Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - 9/11 admission

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - 9/11 admission

Postby jingofever » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:03 pm

LINK

There are probably seven million ways to spin this. I hope this thread will crack into about a quarter of those. Actually I'm not sure why I'm posting this. I guess I feel we are not discussing 9/11 quite enough.
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Postby FourthBase » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:16 pm

My favorite part was "A to Z", lol.
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Re: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - 9/11 admission

Postby Poztron » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:17 pm

jingofever wrote:LINK

There are probably seven million ways to spin this. I hope this thread will crack into about a quarter of those. Actually I'm not sure why I'm posting this. I guess I feel we are not discussing 9/11 quite enough.


Well, that certainly wraps things up tidily. He's responsible for it all.
Maybe he is, but the problem with finally getting confessions out of guys who have been, essentially, isolated and tortured for 4 years, is that the confession doesn't carry a lot of weight.
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If the government stated it was raining

Postby medicis » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:21 pm

and I looked outside and saw it was raining, my first thought would be, where is the sprinkler system,,,


it may be obvious to others but...

what is a "personal representative"?
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Postby 11:11 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:44 pm

The article isn't coming up for me. I keep clicking on the headline, but nothing.

Is KSM at GITMO?
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Postby streeb » Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:22 pm

Is KSM at GITMO?


Yep...

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has admitted responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda operations, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," Mohammed, speaking through a personal representative, said according to the transcript of the hearing on Saturday at the U.S. military prison camp in Cuba released by the Pentagon.

Mohammed, a Pakistani national, also said he was responsible for a 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Center, the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, and an attempt to down two American airplanes using shoe bombs.

"I was the operational director for Sheikh Usama (Osama) Bin Laden for the organizing, planning, follow-up, and execution of the 9/11 operation," he said through his representative, a member of the U.S. military.

The transcript said Mohammed was present at the hearing, which is to determine whether he meets the definition of an "enemy combatant."

Mohammed is among 14 prisoners identified by U.S. authorities as "high-value" terrorism suspects and transferred to Guantanamo last year from secret CIA prisons abroad.

He was arrested in Pakistan in March 2003 and handed over to the United States.
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Res Ipsa Loquitur

Postby greencrow0 » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:38 pm

All three hearings were held at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The three-member military panel hearings, unlike similar hearings in the past, were closed to the media and to the detainees' lawyers because of fears the detainees might divulge classified information, according to Pentagon officials.



Res Ipsa Loquitur.

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Postby 11:11 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:33 am

Look what they've done to Padilla, and note where the tactics came from - MK ULTRA.


The US psychological torture system is finally on trial

America has deliberately driven hundreds, perhaps thousands, of prisoners insane. Now it is being held to account in a Miami court

Naomi Klein
Friday February 23, 2007
The Guardian

Something remarkable is going on in a Miami courtroom. The cruel methods US interrogators have used since September 11 to "break" prisoners are finally being put on trial. This was not supposed to happen. The Bush administration's plan was to put José Padilla on trial for allegedly being part of a network linked to international terrorists. But Padilla's lawyers are arguing that he is not fit to stand trial because he has been driven insane by the government.

Arrested in May 2002 at Chicago's O'Hare airport, Padilla, a Brooklyn-born former gang member, was classified as an "enemy combatant" and taken to a navy prison in Charleston, South Carolina. He was kept in a cell 9ft by 7ft, with no natural light, no clock and no calendar. Whenever Padilla left the cell, he was shackled and suited in heavy goggles and headphones. Padilla was kept under these conditions for 1,307 days. He was forbidden contact with anyone but his interrogators, who punctured the extreme sensory deprivation with sensory overload, blasting him with harsh lights and pounding sounds. Padilla also says he was injected with a "truth serum", a substance his lawyers believe was LSD or PCP.

According to his lawyers and two mental health specialists who examined him, Padilla has been so shattered that he lacks the ability to assist in his own defence. He is convinced that his lawyers are "part of a continuing interrogation program" and sees his captors as protectors. In order to prove that "the extended torture visited upon Mr Padilla has left him damaged", his lawyers want to tell the court what happened during those years in the navy brig. The prosecution strenuously objects, maintaining that "Padilla is competent" and that his treatment is irrelevant.

The US district judge Marcia Cooke disagrees. "It's not like Mr Padilla was living in a box. He was at a place. Things happened to him at that place." The judge has ordered several prison employees to testify on Padilla's mental state at the hearings, which began yesterday. They will be asked how a man who is alleged to have engaged in elaborate anti-government plots now acts, in the words of brig staff, "like a piece of furniture".

It's difficult to overstate the significance of these hearings. The techniques used to break Padilla have been standard operating procedure at Guantánamo Bay since the first prisoners arrived five years ago. They wore blackout goggles and sound-blocking headphones and were placed in extended isolation, interrupted by strobe lights and heavy metal music. These same practices have been documented in dozens of cases of "extraordinary rendition" carried out by the CIA, as well as in prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Many have suffered the same symptoms as Padilla. According to James Yee, a former army Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo, there is an entire section of the prison called Delta Block for detainees who have been reduced to a delusional state. "They would respond to me in a childlike voice, talking complete nonsense. Many of them would loudly sing childish songs, repeating the song over and over." All the inmates of Delta Block were on 24-hour suicide watch.

Human Rights Watch has exposed a US-run detention facility near Kabul known as the "prison of darkness" - tiny pitch-black cells, strange blaring sounds. "Plenty lost their minds," one former inmate recalled. "I could hear people knocking their heads against the walls and the doors."

These standard mind-breaking techniques have never faced scrutiny in an American court because the prisoners in the jails are foreigners and have been stripped of the right of habeas corpus - a denial that, scandalously, was just upheld by a federal appeals court in Washington DC. There is only one reason Padilla's case is different - he is a US citizen. The administration did not originally intend to bring Padilla to trial, but when his status as an enemy combatant faced a supreme court challenge, the administration abruptly changed course, charging Padilla and transferring him to civilian custody. That makes Padilla's case unique - he is the only victim of the post-9/11 legal netherworld to face an ordinary US trial.

Now that Padilla's mental state is the central issue in the case, the government prosecutors are presented with a problem. The CIA and the military have known since the early 1960s that extreme sensory deprivation and sensory overload cause personality disintegration - that's the whole point. "The deprivation of stimuli induces regression by depriving the subject's mind of contact with an outer world and thus forcing it in upon itself. At the same time, the calculated provision of stimuli during interrogation tends to make the regressed subject view the interrogator as a father-figure." That comes from Kubark Counterintelligence Interrogation, a declassified 1963 CIA manual for interrogating "resistant sources".

The manual was based on the findings of the agency's notorious MK-ULTRA programme, which in the 1950s funnelled about $25m to scientists to carry out research into "unusual techniques of interrogation". One of the psychiatrists who received CIA funding was the infamous Ewen Cameron, of Montreal's McGill University. Cameron subjected hundreds of psychiatric patients to large doses of electroshock and total sensory isolation, and drugged them with LSD and PCP. In 1960 Cameron gave a lecture at the Brooks air force base in Texas, in which he stated that sensory deprivation "produces the primary symptoms of schizophrenia".

There is no need to go so far back to prove that the US military knew full well that it was driving Padilla mad. The army's field manual, reissued just last year, states: "Sensory deprivation may result in extreme anxiety, hallucinations, bizarre thoughts, depression, and antisocial behaviour" - as well as "significant psychological distress".

If these techniques drove Padilla insane, that means the US government has been deliberately driving hundreds, possibly thousands, of prisoners insane around the world. What is on trial in Florida is not one man's mental state. It is the whole system of US psychological torture.

· Naomi Klein's book on disaster capitalism will be published this spring; a version of this article appears in the Nation www.nologo.org

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... 580,00.htm
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:59 am

I don't know how to cut and paste from pdf documents, so I recommend a look at the transcript of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad's tribunal.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/ ... 031407.pdf

pp. 5 & 6 list the "evidence" against him: almost all of it consists of computer hard drives, and an interview with al Jazeera, where Mohammad supposedly admitted to being the head of the "al Qaida Military Committee".

The detainee says that the computers in question did not belong to him, nor were they found in his property. He requests that 2 witnesses be allowed to testify, one of whom was present during the 2002 interview with al Jazeera and can vouch for the fact that he never said that he was the head of the "al Qaida Military Committee".

His request for the witnesses is denied. The tribunal does not dispute Mohammad's claim that the computers did not belong to him, but dismisses this and his other arguments as "irrelevant". (p.11)

Then, take a look at his "confession": pp. 17-20.

It's a farce, worthy of the kind of confessions the Stasi was famous for, or, more ominously, the Khmer Rouge. Reading it, I'm revolted and deeply frightened, especially when the bizarre confession is juxtaposed with the straight-faced "news" coverage, as though it all makes perfect sense.

The detainee's testimony that he was tortured, is glossed over and ignored in the news coverage of this kangaroo tribunal, deep in the bowels of Guantanamo's infamous prison camp, where the prisoner was held incommunicado for 4 years.

This whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
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The shizzle is finally coming down on the busholini cabal so

Postby DBtv » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:18 am

Trotting out a tortured scapegoat to CONVIENIENTLY legitimize all the previous propaganda about 9/11 and Iraq is so absurdly transparent as to be self parody by the ptb.

Americans are self delusional enough to accept this as gospel, so it may work, but I am visualizing an awakening in the sheeple that will begin to see through the ridiculous prevarications of the last forty years +.
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Postby Corvidaerex » Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:46 pm

In just a few hours today of talking to colleagues, listening to the radio, reading Fark and some blogs, etc., the response I've seen/heard is either:

a) an ironic, "see? torture works after all!"
b) comically blaming everything else on KSM, including that he fired the US attorneys, screwed up the subprime lending market, caused quarterly earnings to decline for GM, didn't make another pot of coffee, etc.

You're not going to get a "revolution" or whatever in the US, ever -- well, maybe if cable went out for a week straight -- but at least the media people and the "influential" people who make trends are no longer believing all the bullshit fed to them. Open mockery of the "Iranian IED" stuff in the mainstream media was the first real hint of this.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:16 pm

Stranger still, KSM supposedly died 5 years ago:

October 30, 2002: Asia Times
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Using highly sensitive equipment, in April a call was tracked to someone by the name of Arif, living in the densely populated southwestern part of the city. Arif spoke to a Tunisian, passing on a message from Shaikh Mohammed. Subsequently, the Tunisian is believed to be the man who rammed a truck laden with explosives into a Jewish synagogue in Djerba in Tunisia in which many French and German citizens died.

After this suicide attack, the FBI were onto Shaikh Mohammed in a big way, and, no doubt not entirely without coincidence, on September 11 they decided on a showdown at the apartment of Shaikh Mohammed, his wife and child, in the Defense Housing Authority near Korangi Road. A number of Arabs were also living in the apartment at the time.

Initially, the joint ISI-FBI plan was to take Shaikh Mohammed alive so that he could be grilled, especially as he was believed to have knowledge of other al-Qaeda cells in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere. However, as a plainclothed officer climbed the stairs toward the third-floor apartment, a hand grenade was thrown, and he retreated. Reinforcements then arrived, and for the next few hours a fierce gun battle blazed.

The FBI, still keen to take Shaikh Mohammed alive, teargassed the area, and a number of people were captured. However, despite instructions to the contrary, a few Pakistan Rangers entered the flat, where they found Shaikh Mohammed and another man, allegedly with their hands up. The Rangers nevertheless opened fire on the pair.

Later, the Pakistani press carried pictures of a message scrawled in blood on the wall of the flat, proclaiming the Muslim refrain of Kalma, in Arabic: "There is no God except Allah, Mohammed is his messenger"). An official who was present in the flat at the time of the shooting has told Asia Times Online that the message was written by Shaikh Mohammed with his own blood as his life drained from him.

Subsequently, to their surprise, the raiders learned that Ramzi Binalshibh had been netted in the swoop. And nothing further was said of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

But now it emerges that an Arab woman and a child were taken to an ISI safe house, where they identified the Shaikh Mohammed's body as their husband and father. The body was kept in a private NGO mortuary for 20 days before being buried, under the surveillance of the FBI, in a graveyard in the central district of Karachi.

The widow subsequently underwent exhaustive interrogation in the custody of FBI officials, during which she revealed details of people who visited her husband, and of his other contacts and plans. News of the death of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was intentionally suppressed so that officials could play on the power of his name to follow up leads and contacts. ...


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html
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Postby orz » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:20 pm

Unbelievable (in all senses of the word!) Is there anything this guy didn't admit to!?!
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Postby 11:11 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:22 pm

I read the PDF, too, and it was just chilling.
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Postby dranek7 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:25 pm

KSM likely would have said "from A to Z" because he was educated at colleges in North Carolina.

According to wikipedia, he spent a few years at a tiny baptist school. I would not be surprised if he was really a Bush-cult rapturist Christian. I also would not be surprised if he has been dead for years or is still employed by the USG at Gitmo in an advisory position.
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