Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project

[LilyPatToo]

soulsurvivor, time discrepancies are discussed over at the Unknown Country board quite a bit--if you go and ask there, I'll bet you'll get a response. (there's a thread called "So just how real is TIME?" in the Philosophy topic area, too)

I got to thinking that since this thread deals with alien abduction screen memories, it might be helpful to post about the one time that I've managed to get beneath a screen memory to what really happened. It's the earliest instance I can remember of finding clear evidence of my being multiple (and being sexually exploited as a result). It also shows how well a screen memory works--until it doesn't and a memory barrier is breached:

It was a morning (sometime in the mid- to late-1970s) when I got up and found an evening purse out on my dining room table that should NOT have been there at all, since I'd not used it in ages and it was kept in a bedroom dresser drawer. I questioned my son, but he flatly denied having put the purse there and I could tell he was telling the truth. I stared at that purse as I went through our breakfast routine and wondered how the heck it got onto the dining room. I KNEW that I'd spent a quiet evening at home the night before--there was no doubt whatsoever in my mind about that--I clearly remembered what I'd done, though that's now faded in my memory. It was something on the order of reading a book and watching TV, though.

When I finally opened the purse, I was stunned to find hundreds of dollars stuffed into it! We were poor as church mice and that amount of money represented a small fortune to me. It simply was impossible for any purse of mine to be full of money in high denomination bills. I felt as if I'd slipped into the Twilight Zone. Was it a miracle? Angels? Guides? I was such a magical thinker back then that those would have been typical thoughts for me to have had, but eventually I rejected them and began trying to think rationally about it. After all, I DID have life-long memory problems and missing time.....

It occurred to me that if I'd carried that purse somewhere, then I'd never, EVER have left my son alone...so I began calling around to the babysitters I used. Finally, one of them said (she was very confused, understandably) that *of course* she'd sat for my son the night before! I told her I was having "memory problems" and asked her if she could help out by telling me what I'd said to her and if I'd paid her.

She replied that I'd been exactly as usual and had definitely paid her. I then asked what I'd been wearing and she described one of the few dressy dresses I owned then--an ecru "tablecloth lace" dress. And that sparked a tiny flash of memory of being in a fancy supper club in Monroeville, PA--! I got off the line with the sitter and, shaking like a leaf, sat down and emptied the purse. As I touched the objects inside, more tiny, tiny flashes of memories flared in my mind--a TV entertainer, John Davidson, singing and then coming into the audience and singling me out to talk to...his hand reaching out to grasp mine as he told me to stand up...the brilliant club spotlight dazzling my eyes.

And an old, OLD man seated beside me abruptly scooting his chair back out of the circle of light--scuttling like a spider! In that second, I *remembered* being sent on a "date" with this man--in his 70's and very rich and very married! I relived my anger as that fact dawned on me and how I had to remember to smile at the entertainer and play along with his spiel, then sit down and continue to smile at the old jerk...who stuffed folded paper money down my decolletage as he eyed me like a piece of meat.

I remembered excusing myself to "go to the ladies' room" and instead slipping out and driving myself home. And all of it was extremely, terrifyingly familiar to me--I knew that there'd been MANY such "dates" and that that was my whole life. Except of course that it wasn't...at least not for ME. So who was the "me" who lived that way? How could I possibly be a call girl and still be a Mom and an apartment manager with a stressful but still ordinary life? How could I have had no memory of this happening the other times it had--what was wrong with my memory?!

Panic completely overwhelmed me and I remember crying and crying with fear that my chronic severe depression had turned into insanity. I knew next to nothing about MPD and I don't remember it even crossing my mind then. That day was horrible and by the end of it I had decided to spend the money on groceries and put the whole thing *out of my mind*. That was how I handled the other horrific, scary parts of my life--especially the endless sexual harrassment and abuse from my violent, sociopathic boss and my son's terminal cancer and my inability to find another job. I just Did Not Think About It. When that defense broke down, I would drink until I could do it again.

Not a very constructive or positive coping method, but it kept me glued together in an intolerably stressful time in my life. And it's strong evidence for my being a programmed multiple--I'm far from the first DID/MPD person who's been exploited sexually. Sure wish I'd known then what I know now, but I didn't have a clue about any of this until 3 years ago. And I wish too that more people were aware of this form of exploitation. But as long as the trauma-based mind control programs' perpetraors go WAY the hell up the political foodchain, that's not going to happen. Program survivors will be labeled "crazy/delusional" and silenced, instead.

I wanted this to be part of the record here, so thanks for bearing with its length.

LilyPat

[LilyPatToo]

More on screen memories, since ALL people who have been abducted by human intel agents posing as “aliens” have them and most of us don’t know to question their accuracy...in fact, most don’t know TO question them. Since alien abduction has been made iconic in our society, people with missing time or with vague memories of night-time experiences with UFOs, strange doctors, etc. simply assume that they’re alien abductees. It becomes, over time, a significant part of the way they self-identify. All sorts of discordant things about themselves and their lives are thus explained (at least to them) and they feel they can get on with their lives with the support of the abductee community (which is intensively handled and disinformed).

There is evidence of intelligence agency involvement in the very birth of the abductee community and intensive input since then, but since the decades-long operation appears to have been very well-funded and is supported by a fabulously successful disinformation campaign, almost no one is aware of what’s going on--neither the abductees nor the general public. In fact, the latter has been specifically encouraged to ridicule, ignore and socially isolate anyone who believes themselves to be an alien abductee...which is perfect for keeping them helpless and noncombative.

And, just in case a few of them begin to rebel and not buy into the “Kindly Space Brothers” crap, the abductee is also gifted with much more mundane screen memories. Kathleen Sullivan is one abductee who has written and spoken about them with great clarity. She now points out their existence in her earliest mind control testimony and carefully corrects the false impressions that her accounts caused. This takes guts on several levels--not only is she admitting to having been fooled herself, but she’s also defying her handlers by exposing their handiwork.

Some of her own screen memories were fairly simple--a sweet treat always followed an episode of sexual abuse, causing her young mind to fixate upon that and, as instructed, to forget the trauma. I happen to have had that ploy used on me, too and while it sounds simple, it is diabolically effective. As she grew older, the techniques for implantation of screen memories became more sophisticated--acted out on sets with people costumed as aliens. Under the influence of drugs and hypnosis, they appeared completely real to her. Now, VR has probably made all that stage-setting unnecessary.

And not all of the memories were elaborate sci-fi, either--sometimes she was given memories of sitting at a desk doing temp work for a former (and complicit) employer or of having gone on day-long garage sale binges (and provided with the “loot” to back it up). These memories seemed completely real to her.

Memory scrambles are slightly different, but work to support the screen memories. In Sullivan’s words:

Scrambles are created by handlers to confuse or disorient the victim, either at the time or when the victim remembers the experience later on. If just one detail of the experience doesn't make sense, the handlers hope that their victim will then discount the entire memory. Or better yet, the victim will talk about the still-scrambled memory to others and will discredit him or her self.

Some of the techniques--hypnoizing her and convincing her that her handler looked exactly like her favorite movie star, or that she’d been in class for hours or showing her a map of where she’d been that had the states and cities in incorrect places--were extremely easy and quick to do. They used hypnotic techniques that had been know of and successfully used at least since WWII to control the “Manchurian candidates” created by Dr. George Estabrooks and other mind control experimenters working for military intelligence agencies.

Owning up to having unwittingly disseminated screen memories and scrambles was very embarrassing for her, but her current view shows insight gained at a cost:

Now I know that the existence of a screen memory can actually be one proof that a survivor has been mentally controlled by a criminal element of our society.

The only “scramble” of which I’m completely certain at the moment is an old one of being handed a Rubik’s Cube on which I was tested (and rewarded or punished) after doing hours of intensive labor that may have been related to code/encryption work. Since the work involved sliding small plastic squares with symbols on them around on a sort of tabletop into which they fit and “clicked” together, the toy was a perfect scramble. I was also sometimes handed small square plastic puzzles that had little sliding squares almost identical to the ones I was forced to use. They even sounded, felt and moved like what I think of as the “code squares”. I suspect that current work like this is done entirely on computers, so the memories are probably decades old.

LilyPat

[soulsurvivor]

The one and only response I have is that I have met myself. Unless and/or until another experiences the same, there will be no true understanding or belief accorded to anything I say. I wish you well in your search.

[LilyPatToo]

That's a pretty enigmatic statement, soulsurvivor--could you please clarify?

LilyPat

[soulsurvivor]

apologies LilyPatToo for not being clearer with my statement. It's this - I have met my inner self. I felt and watched as my inner self raised up out of me when they were attempting to pull the pelvic heart pump out of me. I've explained all of it here, I hope. If you'd like a recount of this experience, then just pm me.

What I'm saying is this - for me, there are no doubts of who I am, what's within me, or where I'm heading. I cannot and would never speak for others, only me.

[LilyPatToo]

soulsurvivor, thank you for the swift reply--I'm on my way into the studio to paint for a couple of hours and I was very confused by your post.

The reason that I keep posting what I've learned about the procedures and techniques used in mind control is not to PO folks like you--it's to try to raise consciousness of it in communities of people who are being seriously jerked around by disinformation campaigns--namely the New Age and the UFO/alien abductee communities. If you're certain that your own experiences are in no way related to what I describe, then my material doesn't apply to you.

Unlike some of the researchers who've shed a lot of light on the intrusion into these groups of well-meaning and sincere people by sociopaths on the government payroll, I DO believe that there is truth behind some spiritual beliefs and behind some abductions/UFO sightings. I'm just unwilling at present to try to sort out the real from the hoaxed from the partly true/partly bogus ones.

Every single day of my life, I read accounts by people who self-identify as alien abductees, for one example, who are describing techniques and phenomena that the intel goons have been able to fake since the 60's-70's. It makes me nuts to watch them enthuse over their "alien contact" experiences that are almost certainly sneering human sociopaths using hypnosis and classified high tech to fake a fascinating cover for their predations.

And knowing that some of the experiencers may be experiencing genuine alien/spiritual contact just makes activism in this field more difficult...as if it isn't hard enough already! At least my talking about this hasn't made you hostile--that's the reaction I'm most accustomed to, at this point. I respect your willingness to listen, even if you're now certain that MC is not what is happening to you.

LilyPat

[LilyPatToo]

I got an heads-up email this AM that linked to a very interesting article on Dan Burisch by Bill Hamilton -- http://www.rense.com/general42/mssy.htm I hadn't realized how much mind control program stuff Burisch had in his colorful career. Here are some article excerpts:

"Toward the end of 1998 Dan disappeared....He turned up half way across the country, with most of his memories concerning his association with me and our work on Eagles Disobey altered or erased....memories started to break through the conditioning to such an extent that Dan fled and was eventually recaptured and whisked off to a military base for re-conditioning.

....they decided to re-wind his memories and return him to Las Vegas under the careful observation of his spouse, who relays all communication up the pipeline, and signs much of her correspondence with her title/designation PsiOpSec."

Hamilton goes on to say that a contact within the program on which Burisch was working died and someone else (B. J. Wolf??) has "gone over" to the Bad Guys' side. I don't know whether Hamilton is a Good Guy or a Bad Guy--he has an Air Force Security background--so, as with all high profile UFO researchers, he goes on my personal "Possible Disinformer" list until proven to be other than a shill for the Controllers, since *so many others* have turned out to be either "dirty" or merely complicit in a passive way by not tagging stories they know to be disinfo-laced.

But to me, with what I've learned of the way that mind control is used in UFO-type disinfo, Burisch sounds like a MC victim who is being heavily-handled--in fact, "brutally handled" sounds a lot closer to the mark. And he may have been programmed to be a perp, too. I know I've mentioned "victim/handlers" who are used against the other program victims they encounter. And, again--I do not hold them as accountable as I do their handlers.

I do realize how my present understanding of UFO disinformation/MC upsets people in this field, but please remember that I was one of you for my whole adult life, up until just 3 years ago. When I began researching the MC programs, though, I kept running into all sorts of references to the way that the UFO/abductee community was being jerked around--and had been since the earliest modern beginnings of the field.

I've noted many times how any researcher who stumbles across the same information and publishes or speaks about it is instantly (and very incorrectly) perceived as a "debunker" and attacked by True Believers. This shows (to me, at least) just how well human nature was and is understood by the Controllers and used against us, to keep us in the dark and more easily manipulated. But most people trying to sound the alarm about the intelligence communities' intrusions into our community are sincerely interested in the truth behind all the "spun" disinfo. I know I am. I *really* want to know what is truth and what is lies--I saw a UFO and believed myself to be an alien abductee for many years.

But we won't find that truth until the predators playing games with us are exposed, believe me. They've already muddied the waters of UFO/alien abduction research so thoroughly that accurately identifying the truth-wrapped-lies is nearly impossible in many cases "Shooting the messengers" who try to bring this mass manipulation to light is NOT the way to go...and I'm not saying that just because I'm one of them Remember that "PsiOpSec" designation for Burisch's wife? Psy ops are being run on all of us continually. The actors change, but the fascinating-sounding disinformation keeps on flowing, no matter what. We are living in a societal control research petri dish and being fed 'empty calories' to keep us distracted/confused, while social scientists gather data on what rings our chimes and what doesn't.

Does anyone know any more than this about Burisch's probable use as a mind-controlled disinformer? I realize that Hamilton is painting it as the classic "Burisch as scientist trying to reveal insider info" picture, but that's got to be THE oldest ploy used to prop up most of the other disinfo boys (and girls) in our field and get us to accept their information uncritically. We all need to write "Question Authority!" on our hands with Sharpie markers and refer to it constantly while reading in our field.

(I'm posting this request in 3 different forums, BTW, in hopes of it reaching someone with personal knowledge or with some links that are new to me.)

LilyPat

[LilyPatToo]

Nuthin', huh? I'm surprised. When I searched the whole board, I only came up with 2 other threads where Dr. Dan Burisch's name was mentioned. One was a general discussion of UFOlogy, but the other had a post made by Dream's End that pretty well summed up my own feelings about the guy:

...if this guy's for real, he'd be quite dead...pining for the fjords...pushing up daisies....having shuffled off his mortal coil....the late Dr. Dan....most likely by a suicide accomplished with two bullets to the back of the head.

It always puzzles me when I see the UFO community accepting supposedly top secret information from people who, if they were for real, would be in deep, deep manure for revealing it. Yet they show up at conventions and give talks and "paid workshops" about what they found out while working in these "beyond top secret projects" and no one from the CIA or NSA or military intelligence seems to notice....What is wrong with this picture?

My other problem with the farther-out stories being circulated by these rogue "ex"intel experts is that they seem to me to have been so obviously crafted to appeal to a fringe audience--readers of science fiction or to paranormal or New Age enthusiasts. I've been reading sci-fi since the mid-1950's and now and then I hear something that sounds suspiciously like a rehashed plot from a potboiler from long ago. And recycled early occult and Spiritualist doctrine, updated with lots of cool quantum theory embellishments is pushed like crack cocaine within the New Age community, where many people become so addicted to it that they probably couldn't live without frequent infusions at this point.

And, to be honest, if I didn't believe a lot of this wasn't being done to cover up intel mind control program operatives preying on "alien" abductees, I'd just let everyone pick their favorite flavor and go for it. It would still bother me that nice people were being fed BS by manipulative sociopaths, but as long as the targetted populations are adults, I'd guess it was their decision what they swallowed.

But the disinfo being disseminated in these communities IS being used to conceal predation and it's being used to keep both the prey and the onlookers distracted and fearful and, above all, PASSIVE. It's not just entertainment to be indulged in and used to escape the increasingly scary Real World. Many of us are somewhat dissociative and fanciful to begin with and that quality is being exploited, I'm beginning to suspect, with definite aims in mind.

And, much as my parents' generation succumbed to pleas to their patriotism and handed their kids to government scientists, some New Agers are bringing their children to the attention of predators by enrolling them in programs that purport to nurture their "hybrid" or "alien" souls or teach them "star seed" or "indigo" lore. The parents' vanity is shamelessly exploited and their natural pride in their offspring is--just as in MKULTRA days--being appealed to in order to locate kids who fit a desired profile. While I don't know exactly what will happen to today's "special" children, I do know that 40-50 years ago the children "chosen" were literally tortured in government labs in research programs so secret that most information on them is still hidden.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee and to put aside misplaced trust and ask hard questions of the authority figures in these fields. They have a lot to answer for, to my way of thinking.

LilyPat

[Trifecta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozCUgqcwsk

False memory Syndrome Foundation

[CreativeWanderlust]

LilyPat-

I appreciate your well thought out posts. I had an idea as I read your posts and that of SoulSurvivor. And, my idea simply addresses the possibility that both of you are correct.

What I mean is- you describe these "sociopaths" as what would appear to me to be "opportunistic" predators. Cowards usually are.

In this vein, I believe that they would most certainly "use" objects and experiences that naturally happen in our world as screens, triggers, covers and the like. So, in my map of the world here, why not use naturally occuring U.F.O. sightings and experiences to their advantage?? What a convenient "screen memory"! This is how I came to believe upon reading your posts that both of you may be correct.

Just a thought.

C.W.

[LilyPatToo]

CW, thank you for the compliment I agree with your idea--I too believe that "they" seized upon elements of the paranormal and sightings of UFOs and deliberately slanted whole fields of inquiry to not just conceal their predations, but also to be even more exciting and addicting for quite a few people who were (up until then) slipping away from the traditional religions' hold on society. There are more True Believers in the average alien abductee community than at your local storefront revival church

Phillip Coppens has gone into the way they first did it in some depth and Martin Cannon, before he was hounded out of the field, wrote a whole book about it. Our own Dream's End is scouting out specific twists and turns of the rabbit hole on his blog and a few--a very few--"experiencers" are waking up and smelling the coffee, half a century into what I now believe was a massive social engineering experiment.

I want very much to figure out for myself what is real and what is not, because I'm a lifelong experiencer of both paranormal and UFO-related phenomena. The other people that I'm currently pissing off by looking behind the curtain frequently forget that--I'm one of them, 100%. I'm just sick and tired of being jerked around and I want straight answers. I was born in 1947, the year that a lot of the groundwork was laid to fool a lot of people in the supposed interests of national security. I'll be 60 years old next week and my patience has run out.

LilyPat

[Joe Hillshoist]

Happy birthday for next week then.

[Onesmartrat]

Wow, I didn't even realize this thread was still here. I think I once tried to post to it awhile back ...or did I actually post to it???

Oh, well no matter. I haven't read all 16 pages I am afraid, but as I am the author of the opening piece (posted by someone now pasting in links to FMS), I feel compelled to state my case on one point that seems to be in contention from the recent posts I have read herein. Not that anyone cares, but I have a rasther high opinion of ...well, of my own opinion ....lol.

On the point of "alien vs. no aliens"...

Yes, there are "others."

No, it is not as it appeasr or is represented to be ...in other words, the "aliens" that most recall during their abductions-mind control sessions are not biological; they are robots. Fancy-ass robots, perhaps cybernetic, but still, they are robots; the are not a race or a species. They were designed by others to do exactly the one things they do; appear as a race of 'space beings" and perform routine "torture sessions" (aka cosmic "research") on preselected and preconditoned individuals who have been "chosen" from birth, in most cases, to be as part of this program.

The "others" are human ...or humanoid, related to us, but perhaps one might say they are our "cosmic cousins." They began as mercenaries for a third party. That "third party" is an element that is entirely so non-human in it's presentation that we, as human beings, are incapable of comprehending it. I mean literally incapable. It can be discerned by those who have been "intitated" but even then it is only through a filter that resembles physical existence and it's extremely stressful (both physically and otherwise) on the human enduring it's presence. So, the intermediaries were contracted as they were related to us; more specifically to a certain tribe and they could move among us and control and manipulate us to the overall agenda with a much more intimate hand.

That tribe was given a "special status" amongst the 'colonized slaves' as human beings were in fact essentially a slave race to beign with, although there is some question as to the origins of the earlier indigenous races that lived unmolested on this plent before the "colonizing agent (s)" came. That they were seeded here by yet another race or group may in fact be the case. Whatever the case, they were difficult to fool gentically so a group from a local recently destroyed planet was brought here, probably in test tubes at first, then bred for work ...and later for the 'colonizer's genes that would biologically drive them to basicallly kill and pillage anyone NOT of their race in an effort to conquer and "pacify" the planet.

The indigenous peoples had to be destroyed and or dramaticaly reduced and gotten out of the way ... which is exactly what happened.

However, these cosimic cousins, who are genetically related to this group, are indeed Human, but they really don't think much of their hillbilly "Earth cousins" other than to tolerate the "elite elect" who themselves consider their blood/DNA tribal membership to, in fact, be superior to everyone else, mostly because that's what their space cousins have told them for countless generations. No, there are no Praying Mantis's driving spaceships or the much touted "reptillians" ...oh, I know I have seen the 'reptillians" myself ....it's damn good technology and, after all, we are talking about people subjected to periodic mental and physical torture. Shit, after a few sessions of high-tech electronics and mind-altering anal probes, you want me to see reptillians and giant bugs running around spaceships?! Hell, I will see exactly that! Plus, as I said, they have some pretty far out tech. Advanced projected "wrap-around" (360 degrees) holography plays a big part in these kinds of abduction experiences.

All 'alien abdcutees' are subjected to intense trauma-conditioned programming/initiation...all abdcutees are Cult "Monarch Multiples."

However, I am not fully convinced that all Cult Monarch Multiples (those subjected to this same kind of Cult-based trauma conditioning/initiation are alien abductees.

Also, it should be undertsood, although I am sure I will get much disagreement on this point, that all "alien abductees" are genetically connected to both the "specially chosen" tribal race (Earth human proxy rulers/controllers) as well as, by way of the cosmic cousin relationship, being related to the mercenary intermediary who is the primary immediate responsible party for conducting these operations on behalf of the third party. The third party actually being the 'masterminds' or chief colonizing agent if you will.

Oh, and yes, earth humans who are of this tribal connection (via DNA) are also invvled in facilitating the abductions.

So, the term 'as above so below' so hallowed in the Masonic/Cult dogma can also be understood from the earth view persepctive as "as below, so above."

Perhaps, that makes more sense to us earthbound rubes attending this cosmic carnival within which we find ourselves perennially trapped in a three-ring circus of our own design.

And yes, in the end, we are, ourselves, the victims of our own delusions, to which those of a more exploitive nature, both extraterrestrial and otherwise, take full advantage.

I hope this little tome clears up any confusion and resolves any further speculation and or argument on the matter.


Que sera sera...

-OSR

PS Yes, indeed! Happy Birthday Lilypat!

[Avalon]

They're gaining time or I'm losing time. I won't even go there. I'm looking at the computer clock - 4:16 pm. Bedroom wall clock (battery, was reset yesterday) 4:30 pm. Bathroom clock (battery, reset yesterday) 4:27 pm. Other bedroom clock (battery, reset yesterday) 4:40 pm. Kitchen clock (electric, reset yesterday) 4:40 pm. Other kitchen clock (battery, reset yesterday) 4:25 pm. Living room clock (battery, reset yesterday) 4:43 pm.

Soulsurvivor, do they at least stay consistent compared to each other, or are the changes at different rates?

When a friend of mine was starting as an adult to explore her childhood sexual abuse, for a period of time at one house where she lived all the clocks were at different times. It was hard to adjust to as a visitor, but she said she and her kids were just used to it and automatically compensated for each room. They knew they'd have to be out in the morning at 7:30 by the kitchen clock, which was 7:43 by the living room clock.

[Avalon]

That "third party" is an element that is entirely so non-human in it's presentation that we, as human beings, are incapable of comprehending it. I mean literally incapable. It can be discerned by those who have been "intitated" but even then it is only through a filter that resembles physical existence and it's extremely stressful (both physically and otherwise) on the human enduring it's presence. So, the intermediaries were contracted as they were related to us; more specifically to a certain tribe and they could move among us and control and manipulate us to the overall agenda with a much more intimate hand.

What are your sources for this?

That tribe was given a "special status" amongst the 'colonized slaves' as human beings were in fact essentially a slave race to beign with, although there is some question as to the origins of the earlier indigenous races that lived unmolested on this plent before the "colonizing agent (s)" came. [snip]

However, these cosimic cousins, who are genetically related to this group, are indeed Human, but they really don't think much of their hillbilly "Earth cousins" other than to tolerate [snip]

the "elite elect" who themselves consider their blood/DNA tribal membership to, in fact, be superior to everyone else, mostly because that's what their space cousins have told them for countless generations.

What tribe/bloodline would that be?

And what are your sources for that information?