The Dragonfly Drones

[yesferatu]

http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1278&category=Environment

http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/

Debunkers will be hard pressed to put a chink in this one.

[philipacentaur]

Debunkers will be hard pressed to put a chink in this one.

Are you kidding me?

[yesferatu]

Debunkers will be hard pressed to put a chink in this one.

Are you kidding me?

Actually, yes.
Couldn't find a good emoticon over to the left for my inflection, so I left it. I knew you would ask.

But ya gotta admit. He has more crediblity than T Carter will ever have.

Who has the time money and energy to pull off these elaborate type of things?

This one is well executed. He has wonderful imagination, great science background from the way he explains things, while explaining things that actually do sound ground-breaking in describing an "alien" technology in terms that makes one wonder (like all good fiction is supposed to do), keeps an even tone throughout with matter-of-fact take it or leave it no frills, and hi quality presentation with no metaphysical rubbish thrown in. Hard to put a chink in that.

I think it is possible he may know something about anti-gravity research though.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

I just raced here to post a link to the CARET site and saw that you beat me to it yesferatu!

I just started looking at these but my first reaction is that if this is a hoax, someone has a lot of free time on their hands and a very sharp mind. Just by looking at the alien primer pages, and if it's fake, someone has spent a lot of time coming up with a language structure that appears to be more elaborate than 99% of the ones designed for sci-fi movies or TV shows.

It's gonna take me hours to read all this and understand it so that my internal BS detector can weigh back in with its appraisal. If it's hoaxed my hat is off to the person that did it.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Found a better document from "Issac" sent to the Earthfiles site. Appears to be an official overview of the CARET program, a la the MJ-12 briefing docs. Includes pictures of a black drone and diagrams of the supposed alien "language".

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1 ... nvironment

Digesting it now.

[yesferatu]

another drone pic I hadn't seen. fwiw

[Jeff]

Who has the time money and energy to pull off these elaborate type of things?

Well, I think we all know the answer to that.

I wasn't impressed by the original photos, but it bears watching as it becomes more complex. (And that's just my gut feeling right now: complexity is being added, not disclosed.)

Remember the Frank Fontaine abduction. ("We refer to the operation as an Exercise of General Synthesis.") Even if it's a hoax it could be a significant hoax.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

The pic directly above doesn't look right. The brightness of the light reflecting off the poles doesn't seem to translate to the object. Just an opinion...

Might keep an eye on this guy. Apparently LMH thinks his admitted CG work is the real deal.

http://www.youtube.com/user/saladfingers123456

He's very good, regardless. Check out his UFI (Unidentified Flying Iron).

[Attack Ships on Fire]

So, read over what's been posted by Issac and the discussion taking place on the ATS forum. I'm happy to see a lot of skepticism being expressed over there as well as some good amateur sleuthing starting to happen.

My thoughts at this time are that if this is a hoax, it's a deeply formatted one. A lot of time and thought has been put into not just coming up with notes, explanations and figures but also to generate the appearance that it's legitimate. Again, I don't want to say that it is or isn't real or a forgery but my gut feeling and based on the past experience that Ufology has gone through with the linvestigation of the MJ-12 documents tell me that even if the Issac documents hold up to scrutiny it still doesn't qualify as smoking gun evidence.

If it is a work of fiction it is an extremely clever one. The complexity of the "alien language" is astonishing. The designs are also reminiscent of crop circle formations from the 1990s. The person that made this must have had knowledge of those and incorporated it into their work.

The concept of the alien technology being some kind of holographic nanotechnology, where each system can function on its own but also can be scaled into immensly complex tasks...I haven't read that one before in the UFO literature that I've come across. I admit that from a sci-fi POV it answers a lot of questions; magical ET tech that works when you sketch it out.

Already people on ATS are trying to find holes in Issac's material, investigating whether the font selected in the docs was in use back in the 1980s. It will be interesting to see if any papertrail can be found for a CARET project having office space in Palo Alto back in 1983-1987. I also love the idea of using Silicon Valley engineers, the lords of high-tech back then, as freelance black tech ops. Great idea for a story. There's a number of great ideas in Issac's story, and if it's the product of a hoaxer, it's a shame that they dumped them onto the internet for free instead of constructing them into fiction for sale.

It's the early hours of this new facet of the drone mystery and undoubtedly we'll learn more as the days progress. We all have a right to be extremely wary of anything dumped on the internet showing such extreme sophistication as these docs (as well as the drone photos) show. An increase in complexity usually marks an opportunity for holes to arise in the hoaxer's story, either because their knowledge base will be exceeded by investigators and discrepancies will be uncovered or the hoaxer's level of budget for manpower/resources/knowledge to fake it isn't sufficient anymore to mask the illusion that this is the real deal. I agree with Jeff that if Issac's material is uncovered to be a hoax then my fascination isn't dimished; the next question is to what purpose does one hoax something of this complexity?

[Dreams End]

Don't suppose one of these symbols showed up?

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Dream's End, I haven't seen it in any of the Issac material that I've viewed so far.

Whitley Streiber has fired off a column about the Issac documents that can be read here: http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6293; and a journal entry (http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/?id=288). First sentence of his column: "The mystery of the drones has almost certainly been solved, and in the most hopeful and wonderful way it is possible to imagine." Interestingly Streiber left a post in his message forum saying "I have seen the letters somewhere before. They are extremely familiar, and it is making me crazy trying to remember where."

The ATS group has also found what appears to be a printing residue tracemark in the scanned photos. One ATS member that claims to have experience with the printing process said that this means the creator of the Issac documents must have printed them off of a press at first and then scanned them into the computer. Wheels within wheels within wheels.

[smiths]

ha ha,
not one of these photos is remotely legit,
but from a graphic design point of view they are great

[Dreams End]

Sorry for the inside joke, asof. That is the symbol that the UMMO "aliens"used...the longest running, most sophisticated such hoax maybe in UFOlogy. Despite admissions by the man behind the hoax, people still study the documents which run into the thousands and thousands of pages.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Sorry for the inside joke, asof. That is the symbol that the UMMO "aliens"used...the longest running, most sophisticated such hoax maybe in UFOlogy. Despite admissions by the man behind the hoax, people still study the documents which run into the thousands and thousands of pages.

Ahhhh, that's what it was. I didn't recognize it because my main exposure to the UMMO symbology was seen in a photo showing the symbol on the underside of a flying saucer, and in that photo the symbol didn't have pointed ends. I also think it was a little more rounded but it's been a while since I've seen it.

Jeff, one thing of interest that you may want to check out in the Issac docs is the mention that the symbols give purpose to the material...phrased another way, by drawing certain symbols on the CARET technology it somehow instills the means for the material to perform what the drawer wants it to.

Aside from the sci-fi-ness of the idea, what struck me is the connection to occult symbolism. You've talked a little about this in your earlier blog posts I believe. Suppose occult symbolism does give power to those that practice it because, somehow, the universe is made that way. Isn't it interesting that someone is now presenting a high-tech approach to the same kind of ritualism? That in itself should make the people that see hidden and sometimes occult/satanic meanings in logos new fodder to dwell on.

[orz]

Who has the time money and energy to pull off these elaborate type of things?

I don't understand why people always assume it takes much or any money to do stuff like this??

Clearly plenty of people have the time and energy for all sorts of stupid stuff in the internet! And it doesn't cost a penny to download all the cracked software you could ever need for something like this.

This isn't particularly advanced stuff at all. Pretty nice designs but nothing hard to model, just a bunch of basic shapes. There's any number of student/hobbiest CG artists with some of pirate software and plenty of spare time. I've seen plenty of much more 'realistic' amature CGI than this.

It's a nice piece of meta-fiction, clearly a lot of thought has gone into it but I don't find it for a minute convincing. The 'too good to be true' clear photos are what really lets it down... on the photocopy documents it all looks pretty good but some of the photos are really not very well done at all.

Also the language looks too generic, stock sci-fi style, some elements japanese characters with a few futuristic bits thrown in. The diagrams look really cool in a kind of 1990's student graphic design project kind of way but it doesn't really feel real/functional to me...


To return to "who has the money," ...well, coast to coast AM do make a certain amount of money out of exactly this kind of stuff ...and it is their site that first hosted the photos....