took place in a second-floor conference room in a business at the Philadelphia Naval Business Centre, police said.

Ross described the scene inside the conference room as "utter chaos''.

Police received an emergency call at about 8.30pm local time of a shooting in Building 79 of the business park formerly known as the Navy Yard.

Police said the man, who had a semi-automatic handgun, got into an argument about "some issue about money'' with others at the board meeting.

After the gunman shot the men in the conference room, he shot at police, who returned fire.

The gunman then moved behind a door and shot himself, police said.

Two of the men who were present but not shot were duct-taped, officials said. Ross said at least one of the duct-taped men was bound so tightly that an officer had to use a knife to free him.

Police did not immediately release the names of anyone involved, and were unsure of the name of the company involved.

The Philadelphia Navy Shipyard was one of the US navy's busiest shipbuilders during World War II, but since those years, much of the commercial shipbuilding industry has moved to Japan and South Korea where production costs are cheaper.

After 1970, the yard only refurbished military vessels, and the Navy Yard closed in 1995.

Two years later, Kvaerner resumed commercial shipbuilding in a portion of the shipyard, and other areas of the navy facility have been converted to business and office use.


Sydney Morning Herald http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/shoppe ... 55383.html
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Postby Sepka » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:18 am

This is very much a FOAF report, but it seems strange enough to warrant retelling: An acquaintance reports that her sister's friend works at a restaurant at the Trolley Square Mall called "The Spaghetti Factory". She claims that while the shooting was in progress, the police evacuated all of the adults, but made the children stay in the restaurant, in the care of two police officers. If a reason was given for this, she missed it.

As I said, it's a FOAF, and subject to all the caveats surrounding those, but it seems odd anyway.
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Postby blanc » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:35 am

maybe children there without parents? Can't imagine a parent quietly leaving their child.
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A second gunman?

Postby starviego » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:51 am

They're saying it's only one gunman wearing a tan trenchcoat, but early reports do seem to point to a second perpetrator:


http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5215063
Ron Mason and DeEta Barta: they saw a man coming in from the west parking lot. The man, wearing a dark trench coat.... A woman on the lower level of the mall, near the Black Chandelier store, said she saw a shot and looked up upstairs and saw the gunman. He had a long dark coat. ....

http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_043212315.html
Witnesses say he gunman appeared to be in his early 20s, wearing a dark trench coat...


Well, I guess it could have been a dark tan trenchcoat, but that would be more aptly described as 'brown,' and no one used that description.



http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5214340
After police had shot dead the suspected shooter, police warned of a second shooter on the second floor of the mall.

ksl.com talk radio(from late on the twelth):
"They(witnesses) claimed they saw more than one person wearing trenchcoats."



Two trenchcoats, two weapons, two gunmen.
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Postby The Omega Man » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:00 pm

Early reports on terror ops like these are what counts. They have raw-feed truths and evidence that is later filtered out when the "official" story is created and later propagated. When crimes like these occur it's best to document (transcribe, videotape, record) the telling details from multiple sources as this is the chaos the media accomplices attempt to manage, whilst getting their story straight. Look at every major crime that affects the public at large and you'll see the pattern i.e. Zodiac Killer(s), Manson, 9/11, Columbine , Son(s) of Sam, etc.

According to the stellar reporting of David McGowan, there were an startling number of high profile serial and rampage killers that had worked in teams or with partners that were conveniently swept to the side during police investigations and subsequent court trials despite the testimony of credible witnesses.
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Postby starviego » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:47 pm

Major discrepancy here. A witness says the perp was on scene at the mall 'several' hours earlier(before shooting started at 6:45pm), yet his boss says he was at work until 5pm.


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5226363
Before going on a shooting rampage in Trolley Square Monday night, Sulejman Talovic had worked a full day at his job. Talovic, who was 18, arrived at work at 8 a.m. and left at 5 p.m.....


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5215006
--Jeremy Jensen, 26, of Salt Lake City, at Desert Edge, said he saw the shooter several hours earlier, walking through the brewery. He remembered his long, tan trenchcoat and that he had a mullet midway down his back. Jensen said he saw the man later enter the mall from the parking deck, carrying a shotgun.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5218341
Desert Edge employee Jeremy Jensen looked down from the second floor and spotted the gunman - a man he recognized as a brew pub customer from earlier that afternoon.


Though you can bet that this witness has since been strongly advised not to repeat such wild tales.
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Apropos of nothing

Postby yathrib » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:55 pm

One of the victims of this lone nut happens to be named Hinckley.
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The shooter was a survivor of Srebrenica

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:55 am

Hi all: I found this information remarkable:

CERSKA, Bosnia (Reuters) -- The 18-year-old gunman who shot five people to death in a Salt Lake City, Utah, shopping mall was a survivor of the siege that ended in the Srebrenica massacre of 8,000 Muslims in Bosnia's 1992-95 war, a cousin said on Wednesday.

Sulejman Talovic, who was killed by police after Monday's shooting spree in which he also wounded four people, fled his village with his family during the Bosnia war to Srebrenica, a U.N.-protected enclave, Redzo Talovic said.

They spent two years in the town, during which Bosnian Serb forces besieged the enclave and Talovic's grandfather was killed by shellfire, Redzo Talovic said.

When the Bosnian Serbs overran the town in 1995, taking away and massacring some 8,000 Muslim men and boys, Talovic and his mother were evacuated by the United Nations and later reunited with his father, Redzo Talovic said.

more at link: http://tinyurl.com/ypbrfp


Then read about Srebrenica at TENC, noting that Jared Israel certainly piles up evidence for his arguments and seems to be a quite learned scholar, but I haven't really taken the time to assess this site's "worthiness" as a source:

http://emperors-clothes.com/yugo.htm#8

I don't know what to make of it, as usual, but something seems very odd about the whole story, never mind the fact of the coincidence of the other shooting spree that same day, starting just 15 minutes later.

How are you all "reading" these incidents?
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am I a thread-killer?!

Postby Fat Lady Singing » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:27 pm

Hi all--boy, it seems like 75 percent of my posts end up being thread killers! Sorry to be dead weight around RI...

But does no one else find it highly odd that this young man was a survivor of one of the worst massacres in recent history?-- a massacre that may have been the subject of some sort of psyops? Perhaps he was a witness as well as a survivor? Sure he was a kid, but... I don't know. Maybe he was an MC victim? It wouldn't surprise me if they found a copy of Catcher in the Rye on him. Although, perhaps the signal du jour is something else...like a trench coat.

I don't know. Something about this horrible crime just doesn't sit right with me, and it's not just that it was a horrible crime.

One thing that got me interested was the witness description of the shooter going about his "rampage" in a very calm, controlled manner, with little emotion on his face. I don't know if we just have this view from movies, but I think we expect rampaging killers to have expressions of distorted rage, gnashing teeth, rolling eyes, shouting obscenities...yet this young man sounds almost professional about it.

Either the movies have once again misled us (paging Dr. Wins, paging Dr. Humanitee Wins), or perhaps the reality of a killing spree is simply much different from popular conceptions.
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Postby starviego » Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:50 pm

Fat Lady Singing wrote:perhaps the signal du jour is something else...like a trench coat.

Yup:



4-20-99
Killings at Columbine High School planned and executed by the satan-worshipping 'trenchcoat mafia'
Josh Nielsen, a 17-year-old junior, said the attack reminded him of a violent scene in Keanu Reeves' latest movie.
"One of the guys pulled open his trench coat and started shooting," he said. "It was a scene right out of the movie 'Matrix.' "

2-05-01
3 teens arrested for planned attack on their high school in Hoyt, Kansas. Each possessed a black trenchcoat.

October, 2001
Five teens from New Bedford, Massachusetts are arrested for planning an attack on New Bedford High School, Mass. The teens "are suspected of a plot to shoot faculty and classmates and then kill themselves" on the roof of the school. They wore long black trenchcoats......"

12-8-01
Four young people are arrested in Loudown County, Virginia for the stabbing/slashing death of biophysicist Robert M. Schwartz, 57 at his secluded farmhouse.
"The suspects favored all-black outfits, long black (trench)coats."

10-26-02
Daniel Hawke Fears, 18, Sallisaw, Okla. (2 dead, 7 wounded) He went on a 20-mile shooting spree, apparently targeting people at random. "He's been a rebel without a cause. He was always a loner, and always wore a black trench coat."

6-29-03
Joseph Hunter Parker, 30, killed two people with a samurai sword at an Albertson's supermarket in Irvine, California(Orange County). He was wearing a black trenchcoat and green beret when he was shot to death by police minutes later.

7-7-03
Oaklyn Public School, Camden, NJ
Matthew Lovett, 18, +two boys, ages 15 and 14; wearing black trenchcoats, arrested after they attempted to carjack vehicle; on their way to attack school with numerous weapons.

3-16-04
Josh Magee, Malcolm High School, Malcolm, Nebraska
Arrested after pipe bombs and a rifle were found in his car outside school as he contemlated attacking: "Magee was dressed in camouflaged pants and a black trench coat as he paced back and forth near his car for about 8 minutes."

3-21-05
Jeff Weise, 17, wearing black trenchcoat, shoots seven at Red Lake HS.

10-30-05
William Freund, 19, wearing a black cape and a paintball mask went on a shooting rampage in his upscale Southern California neighborhood(Alisa Viejo), killing a man and his daughter before committing suicide.

11-20-05
Tacoma Mall Shooter Dominick Sergio Maldonado, 20, 6 wounded
Wearing long black trenchcoat when he began his rampage.

2-15-05
Two teens, 15- and 17, arrested for planning attack at Quartz Hill High School, Lancaster, LACounty. The boys dressed in the Goth style, characterized by trenchcoats, black clothing, black makeup and nail polish and piercings.

10-19-05
Lafayette Goth killer Scott Dyleski Convicted of murdering his neighbor, the wife of noted "CourtTV" commentator Daniel Horowitz. Wore a black trenchcoat.

2-1-06
Black trenchcoat-wearing Jacob D. Robida, 18, New Bedford, Massachusetts gay bar slasher/shooter.

3-20-06
Kyle Huff, 28, Seattle rave slayer, 7 dead, owned a black trenchcoat, attacked a party of goth ravers.

5-11-06
Hans Van Themsche, 18, wearing a black trenchcoat, shot 3 people on an Antwerp street.
"It looked just like the man had stepped out of the film 'The Matrix'."

8-30-06
Alvaro Rafael Castillo, 19, Orange High School, Hillsborough NC 1 lightly wounded, suspect's dad dead at home. Wore a back trenchcoat in the attack.

9-13-06
Kimveer Gill, 25, Dawson Junior College, Montreal, Cananda 3 dead, 18 wounded. Wore a back trenchcoat in the attack.

10-9-06
Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO Thomas White, 13, fired a round from an assualt rifle after walking into his school wearing a long, dark green trenchcoat.

11-20-06
ex-student Sebastain Bosse, 18, Geschwister Scholl School, Emdetten, Germany (1 dead, 5 wounded) Wore a back trenchcoat in the attack.

1-19-07
John "Jack" Odgren, 16, Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School, Framingham/Sudbury, Massachusetts
Stabbed a 15year old boy to death in the school bathroom. "Two juniors yesterday said the student now accused of the killing often wore a trench coat to school."
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Postby starviego » Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:12 pm

Five minutes after the first 911 call came in at 6:44pm, four Salt Lake City police officers were on scene and had killed the gunman. They were two sergeants and two detectives. Three of them were also on the SWAT team.
So there is either rampant grade inflation within the department's ranks, or the shoppers just had crazy good luck to get such experienced officers, or..... these guys were prepositioned close to the scene.
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Upon Further Examination...

Postby The Omega Man » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:36 am

Starviego, once again brilliant work. Once one keeps themselves in the know about these events, it becomes rather clear quickly that the Black Trenchcoat Mafia is definitely staged terror, organized by military intel and and strategic elements of the police. The agenda: Gun control legislation through synthesized terror and panic with ensuing public hysteria orchestrated via the media. What you have is random human sacrifices through field-testing young, programmed rampage killers that are set off with some manner of psychologically embedded trigger.

In the background are adults with military and intel backgrounds who are running these black ops within police contained environments. Suseptible young people who fit a certain psychological profile, are being enticed into the folds of this national Black Trenchcoat Mafia network, most likely by other young procurers for the group who act as covert recruiters for adult control agents who operate in cells. In some of the cases, the parents themselves are the control agents who offer their own children up for a material gain or promotion up through the ranks. Examine Columbine's Eric Harris' father Wayne, who had a military background in the Air Force, and was spotted by eyewitnesses who reported seeing Wayne Harris in military dress inside a vehicle leaving Columbine immediately after the carnage.

Black ops has seemed to have alternated the tactics of formerly using adults such as a Charles Whitman, Edward Patrick Purdy and Thomas Hamilton in favor of young people who just seemingly "go off" due to stress and "teen angst". It's easier sell to a well propagandized public, the notion of unpredictible, "crazy youth" who... *gasp* may be even lurking under your own roof! The public is more apt to write that off than the crazed adult who can be tracked due to more compelling social interactions such as work. Youth of the age of these killers come and go as they please, with the one binding exception being school. Which can be dodged easily and effectively if you have tactical assets placed within the schools.
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