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But I do think the perps for 9-11 were lodged deep inside the US military
streeb wrote:And when I say enemy, perhaps I should say enemies.
Who are the enemies?
Doodad wrote:But I do think the perps for 9-11 were lodged deep inside the US military
So do I sort of but not likely in the same way. Traditionally it is spies who aid the enemy. We already know of several who have been caught aiding the enemy so it's not that unlikely that the info needed to pull off 911 could have been relayed by such spies. Lord knows how many may exist. And when I say enemy, perhaps I should say enemies.
geogeo wrote:This is kind of neat. I've been researching the so-called Thelemite who, according to GM Kelly, have gotten stuck in the tunnels of Set, fallen into the Abyss, are, basically, Evil, welcoming the legions of Choronzon, etc. The so-called "Black Brothers" that Crowley warned about (and all adepts and magicians). One Kenneth Grant's writings seem really prime material for 9-11 cultic activities, as I am following the Setian link in 9-11 (Set=Sothis=Sirius, rising of which is New Year's Day of Egyptian calendar, etc.; Set as one of the Nine, and so forth). Fun stuff, abounding in 11s, 93s, 77s, and so forth. Apparently Grant equates Ob with 9, and Od with 11 (which Kelly claims is wrong, but I'm more interested in the ones advocating doing/thinking/being evil as the path of true will). So if you Google "Ob Od", turns out it stands for "open burning/open detonation", www.cpeo.org/techtree/ttdescript/detburn.htm
Which is kind of neat because it reads like various theories about the destruction of the Twin Towers. Check it out! Note that I AM in no way suggesting...
(But I do think the perps for 9-11 were lodged deep inside the US military)
Interestingly, Organizational Development and "OB" do some rather interesting psychological stuff, including what appears to be some type of brainwashing. Don't have time to go into this research right now, but perhaps some know more.
Doodad wrote:streeb wrote:And when I say enemy, perhaps I should say enemies.
Who are the enemies?
Well, obviously the extremist Islamists; but, also, the traditional ones committed to the downfall of capitalism, "democracy", American power, etc. This was a political statement more than anything and the possibilities for alliances are endless.
the traditional ones committed to the downfall of capitalism, "democracy", American power, etc.
geogeo wrote:This is kind of neat. I've been researching the so-called Thelemite who, according to GM Kelly, have gotten stuck in the tunnels of Set, fallen into the Abyss, are, basically, Evil, welcoming the legions of Choronzon, etc. The so-called "Black Brothers" that Crowley warned about (and all adepts and magicians). One Kenneth Grant's writings seem really prime material for 9-11 cultic activities, as I am following the Setian link in 9-11 (Set=Sothis=Sirius, rising of which is New Year's Day of Egyptian calendar, etc.; Set as one of the Nine, and so forth). Fun stuff, abounding in 11s, 93s, 77s, and so forth. Apparently Grant equates Ob with 9, and Od with 11 (which Kelly claims is wrong, but I'm more interested in the ones advocating doing/thinking/being evil as the path of true will). So if you Google "Ob Od", turns out it stands for "open burning/open detonation", www.cpeo.org/techtree/ttdescript/detburn.htm
Which is kind of neat because it reads like various theories about the destruction of the Twin Towers. Check it out! Note that I AM in no way suggesting...
(But I do think the perps for 9-11 were lodged deep inside the US military)
Interestingly, Organizational Development and "OB" do some rather interesting psychological stuff, including what appears to be some type of brainwashing. Don't have time to go into this research right now, but perhaps some know more.
geogeo wrote:well, yes, 911 is laden with insider jokes, but I guess military humor is like military justice and music. I mean, the perps left all sorts of clues for those of us with eyes wide open, but at the same time it was of course a massive brainwashing ritual. It achieved great results on various planes both exoteric and esoteric, if you like.
The holy grail of this for me is finding a clear precedent in some sort of suggested or proposed magic ritual, and I have little doubt it is buried somewhere online, or at least there is something more suggestive. I've combed GD, Dee, Agrippa, and so forth, and gotten a better idea of what I'm looking for, but frankly, there are too many aeons floating around out there --in addition to being in the Age of Aquarius, the New Age, we are 93 (oops) years into the Aeon of the Child, of Horus; the second Beast, Michael Aquino, told us he ushered in the Aeon of Set in when was it, 1975? And the we have this parallel Aeon of Maat? Talk about Byzantine complexity--but it's in the Kenneth Grant stuff, the Typhonic OTO space alien/Great White Brotherhood on Sirius/Set/Sothis, that I've begun to really hit paydirt.
Crowley really ripped something wide open, but perhaps Blavatsky realized she had already done so when she ushered in the mysticism of the East and found very quickly that Kali and her ilk came along to (I'm saying this metaphorically). She knew how dangerous this stuff was, and warned repeatedly against it, all the way back to going against the US Spiritualists, who hated her for it.
But in any case, I think one of the strongest cases for occultic influence inthe 20th century, besides the Nazis, would be the atomic bomb itself. But then, hell, I just recently found out that Edison was heavily into this stuff--or at least, Theosophy--talk about 'light-bringer'!
BTW I thought I'd note that the Wikipedia article on Nazi occultism is (predictably?) awful, debunking any meaningful connection.
excuse my late ramblings.
That's not to say that perpetrators don't have methods to manipulate and coerce survivors, and that this can involve exploiting survivors dissociative states - but those methods are still primarily emotional, not "mechanical".
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