The World's Weirdest/Stupidest Conspiracy Theories

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Postby biaothanatoi » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:57 am

RE: The theory that HIV was made in a lab

I worked in HIV research for a few years and I would say that this theory is a lot of BS.

It's called HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus because there are animal strains as well - cats get FIV (F for feline, obviously) and there is also a monkey varient. Genetic testing of the virus suggests that HIV is a mutated form of the monkey varient that managed to jump the species barrier.

HIV is not particularly clever. The animal strains are not even that virulent because the immune systems of felines and primates have had a few million years to adapt to the virus. The reason why it kills humans so effectivey is because it is a new virus for our species and our immune systems have absolutely no idea how to deal with it.

And the only reason why we haven't found a cure is because the drugs that can kill the drug in the bloodstream can't penetrate some body tissues - specifically those in the gut.

Some of the best minds in the world are studying HIV, and any advance is published in peer-reviewed journals that are read by tens of thousands of scientists and community activists around the world. If there was any evidence to suggest that the virus had been created in a lab in the late 1970s it would have been revealed with the advances in gene testing and screening technology of the last two decades. In the world of conspiracy theories, people rarely take into account the openness of research and peer-review.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:07 am

One of the really far out CT's is that the forums are infested by COINTELPRO agents.


That's my favourite one. :lol:

The Santa analogy is excellent. I've long thought it's purpose, along with faiytales etc, was to instill a sense of disbelief in anything (esp. from parents or peers) not confirmed by official channels. Hence the need for state schooling, training and discipline.

Carry on noen, I like my shit stirred and shaken. :twisted:

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oh, hey, cool!

Postby geogeo » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:18 pm

Since this is by far the most intelligent forum of its kind in English on the Internet, of course you're going to attract a few spooks. Looks like this "noen" gets its kicks from provocation--anything like that will evoke an internal, emotional response, but the best approach to a bully is to ignore it Completely. Whether it is or is not a troll, is or is not CIA or FBI, the point is it acts like such, and therefore we shouldn't allow ourselves to respond one way or the other. Just let the thread die. Who knows what little personal message it's sending as well?

And let me say, I hold various advanced degrees and all that shit, and I find this forum to be one of the places to debate ideas that I've ever comoe across-free of some of the stultifying restrictions of academia.

Oh yeah, and to respond to noen's ridicule, I believe Galileo and Copernicus had some whacked-out theories; and if you REALLY want to read some crazy shit, man, check out subatomic physics, evolutionary biology, non-linear dynamics, Husserl, post-1968 French philosophy--I mean, like, Science, and, like, Continental philosophy--talk about a bunch of weirdos!
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:29 pm

I think this is best forum on the entire internet hands down. The host is wonderful, the members are intelligent and the mods practice reasonable restraint.

That said, I agree that the best policy in dealing with people like Neon is to simply ignore them. That is, after you have told them to FUCK OFF.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:24 pm

biaothanatoi wrote:RE: The theory that HIV was made in a lab

I worked in HIV research for a few years and I would say that this theory is a lot of BS.

It's called HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus because there are animal strains as well - cats get FIV (F for feline, obviously) and there is also a monkey varient. Genetic testing of the virus suggests that HIV is a mutated form of the monkey varient that managed to jump the species barrier.

HIV is not particularly clever. The animal strains are not even that virulent because the immune systems of felines and primates have had a few million years to adapt to the virus. The reason why it kills humans so effectivey is because it is a new virus for our species and our immune systems have absolutely no idea how to deal with it.

And the only reason why we haven't found a cure is because the drugs that can kill the drug in the bloodstream can't penetrate some body tissues - specifically those in the gut.

Some of the best minds in the world are studying HIV, and any advance is published in peer-reviewed journals that are read by tens of thousands of scientists and community activists around the world. If there was any evidence to suggest that the virus had been created in a lab in the late 1970s it would have been revealed with the advances in gene testing and screening technology of the last two decades. In the world of conspiracy theories, people rarely take into account the openness of research and peer-review.


Well, you know more than I do about it. I just have the feeling that it is another insane product or by-product of the science-industrial culture. But thank goodness smart people are working on it openly.
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'Patsy' was pre-fab plus additions.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:35 pm

professorpan wrote:
This Jerry Lewis movie, 'The Patsy,' was filmed from January 6–February 28 1964, a mere six weeks after Lee Harvey Oswald claimed to reporters that this was all he was.

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If you knew anything about film production (and you've proved, again and again, that you haven't a clue) you'd realize that any film which began shooting "a mere six weeks after" Oswald's use of the word "patsy," was written FAR in advance of the actual shoot.



Much of it WAS written far in advance and simply adapted, scenes added, and named with the Keyword as the final product, a common process for movies.... I already lined out the history of this film in another thread. I'll find it.

Peter Lorre looks truly pained to be in this movie for six year-old kids.
He walks through it as though he's obligated but hates it.

If the State Department's rep office in Hollywood is tasked with throwing together some pscho-pamphlet for the nation's kids after Our Great Loss of the National Father During Time of War to function as a way to safely channel American kid's normal traumatic reaction to violent loss away from becoming a very dangerous negative attitude about shooting people in the head as an economic system....
...and channel INSTEAD towards 'getting back in the game' and soldiering bravely on with the help of experts pulling together behind a New Likeable Father Validated by Your Giggles....

....then you'd go to the biggest box office draw for kids at that time, Jerry Lewis, and you (the State Department rep tasked with etc.) would go to a buncha actors and appeal for participation in a combination mental health pamphlet/sympathy card to the nation's kids, and just like a hospital visit, a traditional 'angel of mercy' public service image actors have done for ages with the government, the actors pitch in by appearing in something they otherwise wouldn't touch for any reason, a Jerry Lewis film for six year-olds.

All the signs... of a post-11/22/63 request by the USG (which had State/ CIA moles in Hollywood calling shots since really WWII when OWI did it) to some name actors to cluster in this top box office draw for America's kids (Lewis' status at the time) as a 'there there' comforting device... are there-
>heavy emphasis on the female figure who reassures child-like Jerry Lewis and
>dances with him in Jackie Kennedy's pink outfit from Dealey Plaza in a dream sequence over a bullseye-like figure on a school gym floor.

You have to see it to believe it. When I saw it existed I ran out and bought it and watched with amazement.

Just like Lewis' most controversial production, 'The Day the Clown Cried' about Auschwitz which looks like a psy-ops script pawned off on Lewis in the scary-for-the-Gehlen-org early 1960s which was then not deployed but wouldn't die and was then briefly revived in 1971 when columnist Jack Anderson and others were outing Nixon's Nazis in the GOP heritage groups. Lewis was frustrated to yet again find the rug pulled out from under him when the financial support fizzled but Lewis finished it anyway and nearly killed himself with exhaustion on the process. Yet again he was used as a pawn.

Actors are just paid pawns in productions they have no idea are statist propaganda with nested keywords, memes, values and beliefs. Some of them are complicit, like John Wayne and Tom Hanks and Charleton Heston and Ahnuld and Reagan.

But mostly not. For instance, Robert Vaughn, even while he starred in the mock-James Bond tv show, 'The Man From U.N.C.L.E. which equated the CIA with a policing unit of the United Nations (which had to hire employees to deal with the public's belief it was real).... was one of Hollywood's most out-spoken liberals ala Sean Penn and he was friends with and an inner-circle organizer for Senator Robert Kennedy's presidential run.

After RFK was killed, Vaughn came to hate his TV role and couldn't stomach the violent scenes anymore even as he continued to do them.
Perhaps due to Vaughn's public association with RFK, the U.N.C.L.E show went off the air in 1968.

This highlights the disconnect an actor can have from the show he's in and what it takes to change one's working gig in the Hollywood economy of mock-human trafficking.
The show boat is boarding and no actors like to be left behind when they have a ticket for a luxury class cabin.

So pan's effort to focus on pawns to induce disbelief is, well, misdirection and distortion.

Jerry Lewis wrote and directed the film, so he would have had to have foreknowledge of the assassination and Oswald's role, and would have been complicit.


Your strawmen are regular visiters to this topic. Nice try, nope.
I've already gone into the film in a previous thread in great detail.

If you knew anything about the opportunistic use of existing products and the inject points for adapting the product on the way to delivery, you'd understand spook media but you've "proved, again and again, that you haven't a clue."

If you've seen the film, it is rediculously simple and was a sequel to a previous box-office smash that looks like it had some scenes added and the title tacked on. It would make sense for FEMA plans ala REX84 regarding 'national security events' to include a USG film psy-ops contigency plan for certain possible national events, like loss of leader, and would have already thought of useful devices easily deployed in existing films, like a dream scene. Going in and out of it helps sequence having and loss in a comfortable artsy haze and can be slapped into 'bout anything as a tension-releasing cathartic narrative journey.

Like the dream scene where 'the Patsy' dances with a woman who is always reassuring him (after a death shared by the unusually large group of guest name actors) and she is dressed in almost the same pink outfit Mrs. Kennedy famously wore at Dealey Plaza complete with hat substitute to keep it subliminal.
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Postby nomo » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:48 pm

biaothanatoi wrote:In the world of conspiracy theories, people rarely take into account the openness of research and peer-review.


Choice quote!!

Still waiting for peer review of, say, Stevie "Stigmata" Jones's thermite discoveries.
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Careful people...we are gentle types here

Postby slow_dazzle » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:14 pm

Try not to be too hard on those people who need help. (uhuhuhu Butthead...he said "hard on"...uhuhuhu)

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Postby H_C_E » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:04 pm

Sunny,

Allow me to clarify - Sure, let this stimulate discussion. But angered responses of "fuck you" or "you're an asshole and your mom wears combat boots" are counter-productive in every way. So again, let it stimulate discussion, sure, that is a sincerely grand idea. But so far it hasn't stimulated much discussion directly. Thus far we have four pages and productive response directly related to what Neon wrote have been tangential at best. When I saw this post shortly after it appeard, I thought that it might actually stimulate some people to begin to have some healthy skepticism about their own ideas, which is something needed 'round these h'ya pahts. Ah, but to no avail. Thus far, it appears to be a wasted opportunity. You know, the unexamined life not worth being lived etc, etc. So in lieu of anything worthwhile, let's just fight fire with fire. Yeah, that'll do all kinds of good!

I dub thee Rigored Intuition, as in stiff with deadness because 99% of what goes on here is so much like a dog chasing its own tail.

C'est la vie...

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Sorry H_C_E, can't agree this time

Postby slow_dazzle » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:23 pm

You would be quite right to pull us up if we had simply responded to the top level post by slagging it off without provocation. However, the OP then posted a comment in the thread, which we might have misread, but which is a tad provocative. If the OP had posted a second post in the thread to say WHY

My God you people are f*cking stupid!


in respect of specific CT's then a good debate might have ensued.

And does this

And it is shit, a big steaming plate of shit that you all take a big heaping spoonful of everyday.


seem like an invitation to participate in reasoned discussion?

Sorry friend, until the OP posts an explanation as to why she/he thinks

And it is shit, a big steaming plate of shit that you all take a big heaping spoonful of everyday.


it is difficult to refrain from responding with humour like my childish effort.

No offense meant H_C_E. just saying it how I see it. If I have misinterpreted the comment

And it is shit, a big steaming plate of shit that you all take a big heaping spoonful of everyday.


I'll apologise.
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Postby Doodad » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:25 pm

If I have misinterpreted the comment

Quote:
And it is shit, a big steaming plate of shit that you all take a big heaping spoonful of everyday.


I'll apologise.


Well the thing is, in a post modern world, you have no idea if he was simply giving nutritional advice.

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Postby H_C_E » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:32 pm

I hear you SD, but I pose the question "So what?"

Some points to consider:

1) Did anyone suffer any real and irreperable harm fom his comments?

2) Does responding in kind accomplish anything substantial?

3) He CAN NOT be reasoned with so why bother trying?

4) All he wants is to agitate (and not in the Fredrick Douglass kind of way)

5) Negativity in kind will only serve as confirmation of his ability to stir the pot.

6) I'm sure we all have bigger issues in our lives than to be bothered with this silliness

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Sigh, I agree H_C_E

Postby slow_dazzle » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:38 pm

maybe responding to shit with more shit is a negative thing to do. Anyway, onwards and upwards.

Ok, onwards definitely. Don't know about the upwards bit :cry:
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Postby LeeRoyDiggler » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:32 pm

You guys forgot one

*The All powerful sky daddy of the universe became infuriated when a talking snake tricked a naked woman into eating some magical knowledge bearing fruit in a perfect gardan and damned them to death and hell until he later decided to impregnate a virgin woman with himself and to walk about earth praising himself like a schitzoid while performing feats of healing and magic before finally getting nailed to a cross, dying and rising from the dead 3 days later ensuring that all those who refuse to believe in this hard to believe tale will be tortured for an eternity but those who do believe (after he later inspires a holy text to be written) will live forever in a magical place called "heaven".
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