new book: Oswald did it (promoted in NYT)

[Sweejak]

What I find curious, didn't this report about the bullet evidence come out something like, half a year ago?

[jingofever]

What I find curious, didn't this report about the bullet evidence come out something like, half a year ago?

It was covered here. I guess it is being published in a new journal, so a new story.

[StarmanSkye]

Re: Challenging the FBI's standard bullet analysis assumptions w/r/t
'proving' the JFK assassination 5 bullet fragments were fired from the same gun linked to Oswald --

How can anyone have any confidence the bullet 'evidence' hasn't been marginalized or corrupted? Look at how the autopsy results (and abundant conflicting evidence/testimony) were totally misrepresented (or just ignored) by the Warren Commision and the single-assassin-dunnit special interests, ie. FBI, CIA et al.

After more than 40 years of controversy, mishandling, fudging, cover-up and lies, how can ANYONE be assured that all of the bullet fragments from the JFK hit were even recovered or saved -- or that actual fragments were replaced with deceptive fakes? Besides THAT, one can't rule-out that multiple shooters used bullets from the same box/lot? In fact, professional snipers (ie., Special Forces) typically shoot special custom handloaded ammunition so as to attain the highest degree of quality control, leading to accuracy and repeatability beyond that obtainable via factory ammo manufacture. Its probable that the actual shooters in Dealy Plaza were shooting specially-modified high-quality rifles, either chambered/modified for the same caliber as the Mannlicher/Carbano rifle Oswald allegedly owned/used, or something similiar.

BTW: Wasn't the 'magic bullet' reportedly recovered from the gurney Gov. Connaly had been taken to the hospital on in essentially pristine condition? Which of course strongly suggests it was planted, or else had most of its initial energy absorbed by an object like the limo seat-cushion before it struck the Gov., and thus NOT capable of convoluted trajectory necessary to reconcile the wound/damage inconsistencies that result from trying to explain the single-shooter/two bullet-strikes theory.

But anyway -- Yes, it IS peculiar that Bugliosi's book just 'happened' to be released coincident with this bullet-analysis challenge suggesting the single-shooter evidence via ballistics is NOT conclusive. So the conspiracy 'door' has been nudged just as another major effort has been made (by the Secret Team) to once-and-for-all conclusively CLOSE it. Odd, that.

Apparently not all players are backing the Secret Team's duplicious gameplan.

ie., Truth hasn't become totally obsolete or a lost cause.
That's GOOD, right? <heh!>

[H_C_E]

I was reading about new evidence in the RFK murder a few months back, prior to any knowledge about Bugliosi having written this new book of his. Amongst what I read (I think it may have been at Lisa Pease's site) was Bugliosi expressing his belief in there being some fishy business afoot with regard to RFK's killing. Yet he can't accept this possibility about JFK's assassination? Odd me thinks.

As well, I was at a bookstore last week and was eyeballing a recently released book about the RFK killing. On the back was a blurb from Gerald Posner saying how the book (which is pro-conspiracy) made its case so well it was very difficult to not agree with it. That too was a little surprising coming from another 'Oswald did it' believer.

Why can some believe a case for conspiracy with RFK, MLK, but not JFK?

HCE

[wordspeak2]

Maybe they're trying to draw a wedge between the two- i.e. assassination is real, but not in the case of JFK.
Acknowledging government involvement in MLK assassination another level- that's the one even Noam Chomsky admits to. "There was a motive," he says. But no motive to kill JFK.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

This morning in the SFBay area I heard Bugliosi as guest for an hour on Pacifica Radio's flagship station, KPFA.

The hosts of The Morning Show sat silently as Bugliosi spewed 100% disinfo.

Four phone callers got on the air and only one was coherent enough to say that not a thing Bugliosi was saying was true and that the anniversaries of JFK and RFK's murder were why the cover-up was renewed and mentioned that Bugliosi had written the forward to a Mark Fuhrman book.

This US history, complete with forensic evidence and photos of Lucien Conein and Edward Lansdale in Dealey Plaza, should be tought in junior high school.

[jingofever]

On Hardball yesterday there was a segment on the Kennedy assassination. Links to the video are here on the Hardball front page. David Talbot and Vincent Bugliosi were the guests. Nobody brings up Hunt, not even as a joke.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

The threat of 9/11 truth plus the anniversaries of the CIA murders has the msm throwing a diversionary bone to the new crop of internet 'conspiracy curious' readers.

Who will do the msm RFK disinfo next year? Posner?

Bet it's Fetzer.

[stickdog99]

This nonsense has got me thinking one thing considering the way the boys like to trot out old operatives over and over. Were the Manson murders a state sponsored psyop?

[OpLan]

Rodger D Craig talking about the rifle he inspected being a Mauser 7.65 on You Tube

Here are the newscasters of the day(Walter Cronkite?) reporting bombs not collapse/heck sorry a Mauser not a "Mannlicher-Carcano"

The clips are from a documentary called "Evidence of Revision",which is available on Google Video.
I think its from WingTV,who (I think) have been criticised over their 911 stance,but I can't remember the details of their sins.

Heres a random Scroogle result on Rodger D Craig

[streeb]

Were the Manson murders a state sponsored psyop?

I believe the Manson killings have variously been hypothesised as the result of a drug war, a means of removing witnesses to and partners in CIA human behaviour experiments (Abigail Folger helped finance the Himalayan Institute), or an aspect of 'Operation CHAOS', which is purported to be a Special Operations Group that went after "restless" American youth in the '60s. Whatever the truth of the matter is, Manson's involvement with the Process Church, Scientology, drugs, murder, and (allegedly) kiddie porn is suggestive of a larger story than the one most people know, which further suggests that Bugliosi is something of a cover-up artist.

Please note my discreet use of the word 'suggests'. I'm going from memory here.

[stickdog99]

Thanks, streetb. I figured as much. Does anybody here have a pet theory on the Manson murders?

[robotilt]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR111796 ... id=14&cs=1

HBO, Playtone plan JFK miniseries
Hanks, Paxton set to produce 'History'
By MICHAEL FLEMING

HBO is near a deal with Playtone that will turn Vincent Bugliosi's 1,632-page book "Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy" into a miniseries.

Ten-parter will debunk long-held conspiracy theories and establish that assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

HBO is wrapping up a deal to finance and air the mini, which will depict Oswald's journey to becoming an assassin and his subsequent murder on live TV by Jack Ruby.

Playtone's Tom Hanks and Gary Goetzman will exec produce along with their "Big Love" star Bill Paxton.

The network will make a companion documentary special, with Bugliosi addressing myriad conspiracy theories, including those involving the Mafia, the KGB or Fidel Castro in JFK's assassination.

Project was hatched after Hanks, Paxton and Goetzman had a conversation about the shooting. They decided to look at Bugliosi's book, published last month by W.W. Norton, as the basis for a possible project.

"I totally believed there was a conspiracy, but after you read the book, you are almost embarrassed that you ever believed it," Goetzman said. "To think that guys who grew up in the '60s would make a miniseries supporting the idea that Oswald acted alone is something I certainly wouldn't have predicted. But time and evidence can change the way we view things."

Bugliosi, who prosecuted Charles Manson and wrote the book "Helter Skelter," was moved to write "Reclaiming History" after prosecuting a mock trial of Oswald for a British TV special. He walked away feeling the Warren Commission got it right and then spent the next two decades gathering evidence to prove it.

"Many more people will see the miniseries than will read the book," Bugliosi told Daily Variety. "With the integrity that Tom, Gary and Bill bring, I think that we will finally be able to make a substantial dent in the 75% of people in this country who still believe the conspiracy theorists."

Project comes along as Playtone nears a wrap on the seven-part HBO miniseries "John Adams" and preps for an Aug. 27 production start in Melbourne on "The Pacific," the 10-part WWII mini for HBO that Hanks and Goetzman are exec producing with Steven Spielberg. The Playtone-produced series "Big Love" begins its second season on HBO this Monday.

Playtone is in the early stages of developing as a series the Jeffrey Eugenides' "Middlesex," the novel about a 41-year-old hermaphrodite that just became the latest choice of the Oprah Book Club.

Bugliosi's deal was made by PMA Literary's Peter Miller.

[kristinerosemary]

this is pretty good, i wanted to revive this thread just for today's
letter in ny sunday times about this book

double post deleted after cpu quota message*see next

[kristinerosemary]

this is pretty good, i wanted to revive this thread just for today's
letter in ny sunday times about this book

k



June 17, 2007
J.F.K.

To the Editor:

Bryan Burrough’s laudatory review of Vincent Bugliosi’s book on the Kennedy assassination (May 20) is superficial and gratuitously insulting. “Conspiracy theorists” — blithe generalization — should according to Burroughs be “ridiculed, even shunned ... marginalized the way we’ve marginalized smokers.” Let’s see now. The following people to one degree or another suspected that President Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy, and said so either publicly or privately: Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon; Attorney General Robert Kennedy; John Kennedy’s widow, Jackie; his special adviser dealing with Cuba at the United Nations, William Attwood; F.B.I. director J. Edgar Hoover (!); Senators Richard Russell (a Warren Commission member), and Richard Schweiker and Gary Hart (both of the Senate Intelligence Committee); seven of the eight congressmen on the House Assassinations Committee and its chief counsel, G. Robert Blakey; the Kennedy associates Joe Dolan, Fred Dutton, Richard Goodwin, Pete Hamill, Frank Mankiewicz, Larry O’Brien, Kenneth O’Donnell and Walter Sheridan; the Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who rode with the president in the limousine; the presidential physician, Dr. George Burkley; Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago; Frank Sinatra; and the “60 Minutes” producer Don Hewitt. All of the above, à la Burrough, were idiots.

Not so, of course. Most of them were close to the events and people concerned, and some had privileged access to evidence and intelligence that threw doubt on the “lone assassin” version. That doubt remains today. Bugliosi himself this year joined us, Don DeLillo, Gerald Posner, Robert Blakey and two dozen other writers on the assassination in signing an open letter that appeared in the March 15 issue of The New York Review of Books. The letter focused on a specific unresolved lead, the discovery that a highly regarded C.I.A. officer named George Joannides was in 1963 running an anti-Castro exile group that had a series of encounters with Oswald shortly before the assassination.

This is obviously pertinent, yet the C.I.A. hid the fact from four J.F.K. investigations. Since 1998, when the agency did reluctantly disclose the merest outline of what Joannides was up to, it has energetically stonewalled a Freedom of Information suit to obtain the details of its officer’s activities. Here we are in 2007, 15 years after Congress unanimously approved the J.F.K. Assassination Records Act mandating the “immediate” release of all assassination-related records, and the C.I.A. is claiming in federal court that it has the right not to do so.

And now your reviewer, Burrough, seems to lump together all those who question the official story as marginal fools. Burrough’s close-minded stance should be unacceptable to every historian and journalist worthy of the name — especially at a time when a federal agency is striving vigorously to suppress very relevant information.

Jefferson Morley

Washington

Norman Mailer

Provincetown, Mass.

Anthony Summers

Waterford, Ireland

David Talbot

San Francisco

letter printed in sunday nytimes june 17 2007

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