David Icke is right: Poll

[Wombaticus Rex]

I'm not sure I picked up on Icke's idea of us watching a movie projection.
I know about future events echoing back causing some psychic thoughts,
about DMT being infra red goggles possibly, but never heard this.
Tho, I love Icke's deep questioning of reality.

Well, it's basically the Cave of Plato, only with a movie projector. I wouldn't exactly give credit for that metaphor to Icke.

[theeKultleeder]

I believe i actually saw a lizard-person one night. I was at the neighborhood convenience store, a couple miles away from the community mental-health services facility, and there was a woman, recently released from said facility, sitting on the ledge. She needed bus fare. I spoke to her a bit. The closer I got, the more her skin seemed to shimmer in a leathery brilliance. I thought maybe scales were popping out of her flesh. It seemed to be moving.

I dunno. Either she had a skin condition or she was a lizard person not of the powerful class. Maybe her form was mixed, because she wouldn't be on the streets alone if she needed a blood-drinking cabal to hold her human form.

My impression of her was that she was different. Maybe just crazy, maybe a forgotten hybrid, left to suffer on the streets as so many humans are. One of the things about Icke that makes me smile is he has said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilians as a race - some are good and some are bad.

Weird, entertaining, thought-provoking... who knows?

[philipacentaur]

One of the things about Icke that makes me smile is he has said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilians as a race - some are good and some are bad.

"Oh, don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Reptilians, but..."

[Et in Arcadia ego]

This reminds me of the posit that "fallen Elohim"/fallen angels/etc only look like aliens/UFOs/monsters to people but in reality are said at least in mythology to look like big Nordic men. I think Stitchin claims even the Sumer's believed the "fallen God men" merely looked like big men, and not some scaly reptillian beings.

Red hair and double rows of teeth!

[theeKultleeder]

One of the things about Icke that makes me smile is he has said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilians as a race - some are good and some are bad.

"Oh, don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Reptilians, but..."

Whatever. show me Icke is a Supremacist and I'll abandon that line of inquiry completely.

"Some of my best friends are white, but one of them is Hitler."

[Attack Ships on Fire]

I've read about Icke and watched a few of his shows to try and make some sense of it all. I think his strongest material is the evidence he shows of the world leaders and VIPs manipulating society. Unfortunately, the more strange Icke's ideas are, the less I have seen of good evidence supporting his theories. While I feel good about his idea that we're all infinite consciousness and go on, what evidence does he have for this theory beside touching upon the Holographic Universe theory by Mandrake? Furthermore I have never seen Icke give an explanation as to how he came about believing the Windsors, the Bushes and the others like Kris Kristofferson are reptilian shapechangers; the only connection I can find is the stuff that Cathy O'Brien has claimed. That's not good enough for me to swallow Icke's theory that these people are some kind of ETs of a sort. He needs to explain it a lot better than that. There's lots of damning material that shows these people as sociopathic bastards but as reptoids? Show me the scales, David. I'd love to hear a detailed explanation for how you came to believe this portion of your grand model of reality.

[Penguin]

Have you seen the episode of CSI Las Vegas that had a plot about people being decapitated because a group believed that some people are really reptilians? The stuff was straight out of Icke..Thou they had named the scientist whose videos influenced the group as something else than Icke, for obvious reasons. And the whole group of believers was pictured as ... nutcases of course.

Thou Gil Grissom was (characteristically) interested in the workings of the mind of the guy whose theory it was, who was not involved in the polt in any other way, he was only shown on the tape giving a lecture about these reptilian shape shifters.

And about Icke...Ive read most of his books, and I think he has lots of good stuff - but then again he saws off the branch he is sitting on at other times. And I get kind of a similar feeling of him as I get from some TV envangelists - and that is not a good thing Also, the evidence part is sadly lacking most of the time. And most of the good stuff isnt original, but is also presented by other people in a more -- rational? way.

But what comes to multiverses, quantum realities and other dimensions, and psychic phenomena - hell yeah, anyone who has done their psychedelics seriously knows this much to be true in some way. And I know people who have never touched even beer but are ardent meditators, who confirm similar experiences.

Also a book worth mentioning on this subject is "DMT - The Spirit Molecule" by Richard Strassman. A book about the only series of clinical studies ever done with injected DMT. Mindblowing stuff...Only caveat is that apparently the book has received a grant from some Masonic lodge - what this means is unclear to me as Im not that much of an expert on their workings- maybe its innocuous, or maybe they would have liked to benefit in some way from Strassmans study - which he ultimately ended when his Buddhist acquaintances warned him that his experiments and subjects were about to be abused by some dark powers, wanting to gain entrance to our reality thru his test subjects on DMT.

A must read anyway. I have the book as pdf, you can ask me for a copy by PM.

Ah, fond the episode...722. Leapin' Lizards (May 03 2007)
SYNOPSIS: The CSIs discover that several suspects in a woman's murder are members of a bizarre UFO club who believe that shape-shifting reptile-like aliens have mated with humans for centuries as a means of conquering the human race.

This is not the first time this series has introduced conspiracy themes in its plotlines...I like the series yes, thou Im always on the lookout for what the hell it is they want to feed me this time, shit or razors

[8bitagent]

Again, I think Icke is only wrong in the context of what he called "Reptillians".

This is an excellent, albeit Christian slanted article on the dark ugly truth of what people call "UFOs" or "aliens"

http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Transcripts/ufo_1.htm

People talk about the elites, the nwo...well, who...or what, is above them?

I get a good feeling from Icke, tho it worries me how much he's tied in with new age groups that seem to really like him.

The new age movement clearly seems like the trojan horse of the nwo.

[Penguin]

Yes, 8bitagent, this exactly is my gut feeling also.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Gut feelings are useless in the face of real data. Show me a lizard man and I'll jump on board like every other xenophobe would.

Its been a couple years since I found it, but I ran across a really great article from a psychologist(I believe; its been some time). Basically, the gist of it was referencing a historical phenomenon where the further the divide between the rich and the poor, the greater the alienation on the part of the poor to the point of no longer perceiving the upper echelons as human. The study illustrated several historic examples, and used Icke as the modern one.

I wish I could find it again; it was fascinating stuff.

[Wombaticus Rex]

People talk about the elites, the nwo...well, who...or what, is above them?

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE PERVASIVE USE OF SPATIAL METAPHORS TO DISCUSS POLITICS HANDICAPS THE DISCUSSION.

Are you imply that the facist power structure of the Western world is "run" by the same non-human intelligence that Dolan, Vallee, Keel, Greenfield, Crowley, Hansen, and dozens of others study?

I think that's absurd.

I think that's characterizing the most baffling, alien phenomenon on Earth as some sort of saturday morning cartoon bad guy.

I think that's ascribing more power to the "NWO" than they deserve -- they're already control of militaries, media, schools...now we're going to just assume they're taking orders from non-local, non-human intelligences, too?

I think the NWO is more afraid of non-human intelligence than we are.

[jingofever]

I think that's ascribing more power to the "NWO" than they deserve -- they're already control of militaries, media, schools...now we're going to just assume they're taking orders from non-local, non-human intelligences, too?

But after all, isn't that what the Invisibles taught us? Oh wait, we're talking about V.

[philipacentaur]

One of the things about Icke that makes me smile is he has said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilians as a race - some are good and some are bad.

"Oh, don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Reptilians, but..."

Whatever. show me Icke is a Supremacist and I'll abandon that line of inquiry completely.

"Some of my best friends are white, but one of them is Hitler."

Joke!

[theeKultleeder]

One of the things about Icke that makes me smile is he has said he doesn't want to demonize the Reptilians as a race - some are good and some are bad.

"Oh, don't get me wrong; some of my best friends are Reptilians, but..."

Whatever. show me Icke is a Supremacist and I'll abandon that line of inquiry completely.

"Some of my best friends are white, but one of them is Hitler."

Joke!

[theeKultleeder]

People talk about the elites, the nwo...well, who...or what, is above them?

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE PERVASIVE USE OF SPATIAL METAPHORS TO DISCUSS POLITICS HANDICAPS THE DISCUSSION.

Are you imply that the facist power structure of the Western world is "run" by the same non-human intelligence that Dolan, Vallee, Keel, Greenfield, Crowley, Hansen, and dozens of others study?

I think that's absurd.

I think that's characterizing the most baffling, alien phenomenon on Earth as some sort of saturday morning cartoon bad guy.

I think that's ascribing more power to the "NWO" than they deserve -- they're already control of militaries, media, schools...now we're going to just assume they're taking orders from non-local, non-human intelligences, too?

I think the NWO is more afraid of non-human intelligence than we are.

Maybe more true than we want to admit, Wombat. I will admit I believe that there are telepathic networks or astral complexes and forms that link people who operate on the same vibe. Rupert Sheldrake or CG Jung might have a remark or two to make on that belief.

But what you're saying is that the sickest evil beings on the planet are only... human. All that follows from that is hard to confront. Is it only Lord Acton's dictum: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." But then, is it only amoral ubermenschen who can really succeed in life? Acton also said, "Great men are almost always bad men."

I think there is a case for ultraterrestrial linkages in the local telepathic net. But maybe I'm just seeing archetypes in place of human depravity.