Source of 'Project Blue Book' UFO hoax -Princeton advisors

[professorpan]

During this period Professorpan made forty-five posts.

professorpan has made 1,898 posts. Looking at forty-five of them won't do justice to his oeuvre.

He believes in conspiracy theories, just not all of them.

Thanks, jingofever.

First, I suggest that anyone convinced that I'm a debunker or an anti-conspiracist should check out my blog, which extends back several years -- even prior to the establishment of this board:

http://www.charm.net/~profpan

Or just search for "professor pan" and see what comes up. I've been posting and writing for over a decade online.

Sorry, Hammer, but you are wrong.

Have I said when I thought someone's ideas or theories or facts were wrong? Most definitely. That's part of what constitutes a DISCUSSION board. And if it comes across as sneering, snide, assholish, or rude, I suggest that much of what is ascribed to me is in the eye of those offended at having pet beliefs challenged.

I quoted Robert Anton Wilson on my blog, and I think the excerpt sums up the way I approach conspiracy theory (or anything else, for that matter):

In a 2003 interview with High Times magazine, RAW described himself as a "Model Agnostic" which he says "consists of never regarding any model or map of the universe with total 100% belief or total 100% denial. Following Korzybski, I put things in probabilities, not absolutes... My only originality lies in applying this zetetic attitude outside the hardest of the hard sciences, physics, to softer sciences and then to non-sciences like politics, ideology, jury verdicts and, of course, conspiracy theory."

I'm not anti-conspiracy. That would be like being "anti-secrets." An absurdity. Conspiracies happen all the time, from the forces that killed JFK and his brother to the meth dealer down the street setting up a sale.

I am anti-foolishness. And anti-stupidity. And anti-sloppy thinking. If that bothers you, then put up or shut up. If I'm full of shit, explain to me why I'm full of shit.

But if you're pissed because you pet theory takes a licking, then it's time to examine your emotional investment in said theory.

[professorpan]

can you say owned.

Pardon me while I wipe the tears from my keyboard.

[orz]

can you say owned.

You can, but it's kind of lame and embarrasing. Why not post a LOLcat macro while you're at it.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Why is the hoax called 'Majestic 12' said to begin on September 24, 1947?

I posted this as a thread recently saying it looked very much like an inside joke for the disinfoteers making this stuff up but no one noticed.
Maybe pan would appreciate the sense of humor displayed-

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/172/1/185.pdf

DETERMINATION OF PLUTONIUM IN HUMAN FECES

"(Received for publication, September 24, 1947) ... completely dry, after about 24 hours, the sample is heated over a Bunsen ..."

There's nothing I post on psy-ops that pan doesn't declare insignificant of anything, a mere coincidence, old news, illogical, just words, etc.

His denial that the White House-linked Johnson Group's documentary about paperclips commemorating the Holocaust being marketed to public schools is a blatant keyword hijacking of the Project Paperclip that brought Nazis to the US...is truly amazing.

His denial that a reich-wing media flap starting 1/29/05 over Ward Churchill's 9/12/01 comment about "little Eichmann's" which barely preceded the 2/4/05 release of documents tying CIA to Eichmann's staff...is truly amazing.

His denial that the 1975 Robert Redford movie 'Three Days of the Condor' was a misdirect away from the US-backed terrorist plan that included the 1973 coup in Chile...is truly amazing.

I've shown how a Pentagon psy-ops program called Project Camelot from the 1960s is being hijacked by a UFO group calling itself Project Camelot.

I've shown how the cranked electric phone used to torture people and nicknamed 'the Tucker Telephone since it was used at Tucker State Prison Farm was the reason for the movie 'Tucker' and probably for the recent movie 'John Tucker Must Die.'

And on and on and on. There are many many examples of keyword hijacking,
misdirection, and conditioning.

I've linked several movies to assassination hearings like 'The Shaggy D.A.,' 'Winter Kills,' and 'Absence of Malice' in 1976, 1979, and 1981 respectively.

The CIA financed the animated 'Animal Farm' film in the 1950s because indoctrinating kids was part of the new Total War doctrine.
http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2007/06/cias-animal-farm.html

'Broken Arrow' is the Pentagon's code for a nuclear weapons accident.
In February 1950 there was a terrible plane crash with missing men and nukes.
It got into a New York paper as just some kind of mysterious cover-up.

The movie 'Broken Arrow' came out in August 1950 as a Jimmy Stewart western.


This movie was just rereleased on DVD a few days ago.
http://www.vh1.com/movies/movie/4569/moviemain.jhtml

After a few more years of even more nuke accidents a TV series called 'Broken Arrow' ran from 1956-1960 complete with a 1957 children's book of that title based on the show published by Golden Books which also put out Disney books.
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Arrow-Little-Golden-Books/dp/B000MHKD4O/ref=sr_1_42/002-7711532
-4340025?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183184530&sr=1-42[/url]

Disney was busy conditioning kids to accept nuclear technology using the help of (the original) Project Paperclip scientists like Heinz Haber and working with nuclear submarine maker General Dynamics promoting 'the peaceful atom' and making re-election films for Eisenhower in 1957.
http://www.awn.com/mag/issue3.1/3.1pages/3.1langerdisney.html

Another plane crash with nukes and a dangerous search for them happened near the north pole in early 1968. That was the year that we got to watch 'Ice Station Zebra,' a mirror of the accident.

A 1996 John Travolta movie called 'Broken Arrow' had a plane crash with nukes but it turns out to be a fake crash, no worries there. Lots of fist-to-face violence and Travolta smoking. Someone at Big Tobacco made a good buy in the early butt prohibition days.
The real theme of the 1996 movie was stopping nuclear terrorists which was a good pitch back in the days when the military-industrial-media complex was under the dire threat of 'the peace dividend.' There wasn't a new nuke program to sell as there is today.
http://www.splicedonline.com/96reviews/brokenarrow.html

Pondering the decoy Holocaust memorial film 'The Paperclip Project' being marketed to US public schools to pre-bias young brains against the US-Nazi history that even Jack Anderson wrote up in his column in 1971, I wondered whether any 'Broken Arrow' film is being made for US public schools. Kids might not like the idea of nuclear weapons accidents while a whole new generation of them is being made by BushCo.

Well, look at this-





http://www.prideofbrokenarrow.com/order.htm

This was the director's first film in 2003 and Matt Maddox has gone on to work on some feature films.

This very militant can-do feel-good 'Pride of Broken Arrow' movie looking like Special Forces with horns and sheet music may just be a coincidence. But the effect of the emotional association with the keywords on youth is a very real phenomenon which is used all the time to market pretty much everything.

I hear it works on adults, too. Look into that, pan.

[orz]

Hugh, intereresting stuff but you haven't answered my question. I'll rephrase it:

How do you determine that a piece of pop culture is not a KH?

for example What criteria would you require to concede that a film named or related to the words 'broken' and 'arrow' was named so without the intentione of hijacking the word?

[jingofever]

The 1950 movie, Broken Arrow, is about Indians and Whites becoming friends. The title refers to Indians using broken arrows to signify peace. What is the significance of the plutonium paper besides the date?

[Crow]

And what about the Rod Stewart song?

All joking aside, I appreciate the original work that Hugh is doing here and, in a few of his examples, I think he is on to something with keyword hijacking.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

The 1950 movie, Broken Arrow, is about Indians and Whites becoming friends. The title refers to Indians using broken arrows to signify peace.

Exactly right. Instead of 'Broken Arrow' being a terrifying artifact of nuclear war, it is transformed instead into a feel-good peace symbol.

Uh, thanks for pointing that. (Did you think I didn't know or that this refutes the hijacking?)

What is the significance of the plutonium paper besides the date?

Two things:
1) I don't think people want to know that there IS plutonium in human feces. Just guessing but..

2) The people who started the CIA disinfo campaigns were Ivy League elitists mandated to fool the hoi polloi with mystical wonderment from afar. I've studied the sociology of the people who started OSS/CIA and the Ivy League culture they recruited from.

Ex-CIA whistleblower John Stockwell wrote of how a sense of humor was sometimes the reason for choice of code names for people or operations.

So I've applied a little personality/context profiling of the disinfoteer class and surmised that they used a date that referred to human feces partly as an inside joke on pulling one over on 'those rubes' with a cloaked referrence to what we call "bullshit."

No, I haven't 'proven' it. I've put it in the context of many other things.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Hugh, intereresting stuff but you haven't answered my question. I'll rephrase it:

How do you determine that a piece of pop culture is not a KH?

for example What criteria would you require to concede that a film named or related to the words 'broken' and 'arrow' was named so without the intentione of hijacking the word?

orz, not all single instances of keyword hijacking are distinguishable from the wordplay used in commerce.

Some stand out so far above others, though, that they establish a precedent.
Like the
>Paperclip Project/Project Paperclip
>Eichmann's staff/little Eichmanns
>D.A. Garrison/The Shaggy D.A.
>Tucker telephone torture device/ Tucker the movie
>Operation Condor/ Three Days of the Condor
etc.

When sixty years of pop cultural keywords are matched to poltical events and many examples are time-correlated, the pattern is well established as a misdirection tactic.

The number of media products has gone way up and made it easier to hide KH in among the imitators who draft behind market leaders like Disney. When Disney puts out a pirate movie other publishers follow suit and every book store in the country makes a kiosk of every pirate book they can find.

Thus does the market leader obtain what the Pentagon calls "force magnification."

In the 1950s-1970s there were fewer media products and the KH was easier to identify.

So if you want a hard and fast rule, I'd say look at what the government wants to hide and then see if there is a mirror with keywords and perhaps even a high time correlation such as FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds getting mirrored in a Nicole Kidman movie called...'The Translator.'

That illustrates a high cover-up value and a high time correlation.
But even obscure KH is done because there is lots of room in the market for disinfoteers with a paycheck to justify to just throw stuff against the public wall to keep their jobs and maybe get promoted.

Does that answer your question? I'm trying to.

[orz]

Does that answer your question? I'm trying to.

Yeah thanks, that helps. It is pretty much entirely confirmation bias then. Thanks, I wasn't sure.

[jingofever]

The 1950 movie, Broken Arrow, is about Indians and Whites becoming friends. The title refers to Indians using broken arrows to signify peace.

Exactly right. Instead of 'Broken Arrow' being a terrifying artifact of nuclear war, it is transformed instead into a feel-good peace symbol.

Uh, thanks for pointing that. (Did you think I didn't know or that this refutes the hijacking?)

What is the significance of the plutonium paper besides the date?

Two things:
1) I don't think people want to know that there IS plutonium in human feces. Just guessing but..

2) The people who started the CIA disinfo campaigns were Ivy League elitists mandated to fool the hoi polloi with mystical wonderment from afar. I've studied the sociology of the people who started OSS/CIA and the Ivy League culture they recruited from.

Ex-CIA whistleblower John Stockwell wrote of how a sense of humor was sometimes the reason for choice of code names for people or operations.

So I've applied a little personality/context profiling of the disinfoteer class and surmised that they used a date that referred to human feces partly as an inside joke on pulling one over on 'those rubes' with a cloaked referrence to what we call "bullshit."

No, I haven't 'proven' it. I've put it in the context of many other things.

I doubt keyword hijacking can be refuted, but maybe we can consider more plausible explanations. Your keyword hijacking theory is too postmodern for me. It is like deconstruction, I just don't get it.

About that paper, it would be remarkable if a Google search for "September 24, 1947" pulled up on the first page the very paper that was used to date the Majestic 12 documents. Other papers were received for publication on that date:

On Infinities in Generalized Meson-Field Theory
Microwave Spectra and Zeeman Effect in a Resonant Cavity Absorption Cell
Comparison of Vitamin a Liver Storage Following Administration of Vitamin a in Oily and Aqueous Media
[url=http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0080-4630(19480318)192%3A1031%3C518%3ATOOGF%3E2.0.CO%3B2-I]The Oxidation of Gaseous Formaldehyde[/url]
Supplemental Value of Certain Amino Acids for Beef Protein
The Use of Penicillin in Oil and Wax in Children

So there is a little more context.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Does that answer your question? I'm trying to.

Yeah thanks, that helps. It is pretty much entirely confirmation bias then. Thanks, I wasn't sure.

No, there's testimony of ex-CIA whistleblowers who've described disinfo programs and there's also old budget info on how much the CIA spends on disinfo. For instance.
Lots of things to study to find the history and tactics of psy-ops and then the events themselves become much more apparent.

But you aren't really interested enough to do the research.
You just want me to hand it to you in a post or it doesn't exist to you.

So try some other topic you are good at. Everybody's good at something, orz.

[orz]

You just want me to hand it to you in a post or it doesn't exist to you.

No, I want you to stop handing it to me!

"it" being absurd, unfounded, unfeasible assertions "backed up" by copypaste dumps from perfectly valid and interesting historical research which IN NO WAY actually proves the specific claim you are making.

AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN

For instance; yes the CIA were involved in the Animal Farm animated feature. No this does NOT prove that Pixar hire their voice actors because their names are the same as historical figures.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

For instance; yes the CIA were involved in the Animal Farm animated feature. No this does NOT prove that Pixar hire their voice actors because their names are the same as historical figures.

How many pieces to a puzzle does it take you to clearly see the picture?
You're demanding...proof? Of covert ops? Why? THAT is not rational.

Means-motive-opportunity-precedent-evidence. That's the formula for detecting an covert operation or a crime.

Should I collect the thousand plus posts on the topic, each with a number of the pieces so that you have several thousand dots in one place?

Or do you want a jpg of a signed contract and a psy-ops goal typed in?
How many decades of precedent would you like lined out?

There's an old soldier's adage:
"Once is an event, twice is a coincidence, three times is enemey action."

Question, orz-
How do you yourself distinguish between coincidence and "enemy action?"

[orz]

You're demanding...proof? Of covert ops? Why? THAT is not rational.

No, I'm demanding theories that MAKE A JOT OF SENSE. Is that so much to ask?

You just don't get it.