The Dragonfly Drones

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Postby Dreams End » Thu Jun 28, 2007 9:44 am

Without time to dig up sources, I will say that with UMMO it WAS very sophisticated. The man behind the hoax had help...the pages were mailed from many places and he rather obliquely said he received the help of an intelligence agency. It was clear to me and he basically said that it was an experiment in sociology, watching how this information propagated and the dynamics of the believers. Even many scientists were taken in...which was very interesting. I think what would happen is that they wanted to believe so that anything that should have been a red flag would get rationalized away.


UMMO is not the only example of this. UFO cults and "contactee" cults were also either penetrated by or even started by intelligence or military agencies. With the internet there's a much faster spread of these ideas and I guarantee that a lot of this stuff gets put out by government sources (or more likely some private contractors) and is studied just as if they were releasing viruses or bacteria for testing in the wild.

Once "in the wild" other people will become true believers and continue the work of spreading the meme.
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Postby Sepka » Thu Jun 28, 2007 10:21 am

Attack Ships on Fire wrote:The ATS group has also found what appears to be a printing residue tracemark in the scanned photos. One ATS member that claims to have experience with the printing process said that this means the creator of the Issac documents must have printed them off of a press at first and then scanned them into the computer. Wheels within wheels within wheels.


Or, if one wanted to sow confusion, and make a document's history appear more involved than it really was, one could use a fine-nibbed pen to draw a register mark, or even a little bleed or other imperfection on a photograph before scanning it. The process would really be no different than old-style pen and ink photo retouching.
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Postby Trifecta » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:31 am

ImageDragonfly-shaped "drone" photographed by Chad on May 6, 2007,
in Bakersfield, California region.

ImageMore complicated dragonfly-shaped "drone" photographed by Ty B. on June 5, 2007,
near Saratoga in Big Basin Red Woods State Park, California.
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hoax

Postby professorpan » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:53 am

These documents further convince me that this is a hoax.

And to those who ask, "Why would someone spend so much time/money on creating a complex hoax?" the answer is: it's FUN for a lot of people.

I recall reading about a hoax some guys did in the 70s. They created faux monster feet and attached them to the bottom of concrete blocks. They then strapped the blocks on their feet and walked for *miles* along a beach.

When the cryptozoologists arrived, they had a field day explaining how it couldn't be a hoax because the weight of the creature had to be enormous to make such deep prints.

Never underestimate the ambitions of hoaxers.

Whitley and Linda Howe will have to scrape a lot of egg off their faces when this one is exposed.
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Postby Crow » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:05 am

I think that those two are used to looking like omelets at this point.

The docs and the Isaac story look fishy to my admittedly untrained eye. If he was a manager who had spent time at the Department of Defense, surely it would be easy for the PBJ (my new term for the PTB -- makes them sound less scary) to figure out who he was. And putting "Extraterrestrial Technology" right in the name of your super secret group is just idiocy.

Someone at the UC message board pointed out some suspicious aspects to some of the pictures.

According to Master Google, Bakersfield is only an hour's drive from Hollywood and Caltech. That's where I think these things were constructed, if not in someone's basement.

What was the name of that television show that used to be on featuring homemade robots smashing into each other and fighting to the death? The "drones" remind me of them also.
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Re: hoax

Postby Jeff » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:55 pm

professorpan wrote:Whitley and Linda Howe will have to scrape a lot of egg off their faces when this one is exposed.


Some more, over easy:

Streiber: The Drones: Are They Real, and What Do We Do?

Howe: Another "Drone" This Week Near Maxwell AFB
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Postby Dreams End » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:30 pm

If I hear this phrase one more time in this sort of discussion:

(From the Whitley link from Jeff)

For this reason, the hoax issue isn't all that important when it comes to this material. Even if Isaac created it entirely out of his imagination, this material is still real, and it is pure gold.


Please repeat after me...whether or not something is a hoax IS important when assessing its importance and validity.

Sigh.
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Postby philipacentaur » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:33 pm

Huh? What?

Sorry, I was meditating on some crop circle symbols...
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Postby ivanbo2003 » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:31 pm

philipacentaur wrote:Huh? What?

Sorry, I was meditating on some crop circle symbols...


Yeah,that's the funniest stuff i read in that Whitley S. link.Pure gold(in his terminology lol :D )
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Postby Trifecta » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:47 am

Image

Top: Chad's close-up of dragonfly "drone" lettering on long tail section.
Bottom: Rotated 180 degrees in Photoshop so that the center panel reads +x yx7+.
Chad wrote that his images were taken on May 6, 2007, in the general Bakersfield region.


George then typed +x yx7+ into Google. He was so stunned by what came up that he sent me this email:

"Date: June 17, 2007
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com

I looked at pic number 5 (in Earthfiles sequence of Chad photos, 5 has writing on tail section) and rotated it 180 degrees, and then googled the " +x yx7+ " writing on the craft. You must leave a space between x and y. This is the first thing comes up!

PDS_VERSION_ID = PDS3 /*** FILE FORMAT ***/ RECORD_TYPE ...
M p 3 ð 2 ¿ { ¢ / ˜ o ï ' ¡ ® ‘ Þ ’ 3 u Z t µ é V y Ä § O ó f 1 ¾ o j x Ž _ ¸ o 9 Ý $ Ü ... R ·8Æõ yX7+ Û½1hÐ(è¤íÿ몲?8ê»w9ëAHó&@Üo€v ”æ0Ë“Œ ¶zæœ,`Žeê ý… ...
starbase.jpl.nasa.gov/.../clem1-l_e_y-a_b_u_h_l_n-2-edr-v1.0/ cl_0060/lun262/lhxxxxxx/lhxxxxxd/lhd0437d.262 - 22k - Cached - Similar pages


Notice the starbase.jpl.nasa.gov in the URL above and the R ·8Æõ yX7+ amid the long code contains yX7+. The URL goes to information about Deep Space Program Science Experiment, Clementine 1 Lunar Mapping by Naval Research Laboratory - including a series of images of the moon's surface - the Planetary Data Portal (PDP) and even Home@SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence).

Is there a connection between the dragonfly "drones" and the 1994 Clementine 1, or other lunar missions?

Hundreds of people emailed me their own analyses of the "drone" tail and the code in the PDS_VERSION_ID=PDS3 above.

Excerpts from June 21, 2007, email to Earthfiles.com:

"Now look at where the character combination
yx7+ actually appears in the NASA document (use an
in-page search, if your browser supports this). It is
not in the upper textual part of the document but
rather in a block below this which is obviously binary
data of some sort (i.e., it is not meant to be
directly intelligible to the human brain, but needs
some kind of computer program to interpret it). In
fact, this is NOT a normal text document, and the clue
to what it actually is is given in the file header
where it says "PDS VERSION ID = PDS3".PDS, in this
case, stands for Planetary Data System, which is a
NASA proprietary file format for storing space mission
data and which requires the appropriate proprietary
program to fully interpret.

"The file header also
contains the information that the binary part of the
file consists of data from which the interpreting
program can reconstruct three objects that the human
brain can then apprehend, i.e., an IMAGE_HISTOGRAM, a
BROWSE_IMAGE (presumably a thumbnail) and the IMAGE
(presumably a Clementine photograph of the Moon)
itself. In other words, the characters yx7+ in this
document are merely ASCII character interpretations of
what are really numerical data that are part of the
digital description of an image made by the Clementine
spacecraft ...

"While pondering this, I half remembered (here comes
the frustratingly vague bit) a British TV documentary
that I had seen maybe two or three years ago in which
a senior journalist, who worked either for one of the
major flying magazines (Flight International?), or
maybe it was for Jane's Aircraft, set out to prove
that while UFOs are real, they have nothing to do with
aliens but are rather all the products of government
black projects dating back to the Nazis in WWII.
Because of the particular clout that he possessed in
the aviation business, he was able to secure
interviews with many top people in the industry
including one in particular that my pondering on the
drones had brought to mind.

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Re: starbase

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:10 am

Trifecta wrote:
"While pondering this, I half remembered (here comes
the frustratingly vague bit) a British TV documentary
that I had seen maybe two or three years ago in which
a senior journalist, who worked either for one of the
major flying magazines (Flight International?), or
maybe it was for Jane's Aircraft, set out to prove
that while UFOs are real, they have nothing to do with
aliens but are rather all the products of government
black projects dating back to the Nazis in WWII.
Because of the particular clout that he possessed in
the aviation business, he was able to secure
interviews with many top people in the industry
including one in particular that my pondering on the
drones had brought to mind.


You mean Cook from Jane's Defense and Aviation Week and his book, "Hunt for Zero-Point"?
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Postby Crow » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:06 am

Dreams End wrote:
Please repeat after me...whether or not something is a hoax IS important when assessing its importance and validity.

Sigh.



Dreams End, I have admired much of his work for many years, but I think you hit the nail on the head with your essays on Whitley Strieber as a probable MC victim.

I'm curious to hear your speculation, as well as that of others, on Strieber's reaction to the silly-looking "drones," which to me resemble a prop from a high school film project. I'm at a loss as to why he is taking these photographs seriously and encouraging others to do so. To your mind, is this simple credulity, a slow news summer, or something else?
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Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:48 am

I'm curious to hear your speculation, as well as that of others, on Strieber's reaction to the silly-looking "drones," which to me resemble a prop from a high school film project. I'm at a loss as to why he is taking these photographs seriously and encouraging others to do so. To your mind, is this simple credulity, a slow news summer, or something else?


Whitley wants to believe. He's fallen for multiple scams over the years -- probably the biggest being the rationale for the Iraq war. When he came out in favor of the invasion, I sent him a scathing email (to which I received no reply).

And I think Linda Mutilated Cow's rabid support of this hoax may also have swayed him.
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Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:09 am

So uh..what's this thread about?

What's with those pictures of some exotic-looking hummingbird feeders?
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Re: starbase

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:35 am

Trifecta wrote:Image


Oh, and umm..about that funny-looking lettering..Ever heard of the Takahashi brand of telescopes or seen the Mandarin language in actual print?

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