Fuck Ron Paul

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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:46 pm

This thread is full of so many lies, so much distoration and bullshit, I can't even bother to invest the energy to pull up the facts to refute it all. It doesn't much matter, though, because the posters who are doing this will never be supporting Ron Paul or the Constitution, anyway.


I am not sure if I am one of the folks youre referring to or not but let me be clear I am not trying to slander Ron Paul at all. I am merely saying that his ideas are the same ideas that the corporate fascists want. He may want those things for an entirely different reason than they do but as far as I can see they are using his platform to push their own agenda into the forefront of mainstream media.

Lets be honest here also. Do you think that if Paul wins the corporate empire that they have worked so hard to build is just going to crumble? They have worked for many many decades towards their goals and nobody, no matter who it is, is going to stop them. The only chance we have to stop it now is mass revolt in the streets and with their new directed energy weapons ( google active denial system) that may not even work anymore. I can assure you voting will never change anything no matter who you vote for their agenda will go forward. I HATE to say that because I am actually a very optimistic kind of guy but you cannot let optimism blind you from reality.
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Postby 11:11 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:11 pm

No, MP, I'm not referring to you. I know you're sincere. And, I agree about a revolt. No, I don't believe the kleptocracy will stand by and do nothing in the face of someone like Ron Paul (and he is NOT for subsidizing them or anyone). They'll try to kill him first. As for voting, each has to decide for themselves. Better to show up at the polls and PROTEST the rigged elections, than to remain silent. Get with the Black Box Voting people, and DO SOMETHING.

Each of us should choose which course of action we
must take; education, conventional political action,
or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about
necessary changes, but let it not be said that we
did nothing
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- Ron Paul


And, btw, it was Diebold machines used in the Iowa straw poll that gave Romney his big win. It was a Romney staffer in charge of the Diebold machines. Over 24,000 tickets (required to vote) were sold, but only 14,000 votes were counted.

When Ron Paul was excluded from the Iowa debates, he held his own rally, immediately following. More people turned up for that than to see all of the other candidates combined.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:40 pm

You are correct. Diebold is a major problem. If what you say about Romney is correct. and I have seen evidence that it is, then it is likely he has the Diebold advantage in his pocket. The CEO of Diebold Incorporated is none other than the former Ohio Republican party chairman. That could push Romney over the top, although I think the presidency has already been promised to Hillary/Obama, a nightmare in its own right.

Ron Paul is a very likeable guy, there are some things about him that make me pause but overall I think he is a pretty decent guy, I just hope they arent using him to further their privatized corporate takeover of the federal government. Only time will tell.
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Postby harflimon » Sat Sep 01, 2007 5:02 pm

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For the record

Postby chlamor » Sat Sep 01, 2007 7:52 pm

harflimon wrote:
But more Americans would lack decent health care. More American children would lack adequate education. More families in America would struggle in poverty. Immigrant families would face increased threats and abuse. Women would have lost rights. And a growing oligarchy would further dominate American politics, making reversal of any admirable Paul policies likely.


That's mostly opinionated conjecture. Especially the part about Women losing rights. Plus they don't know if his policies are good for health care or not. Watch "Sicko" and I think you'll agree that all Paul would be doing is stopping the money flow to insurance and pharmaceutical companies. Socialized medicine would be better, which I think should be done... but nobody is willing to do that so I'll take Paul stopping the handouts as good enough.

Besides education, which I do disagree with Paul's stance on, the rest of it is liberal scare tactics.


I'm a leftist-radical and consider modern liberalism to be the main obstacle to any meaningful alterations in the political landscape and our daily lives. No need to delve into that in this thread.

One thing that is lost in all the Ron Paul threads that I've seen and participated in, quite a few, is an understanding of what are the most fundamental political and economic theories that formulate the positions that The Good Doctor takes. It's really pretty simple in his case.

Ron Paul is more than any one thing a Free Market zealot. He is quite simply a Right-Wing Libertarian. This is nothing that is hidden nor is it conjecture. This is who he is and has been his entire political career. The people who have been listening to him for years in Texas know this and Ron Paul does not hide this at all.

Once one understands this most basic thing you will see how everything flows from that ideology.

There are few things more interventionist and coercive than The Free Market, yes even the Good Doctor's "Truly Free" Free Market.

No great relief when The Empire has been replaced by a thousand fiefdoms with Blackwater Inc. at every drawbridge.

Social Darwinism never sounded so sweet.
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Postby 11:11 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:41 pm

Ron Paul is more than any one thing a Free Market zealot. He is quite simply a Right-Wing Libertarian.

So what are you - a Marxist zealot, Left-Wing Totalitarian?

Lol, this site is the most peculiar mix of people, no? Push, pull, which way will we go? We shall see.
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Postby chlamor » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:06 pm

11:11 wrote:
So what are you - a Marxist zealot, Left-Wing Totalitarian?



No.

Better to understand the basic constructs of political economy than focus on personalities.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:24 pm

Chlamor says:

I'm a leftist-radical


What exactly is a leftist radical anyway?


I just want to be left the fuck alone. Fuck government. Fuck authority. Piss on it all. Just let me ride my horses, pick my carrots, dig my taters and live my life.

Government is the source of all our problems, not the solution.
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Postby sunny » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:41 pm

11:11 wrote:Ron Paul is more than any one thing a Free Market zealot. He is quite simply a Right-Wing Libertarian.

So what are you - a Marxist zealot, Left-Wing Totalitarian?

Lol, this site is the most peculiar mix of people, no? Push, pull, which way will we go? We shall see.


Hee hee. I've often wondered how to classify myself.

I think I'll call myself a radical left-wing libertarian- regulate the fuck out of corporations and leave the rest of us alone. DO NOT CALL US WHEN YOU WANT TO START A WAR. Dismantle the Pentagon, and arm every sane, responsible, law abiding citizen. If some nutcase regime wants to invade, rustle up a militia and we'll take care of 'em.(I know this means disarming every nuke in the world-eff off, this is my wild hopeless dream) Use the savings to provide health care (dismantle insurance companies) and education for EVERYBODY. Condiscate 2/3 of the golf courses and let Habitat for Humanity have at it.

That'll do for a start.
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:45 pm

Hee hee. I've often wondered how to classify myself.

I think I'll call myself a radical left-wing libertarian- regulate the fuck out of corporations and leave the rest of us alone. DO NOT CALL US WHEN YOU WANT TO START A WAR. Dismantle the Pentagon, and arm every sane, responsible, law abiding citizen. If some nutcase regime wants to invade, rustle up a militia and we'll take care of 'em.(I know this means disarming every nuke in the world-eff off, this is my wild hopeless dream) Use the savings to provide health care (dismantle insurance companies) and education for EVERYBODY. Condiscate 2/3 of the golf courses and let Habitat for Humanity have at it.

That'll do for a start.



Now that I could go for.
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Postby 11:11 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:59 pm

sunny wrote:
11:11 wrote:Ron Paul is more than any one thing a Free Market zealot. He is quite simply a Right-Wing Libertarian.

So what are you - a Marxist zealot, Left-Wing Totalitarian?

Lol, this site is the most peculiar mix of people, no? Push, pull, which way will we go? We shall see.


Hee hee. I've often wondered how to classify myself.

I think I'll call myself a radical left-wing libertarian- regulate the fuck out of corporations and leave the rest of us alone. DO NOT CALL US WHEN YOU WANT TO START A WAR. Dismantle the Pentagon, and arm every sane, responsible, law abiding citizen. If some nutcase regime wants to invade, rustle up a militia and we'll take care of 'em.(I know this means disarming every nuke in the world-eff off, this is my wild hopeless dream) Use the savings to provide health care (dismantle insurance companies) and education for EVERYBODY. Condiscate 2/3 of the golf courses and let Habitat for Humanity have at it.

That'll do for a start.


Count me in.
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Postby 11:11 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:23 pm

chlamor wrote:
11:11 wrote:
So what are you - a Marxist zealot, Left-Wing Totalitarian?



No.

Better to understand the basic constructs of political economy than focus on personalities.


Who's focusing on personalities? I asked you a question regarding your political stance.
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Postby chlamor » Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:25 pm

MASONIC PLOT wrote:Chlamor says:

I just want to be left the fuck alone.


when you break a leg. When the well runs dry.

The notion of "just being left alone" is counter to the entire history of how humans came to survive. Mutuality. Solidarity. Sharing.

Government is another issue all together. The better term is mafia.

The notion of individualism, different than individuality, is a distinctly pernicious ideology connected tightly to Americanism.

The hunt. The gathering. Many hands are needed. Same for the barn-raising.

That's not to say that there haven't always been the occasional 'lobo'.

At present the average American requires 300 energy slaves each and every day. Now even the most frugal American uses 50 plus energy slaves. Even if you can't see them they are there. You're not alone.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:04 am

Yep. Chlamor, better question: what makes you radical? Destruction of property? Advocate violence? Replace one forcefully imposed ideology with another? Think differently than even the mainstream at rigint?

Black radical?

Free radical?

Rad skateboarding, dude?
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:11 am

MASONIC PLOT wrote:Chlamor says:

I'm a leftist-radical


What exactly is a leftist radical anyway?


I just want to be left the fuck alone. Fuck government. Fuck authority. Piss on it all. Just let me ride my horses, pick my carrots, dig my taters and live my life.

Government is the source of all our problems, not the solution.


Hey MP, me an' my cadre are going to take your land.

Am I a capitalist?

Am I a communist?

Am I an invading power?

Am I the local clan of rednecks?

How can you claim to "own" that land? What contract? A social contract?

What if I'm just a banker, and the Fed has put interest rates so out of control me and my associates (cadre) can take your land by force of law?

Whose law?

What if I'm the Lost Fuckin' Tribe of Atlantis? Me an' my fish-buddies claim your land - our mythologies tell us it is ours.

People? Together?

How can we possibly do it?
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