9/11: Was it meant to be obvious?

[erosoplier]

As a follow up poll for the "9/11 - was it obvious" poll.

There are so many possibilities, but the fundamental question is, do you think they for a minute intended for "9/11 truth" to become what it has become today? (If so please expand on this thought). Or do you think they thought they could tamp out any fires of truth, and that the truth movement now has them in a distinctly uncomfortable situation?

I really have no idea how things *feel* over in the US (and no one speaks of it in my circle, which admittedly is small, here in Australia), so the question may seem stupid. Is everybody over there well aware that the state of affairs today was completely unplanned? (This would be option number 4).

As an afterthought (I must admit), I was going to add option 5: "My oath it was - they hate us for our freedoms!" But it won't let me add this option. Smart computer!

[MASONIC PLOT]

I think on some level yes, they wanted it to be obvious that it was an inside job, then on another level they wanted us to really believe we were under attack. I think they knew that a segment of the population would see this very clearly as being an inside job, and they were ok with that, they also knew that the average Joe six pack would really believe we were under attack by Muslims who hate us because we are free.

Either way, whether one sees it as an inside job or the work of an outside force attacking us for our freedoms, a powerful message is sent, as intended.

[thurnundtaxis]

I believe that they underestimated the jounalistic power of the web.

...though a nagging part of me keeps crying about James Shelby Downard's "Revelation of the Method" and the Masonic deployment of strategic symbology...

[norton ash]

In other words, a splitter, a psych-out, a spectacle, a secret, a puzzle, a provocateur of bitter fights, and an unlimited hang-out trap for dissidents and movements. I think they knew well that the larger percentage of Americans can't/won't look hard at this, for fear of losing the anxious gravity that allows them to live, work and look after their families; as Bill Hicks said "they have too much invested in the 'ride.' " They also knew quite well that many of us are not credulous and stupid, and that this part of humanity could not be expected to believe such a vast tapestry of bullshit, but would also suffer personally and emotionally from entering new realms of fear, despair, alienation and anger. Many of us have to be two-faced and secretive in order to keep our jobs, and tend to keep our mouths shut about what we really think with our surface-world family and friends. While the Power marginalizes us as moon-bats, many of us marginalize ourselves. My world has become much sadder since 9-11 -- anhedonia seeps in, in the form of "how can I give a SHIT about music, or baseball, or movies or dancing when an Iron Curtain is descending?" Or "Since I don't want to lead and can't follow, I must step aside."

As many "spiritual-but-not-religious" people apprehend God-- spirit is obvious, something is there, one intuits that it has a process or design, it's mysterious, and trying to understand it suffers greatly from earthly obfuscation and controversy. There/not there, and again, very many people can't/won't fully consider or deconstruct what they believe... or just don't think about it.

I can't answer your poll. I have to say obvious/not obvious, and only add that the process and design of 9-11--its anticipated aftermath, and global mind-fuck-- reeks of human evil. Hail Discordia, within and without me.

[darkbeforedawn]

beautiful post, Norton Ash.
How do we live with this knowledge?
How?
Nothing is as it was "before"... and we both dispise and envy those who still are not aware.
I don't think "they" (whoever that is) knew this would be the outcome.
They always got away with it before without awakening the sleepers--why not now?
And who knows? Maybe they still will (but not if I can help it!)

[PeterofLoneTree]

Your question, "9/11: Was it meant to be obvious?", almost suggests to me a MIHOP scenario.

But if the "perps" was a group composed of, shall we say, people other than the gang of idiots we have come to associate with inhabiting the executive branch of our government, then the question takes on new meaning. I recall from about a year ago, reading someone's comment on this board (and this is a paraphrase), "The whole thing was so sloppy, we were almost supposed to see a conspiracy".

Purposeful sloppiness? Yeah, maybe; especially if the guys you've hired to pull a job decide to do a little doublecross. And be so sloppy about pulling the job that the suspicion goes directly to the people who hired them to do the job.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Lihop/mihop is a false duality.

One could probably apply to some in the admin, and another to others...

There are so many possibilities, but the fundamental question is, do you think they for a minute intended for "9/11 truth" to become what it has become today? (If so please expand on this thought).

Yes definitely.

i agree totally with Jeffs latest bit of blogroll. (As in bog roll, an appropriate way to describe alot of blogging tho not all of it. RI and a few others get an exemption, THWC and Brainsturbator among others.)

Is it a sign of health that such figures have elbowed their way to the front? If he were still alive, we could ask Donald Keyhoe. What should we make of their laser-like focus upon Pentagon missile theory and demolition? Why are none of them apparently interested in talking about, say, Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9/11 Commission ("Do the orders still stand?"), and its excision from the commission's video archive and published record? Why are insiders not to be trusted, and their authority rejected, until they begin telling us what some of us want to hear? Then, suddenly, they become guileless figures in the know who do again what they did before: lead us.

I think that at some point this was part of the plan. Either it was deliberately factored in, or as the internet commotion started (back on sept 12 2001) it must have become obvious that stuff would come out. So at the very latest I think there was a plan to coopt any 911 truth movement in place within a few days of 911 if not before the whole thing took place. The next day there were reports of the mayor of Seattle being warned not to travel to NY on sept 11. (On edit - the only ref I can find to this is SF mayor Willie Brown, who apparantly flew anyway. I seem to remember the Seattle Mayor not flying. Anyone else?)

I think personally that 911 is a form of trauma based mind control on a society wide scale. i am not trying to lessen MC victims trauma here either.

It seems to me tho that the event caused an imprint and more than a bit of disassociation in the general population.

In that context I don't think it matters about 911 truth. The movement has been coopted by enough junk to make it impossible to break the imprint. Possibly if Dubya confessed live on national or international tv and said the event and his admin, made him feel so much remorse he was gonna kill himself, then did, in front of everyone, it might have a similar imprinting effect and break the 911 imprint.

But it has fundamentally changed society. The we are one world vibe that built all through the 90s in response to global capitalism, its destruction of societies and people's right's and the destruction of the enviroment in the pursuit of profit, is long gone, probably never to return. Even the massive global backpacking movement by western youth, offensive on some levels, but still fundamental in showing that all people are the same deep down and we affect the rest of the world, has basically stopped since 911.

If it was meant to be obvious that tptb had a hand in 911, that was part of a secondary reinforcing of the trauma based imprint. - "We did this but it was so horrible that we say they did it and you believe us, cos the only other option you have will completely demolish your world view..."

As well as rubbing our faces in it. "Yes we made it obvious, but we are so confident of our power that we don't care if you find anything to show our guilt or not. And we want you to know that just to fuck with your head."

[erosoplier]

Thanks for everyone's responses.

"Anhedonia" - now there's a name for a thing I've been noticing a bit of lately! It's still early days yet, but hopefully in the not too distant future life's little (and big) pleasures will again be fully enjoyable, maybe even more enjoyable than ever for having temporarily lost touch with them.

Your question, "9/11: Was it meant to be obvious?", almost suggests to me a MIHOP scenario.

Yes, I guess I need some practice at asking unbiased poll questions. I was in a mad rush to hit the "send" button for some reason at the time, which didn't help.

[vigilantwarrior]

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[vigilantwarrior]

911 is a form of trauma based mind control on a society wide scale

Bingo. Long after the child learns what will happen in that room is wrong and should not happen she continues to enter the room, because there is no alternative, no haven. The devil she knows.

As our "protectors" are fond of repeating, 911 was a transformative event. This is true on many levels, but 911 was intended mainly as a psychological operation to prepare the public mind for fascistic programming. I am convinced the nastiest part of this business is neither the deception nor even the calculated mass murder (and there is plenty of evidence the dead were deliberately minimized and engineered to approximate the numbers lost at Pearl Harbor), but the brutal "shock-and-awe" display of raw power and control--extending through the ongoing media management--meant indeed to "imprint" the subconscious realization that "they" have "us" by the balls and there is not a goddamn thing we can do about it.

A recent NPR discussion of the Fox show "24" acknowleged that somehow 911 was responsible for Americans' recent "flirtation" with torture. One caller, clearly struggling to put a therapeutic spin on this phenomenon, reasoned that "they" were benevolently allowing "us" the catharsis of watching our "enemies" tortured to relieve our lingering anxiety from 911.

No. We have not only been desensitized and psychically raped, we have been made complicit in 911 and its consequent atrocities.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/army-torture-24/

This is the secret of the "impossibly vast" 911 cover-up. We are all, all of us, even here, the most "aware" among us, complicit, accessories-after-the-fact. Why? Because we "know" and yet go on with our lives within the system. Everyone who lives the Janus-faced existence Norton Ash speaks of who is not bombarding his Representative and local newspaper with letters or muscling his way through Obama's photo-op with a sign or telling everyone they meet--including their employer--about 911 is complicit. The longer we let it go on, the guiltier we are, the less likely we are to speak out. That is how they get away with it.

My family offers shelter to abused children. They have been terrorized, battered, abandoned. They are lonely, bereft of dignity. Their humanity remains, but just barely. The healthier ones are full of rage.

So should we be.

Peak Oil my ass. I will accept no excuses.

What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and yet loses his soul?

Was it meant to be obvious?

Turn this up loud:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGE ... e_pops.wmv