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Postby sunny » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:11 am

Doodad wrote:
streeb wrote:
And when I say enemy, perhaps I should say enemies.


Who are the enemies?


Well, obviously the extremist Islamists; but, also, the traditional ones committed to the downfall of capitalism, "democracy", American power, etc. This was a political statement more than anything and the possibilities for alliances are endless.


That shit is indistinguishable from the spew emanating from Pat Robertson, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer every single day. You sir, are a neocon.
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Postby Doodad » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:13 am

sunny wrote:
Doodad wrote:
streeb wrote:
And when I say enemy, perhaps I should say enemies.


Who are the enemies?


Well, obviously the extremist Islamists; but, also, the traditional ones committed to the downfall of capitalism, "democracy", American power, etc. This was a political statement more than anything and the possibilities for alliances are endless.


That shit is indistinguishable from the spew emanating from Pat Robertson, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer every single day. You sir, are a neocon.


And you madam are quite loopy.
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Postby geogeo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:03 pm

Kenneth Grant sees himself as a Thelemite in the 93 Current, a rightful heir of Crowley, and has published numerous influential books that GM Kelly claims show that he has been sucked into the Abyss, instead of crossing it as Crowley had done--in other words, Grant and his ilk have purposefully gone over to the "dark side" and become what Crowley and others thought of as "black brothers", necromancers, black magicians. Levi, Blavatsky, and others all the way back constantly warn about this danger. Grant is also obsessed by the Necronomicon and Ctulhu, and believes that Lovecraft wasn't making this stuff up, but channelling it. Basically, the Book of the Law calls for followers of Thelema to follow their own true will, become stars, and work to achieve the Aeon of Horus on Earth--but much of it, Thelemites themselves understand, was squarely in the realm of magickal practice individually and in small groups, aimed toward achieving personal freedom, through the mystical voyage across the Abyss; Crowley wrote zillions of pages on all this. Misinterpreted, however, Thelema is a dangerous recipe for the "trampling of the slaves" and for inhabiting the Abyss, ruled over by Choronzon/Typhon/Set. IN other words, that power comes from grappling with the drak forces of chaos, the 11 "Qlipothic Forces" of the Qabbala, the "Tree of Death" or the reverse of the Sepiroth, Tree of Life. The only meaningful use of "11" in the Golden Dawn is as the number of the Qlipothic Forces (demons), but the number crops up again and again in Thelema.

In any case, Grant and the various branches of the OTO that follow this logic consciously follow the Left-Hand Path, and revel in letting in the demons to this world--I believe Grant's take is that these are the space aliens who have come here to corrupt and destroy us.

Remember that most schools of esoteric thought in the West, going back to the Rosicrucians, believe in a mysterious brotherhood of ascended masters, often inhabiting central Asia, sometimes worldwide; followers of Crowley called them the Argenteum Astrum, Silver Star, believing that what he set up was simply a recent iteration). The Brothers (newer New Agers think of them as Space brothers, often on Sirius) watch over us and help us evolve, but some versions have a certain number of black brothers, who do us the necessary evil to keep us balanced. Anyway, if you don't believe in hidden forces, secret lodges guiding humanity, it's hard to be fully "into" a lot of these movements, and Typhonian OTO and its ilk are no exception. In many of these currents of thinking, doing evil is necessary and planned for and is part of a bigger master plan for achieving whatever is necessary to help us evolve.

Nazi versions are particularly disgusting, but only outstanding in that they actually were well on their way to achieving their goal.

Curiously, when you first start to read this stuff, you get the idea that people like Levi and Dee said and did evil things, but quite the opposite. It seems to me that the "dark side", the black brotherhood types, rarely write anything down, at least in a coordinated fashion. Most of their names are obscure, I guess. But the point is that Thelema, and mainstream Thelemites would say a corrupted version, is the perfect New Age vehicle for the cataclysms of the 20th century, since it is these types of cataclysms that will result in a sort of spiritual evolution of the human race, or at least the survivors--a sort of twisted version of the already twisted Book of Revelation. Don't forget that Oppenheimer says he said "I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" at the Trinity test. That's a conscious admittance that he was or let in Kali, the Hindu version of Set/Typhon/Choronzon, according to some.

Of course, you have to get in league with the dark forces, according to mainstream magic, at least in the West, as far back as I've read, make a pact with the Devil, to defeat other forces of destruction. It's dangerous business. For over a hundred years before 1945, the great enemy was socialism/communism, not anything else, and we know that that was the real evil the Western world was conjuring up demons to do battle against (excuse me, "avenging angels").

I think somewhere deep in there, in some esoteric military/intelligence (i.e. elite) current we know little to nothing about, this dark side of Thelema thrives, as it is a perfect little cult for top leaders--remember that Rome had its Mithra--for which Xtianity is way too namby-pamby. The punishment for divulging this type of stuff is generally death, and the oaths are extremely strict. I'm not sure how important Aquino is, as the Temple of Set is way too public and at times even comical.

Ob: 'Ob (Hebrew) Also aub. A necromancer, one who "calls up the dead" in order to learn from them future events; secondarily, the spirit of divination in the necromancer; and thirdly, the apparition, shade, or kama-rupa itself which is raised. 'Ob is "the messenger of death used by the sorcerers, the nefarious evil fluid" (SD 1:76), the lowest aspect of the astral light -- "or rather, its pernicious evil currents" (TG 237). As the astral light in its lower aspects was sometimes symbolized by a serpent, so was 'ob often thus symbolized. As signifying the powers of darkness, the denizens in the lower regions of the astral light, and the evil and immoral practices of necromancy, it is the opposite of the Shemitic word 'or (light, glory; to enlighten, inflame with wisdom and knowledge), used also for mystic revelations and the communication of esoteric truth.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/oa-oz.htm

Od: Od; Odylic or Odic Force [od poss from Hebrew 'ud to surround, enclose as by a mist, emanation, or cloud] Names given by Baron Karl von Reichenbach, German industrialist and chemist, to a cosmic force or fluid which he believed he had discovered (1845). His extensive experimental investigations on the luminous emanations from the human body, from magnets, plants, and minerals, aroused much interest among students of animal magnetism. But his results depended upon the evidence of sensitives, often invalids and people in the somnambulic condition and, as is usual under such circumstances, do not coordinate well with results obtained by others. This class of phenomena cannot be considered as entirely objective, so much being dependent on the seer. He made too broad generalizations on too narrow a basis; he was, unconsciously to himself, working with effects originating largely on the astral plane and, in spite of its delusiveness, he did discover some facts which can be related to what theosophists call prana and the astral light; but he lacked the power and knowledge to coordinate them and thus to render his researches of practical use.

Od is also used, together with the Hebrew words ob ('ob) and aour ('or), by Eliphas Levi to denote aspects of the astral light. Ob is a well-known word for sorcery and necromancy, for a sorcerer or necromancer, as well as occasionally signifying an astral shade or spook. Aour, on the contrary, signifies light, brilliance, and hence revelation and the light of initiation.

In any case, Grant has Ob=9 and Od=11. If this is significant and if we are talking about a Thelemic cult within the military, then the open burn/open detonation might be significant.

9-11 would have to have been astrologically significant, but anybody who really figured that out wouldn't talk, as folks who know that kind of stuff would likely feel that the types of evil forces who engineered this are perfectly capable of destroying them through concentrated willpower. and you have to really know what you're doing to figure out the astrology, but believe me I haven't seen one ritual yet without astrological significance (as above, so below!). Probably it is the concentration of wills in the personae of John O'Neill and similar people I would take to be adepts that would have allowed the stage to be set, but there was presumably nothing physical impossible or "magica(k)al" in the act itself, on the surface. It was the doing of the act that achieved magical results, among which we can enumerate:

--the ending of a 2,000 year Aeon and the true beginning of the Aon of Set, perhaps, given that it was the first Egyptian New Year of the Xtian millennium. The way these folks move their Aeon dates around, it seems possible. On the exoteric plane, it did indeed achieve a radical cut, a coup if you will, a before and an after, and so forth.
--a set of extremely powerful symbols resonating not just with Americans but with people worldwide, so powerful that even if their logic tells them it ain't so, they see the phallic missiles penetrating Jachin and Boaz, again and again and again. They hear the sacred numbers again and again and again. Numerology, and gematria, are of central importance in the symbolism of all this. But if you read esoteric literature, again and again we are told that the secret socities, the brotherhoods of adepts, have always used symbols to teach/condition/control the masses who can't comprehend the central truths (i.e. that it is often necessary to do bad in order to achieve good).
--a massive brainwashing, a conditioning, a belief that this is setting the stage fro Armageddon, which will not be against nations but against a demonic people, the fanatical Muslims. A narrative, then, embedded much more deeply than any other contradictory beliefs.
--9-11 ushers in the Aeon of Set or whatever, but the beginning of an end of the Xtian age and the beginning of an age of us discovering our true wills, of shedding the slaverythat is not freedom. Hence, democracy, free markets, all this is good in that it allows us more and more freedom, and we continue to try to strip away dictatorships, governments that don't allow us to express our true wills. 9-11 was necessary because the old enemy, USSR, was gone, and communism was no longer a threat. That is obvious to many.
--so 9-11 ushered in a new, global war to replace the Cold War and set the stage for End Times. and the idiot Fundies of all three religions of the book are willing pawns in this, of course.

You have frequently commented about 9-11 as the founding date of the Pentagon, and the 77 foot height, and other such data. All this is significant, and perhaps the first 9-11 was the laying of the cornerstone of the Pentagon (talk about a joke--and people say there's nothing occult in it--what's occult if not stuff like that?!). It's the right era.

Anyway, it's important to remember that "magic" in this is not holograms and the like, but the concentration of wills that create new realities; the embedding of symbols that can only be achieved through an act of this nature.

Hope that helps. a little garbled, but I'm at my day job.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:18 pm

Doodad wrote:
sunny wrote:
That shit is indistinguishable from the spew emanating from Pat Robertson, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer every single day. You sir, are a neocon.


And you madam are quite loopy.


Doodad, having read your description of enemies, I have to wonder how you could distinguish that from a neocon talking point.

And no, sunny is decidedly not.
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Postby Doodad » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:52 pm

Jeff wrote:
Doodad wrote:
sunny wrote:
That shit is indistinguishable from the spew emanating from Pat Robertson, Bill Kristol, and Charles Krauthammer every single day. You sir, are a neocon.


And you madam are quite loopy.


Doodad, having read your description of enemies, I have to wonder how you could distinguish that from a neocon talking point.

And no, sunny is decidedly not.


Jeff, some here have labeled any thing a "neo-con," has said as verboten territory thus limiting discourse. I am surprised that you would join that fray. It's perfectly natural that someone who is not a neo-con could end up saying shit that resembles one of their talking points, n'est pas?

This is why I call sunny loopy. She reacted as programmed with the neo-con slander. That to me is a loopy thought process.
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Postby sunny » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:02 pm

Jeff, some here have labeled any thing a "neo-con," has said as verboten territory thus limiting discourse. I am surprised that you would join that fray. It's perfectly natural that someone who is not a neo-con could end up saying shit that resembles one of their talking points, n'est pas?


The problem is, a LOT of what you say resembles their talking points. Not to mention your overall arrogant attitude of "I am right and the rest of you are unserious dirty fucking hippy idiots." Right out of the neocon playbook.

And yes, approvingly spouting the rhetoric of an ideology of hate, lies, and death should be verboten on an anti-fascist board.
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Postby Jeff » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:05 pm

Doodad wrote:
Jeff, some here have labeled any thing a "neo-con," has said as verboten territory thus limiting discourse. I am surprised that you would join that fray. It's perfectly natural that someone who is not a neo-con could end up saying shit that resembles one of their talking points, n'est pas?

This is why I call sunny loopy. She reacted as programmed with the neo-con slander. That to me is a loopy thought process.


I know the usage of the term "neo-con" has been debased to sometimes mean "stuff we don't like," but since you admit what you said resembles a neo-con talking point, I think it's reasonable and not programmatic to ask you for clarification.
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Postby Doodad » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:06 pm

sunny wrote:
Jeff, some here have labeled any thing a "neo-con," has said as verboten territory thus limiting discourse. I am surprised that you would join that fray. It's perfectly natural that someone who is not a neo-con could end up saying shit that resembles one of their talking points, n'est pas?


The problem is, a LOT of what you say resembles their talking points. Not to mention your overall arrogant attitude of "I am right and the rest of you are unserious dirty fucking hippy idiots." Right out of the neocon playbook.

And yes, approvingly spouting the rhetoric of an ideology of hate, lies, and death should be verboten on an anti-fascist board.


sunny, by your logic, anyone who uses the word "imperiaism," is a Stalinist. I don't see anyone condemning that fascism here, do you?

"dirty fucking hippy idiots." Gee, I musta done that one in my sleep. How be you point me to it.
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Postby sunny » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:14 pm

"dirty fucking hippy idiots." Gee, I musta done that one in my sleep. How be you point me to it.


I'm talking about your overall attitude, and you know it as I said it explicitly.
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Postby Doodad » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:32 pm

sunny wrote:
"dirty fucking hippy idiots." Gee, I musta done that one in my sleep. How be you point me to it.


I'm talking about your overall attitude, and you know it as I said it explicitly.


heh, I probably in real life look more like a dirty fucking hippy than anyone here.

it helps keep up the disguise

lol
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Postby theeKultleeder » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:30 pm

Hmmm. I think just going around dropping a sentence and a snarky comment on every issue on the board is what Jeff is getting at. When I practically force Doodad to elaborate, clarification ensues.

So maybe be more explicit, and back up your claims with a link or two.

Then maybe every post won't degenerate into arguing with Doodad over non-issues hardly related to the OP. That's what I call the "Doodad Show."
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Postby Doodad » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:33 pm

theeKultleeder wrote:Hmmm. I think just going around dropping a sentence and a snarky comment on every issue on the board is what Jeff is getting at. When I practically force Doodad to elaborate, clarification ensues.

So maybe be more explicit, and back up your claims with a link or two.

Then maybe every post won't degenerate into arguing with Doodad over non-issues hardly related to the OP. That's what I call the "Doodad Show."


For some, my main attraction may be keeping you too occupied to pimp your own board for awhile.

Only for some mind you.
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Re: ob od

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:30 pm

geogeo wrote:Kenneth Grant sees himself as a Thelemite in the 93 Current, a rightful heir of Crowley, and has published numerous influential books that GM Kelly claims show that he has been sucked into the Abyss, instead of crossing it as Crowley had done--in other words, Grant and his ilk have purposefully gone over to the "dark side" and become what Crowley and others thought of as "black brothers", necromancers, black magicians. Levi, Blavatsky, and others all the way back constantly warn about this danger. Grant is also obsessed by the Necronomicon and Ctulhu, and believes that Lovecraft wasn't making this stuff up, but channelling it. Basically, the Book of the Law calls for followers of Thelema to follow their own true will, become stars, and work to achieve the Aeon of Horus on Earth--but much of it, Thelemites themselves understand, was squarely in the realm of magickal practice individually and in small groups, aimed toward achieving personal freedom, through the mystical voyage across the Abyss; Crowley wrote zillions of pages on all this. Misinterpreted, however, Thelema is a dangerous recipe for the "trampling of the slaves" and for inhabiting the Abyss, ruled over by Choronzon/Typhon/Set. IN other words, that power comes from grappling with the drak forces of chaos, the 11 "Qlipothic Forces" of the Qabbala, the "Tree of Death" or the reverse of the Sepiroth, Tree of Life. The only meaningful use of "11" in the Golden Dawn is as the number of the Qlipothic Forces (demons), but the number crops up again and again in Thelema.

In any case, Grant and the various branches of the OTO that follow this logic consciously follow the Left-Hand Path, and revel in letting in the demons to this world--I believe Grant's take is that these are the space aliens who have come here to corrupt and destroy us.

Remember that most schools of esoteric thought in the West, going back to the Rosicrucians, believe in a mysterious brotherhood of ascended masters, often inhabiting central Asia, sometimes worldwide; followers of Crowley called them the Argenteum Astrum, Silver Star, believing that what he set up was simply a recent iteration). The Brothers (newer New Agers think of them as Space brothers, often on Sirius) watch over us and help us evolve, but some versions have a certain number of black brothers, who do us the necessary evil to keep us balanced. Anyway, if you don't believe in hidden forces, secret lodges guiding humanity, it's hard to be fully "into" a lot of these movements, and Typhonian OTO and its ilk are no exception. In many of these currents of thinking, doing evil is necessary and planned for and is part of a bigger master plan for achieving whatever is necessary to help us evolve.

Nazi versions are particularly disgusting, but only outstanding in that they actually were well on their way to achieving their goal.

Curiously, when you first start to read this stuff, you get the idea that people like Levi and Dee said and did evil things, but quite the opposite. It seems to me that the "dark side", the black brotherhood types, rarely write anything down, at least in a coordinated fashion. Most of their names are obscure, I guess. But the point is that Thelema, and mainstream Thelemites would say a corrupted version, is the perfect New Age vehicle for the cataclysms of the 20th century, since it is these types of cataclysms that will result in a sort of spiritual evolution of the human race, or at least the survivors--a sort of twisted version of the already twisted Book of Revelation. Don't forget that Oppenheimer says he said "I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds" at the Trinity test. That's a conscious admittance that he was or let in Kali, the Hindu version of Set/Typhon/Choronzon, according to some.

Of course, you have to get in league with the dark forces, according to mainstream magic, at least in the West, as far back as I've read, make a pact with the Devil, to defeat other forces of destruction. It's dangerous business. For over a hundred years before 1945, the great enemy was socialism/communism, not anything else, and we know that that was the real evil the Western world was conjuring up demons to do battle against (excuse me, "avenging angels").

I think somewhere deep in there, in some esoteric military/intelligence (i.e. elite) current we know little to nothing about, this dark side of Thelema thrives, as it is a perfect little cult for top leaders--remember that Rome had its Mithra--for which Xtianity is way too namby-pamby. The punishment for divulging this type of stuff is generally death, and the oaths are extremely strict. I'm not sure how important Aquino is, as the Temple of Set is way too public and at times even comical.

Ob: 'Ob (Hebrew) Also aub. A necromancer, one who "calls up the dead" in order to learn from them future events; secondarily, the spirit of divination in the necromancer; and thirdly, the apparition, shade, or kama-rupa itself which is raised. 'Ob is "the messenger of death used by the sorcerers, the nefarious evil fluid" (SD 1:76), the lowest aspect of the astral light -- "or rather, its pernicious evil currents" (TG 237). As the astral light in its lower aspects was sometimes symbolized by a serpent, so was 'ob often thus symbolized. As signifying the powers of darkness, the denizens in the lower regions of the astral light, and the evil and immoral practices of necromancy, it is the opposite of the Shemitic word 'or (light, glory; to enlighten, inflame with wisdom and knowledge), used also for mystic revelations and the communication of esoteric truth.

http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/etgloss/oa-oz.htm

Od: Od; Odylic or Odic Force [od poss from Hebrew 'ud to surround, enclose as by a mist, emanation, or cloud] Names given by Baron Karl von Reichenbach, German industrialist and chemist, to a cosmic force or fluid which he believed he had discovered (1845). His extensive experimental investigations on the luminous emanations from the human body, from magnets, plants, and minerals, aroused much interest among students of animal magnetism. But his results depended upon the evidence of sensitives, often invalids and people in the somnambulic condition and, as is usual under such circumstances, do not coordinate well with results obtained by others. This class of phenomena cannot be considered as entirely objective, so much being dependent on the seer. He made too broad generalizations on too narrow a basis; he was, unconsciously to himself, working with effects originating largely on the astral plane and, in spite of its delusiveness, he did discover some facts which can be related to what theosophists call prana and the astral light; but he lacked the power and knowledge to coordinate them and thus to render his researches of practical use.

Od is also used, together with the Hebrew words ob ('ob) and aour ('or), by Eliphas Levi to denote aspects of the astral light. Ob is a well-known word for sorcery and necromancy, for a sorcerer or necromancer, as well as occasionally signifying an astral shade or spook. Aour, on the contrary, signifies light, brilliance, and hence revelation and the light of initiation.

In any case, Grant has Ob=9 and Od=11. If this is significant and if we are talking about a Thelemic cult within the military, then the open burn/open detonation might be significant.

9-11 would have to have been astrologically significant, but anybody who really figured that out wouldn't talk, as folks who know that kind of stuff would likely feel that the types of evil forces who engineered this are perfectly capable of destroying them through concentrated willpower. and you have to really know what you're doing to figure out the astrology, but believe me I haven't seen one ritual yet without astrological significance (as above, so below!). Probably it is the concentration of wills in the personae of John O'Neill and similar people I would take to be adepts that would have allowed the stage to be set, but there was presumably nothing physical impossible or "magica(k)al" in the act itself, on the surface. It was the doing of the act that achieved magical results, among which we can enumerate:

--the ending of a 2,000 year Aeon and the true beginning of the Aon of Set, perhaps, given that it was the first Egyptian New Year of the Xtian millennium. The way these folks move their Aeon dates around, it seems possible. On the exoteric plane, it did indeed achieve a radical cut, a coup if you will, a before and an after, and so forth.
--a set of extremely powerful symbols resonating not just with Americans but with people worldwide, so powerful that even if their logic tells them it ain't so, they see the phallic missiles penetrating Jachin and Boaz, again and again and again. They hear the sacred numbers again and again and again. Numerology, and gematria, are of central importance in the symbolism of all this. But if you read esoteric literature, again and again we are told that the secret socities, the brotherhoods of adepts, have always used symbols to teach/condition/control the masses who can't comprehend the central truths (i.e. that it is often necessary to do bad in order to achieve good).
--a massive brainwashing, a conditioning, a belief that this is setting the stage fro Armageddon, which will not be against nations but against a demonic people, the fanatical Muslims. A narrative, then, embedded much more deeply than any other contradictory beliefs.
--9-11 ushers in the Aeon of Set or whatever, but the beginning of an end of the Xtian age and the beginning of an age of us discovering our true wills, of shedding the slaverythat is not freedom. Hence, democracy, free markets, all this is good in that it allows us more and more freedom, and we continue to try to strip away dictatorships, governments that don't allow us to express our true wills. 9-11 was necessary because the old enemy, USSR, was gone, and communism was no longer a threat. That is obvious to many.
--so 9-11 ushered in a new, global war to replace the Cold War and set the stage for End Times. and the idiot Fundies of all three religions of the book are willing pawns in this, of course.

You have frequently commented about 9-11 as the founding date of the Pentagon, and the 77 foot height, and other such data. All this is significant, and perhaps the first 9-11 was the laying of the cornerstone of the Pentagon (talk about a joke--and people say there's nothing occult in it--what's occult if not stuff like that?!). It's the right era.

Anyway, it's important to remember that "magic" in this is not holograms and the like, but the concentration of wills that create new realities; the embedding of symbols that can only be achieved through an act of this nature.

Hope that helps. a little garbled, but I'm at my day job.


You do realize you may be the first 9/11 researcher to have fully cracked
9/11's esoteric backbone?

What you just wrote has to be the most frightening, soul crushing post I've ever read.

Consider this..

(and again, Im not calling Crowley good or bad, just that he was perceptive)

From Crowley's own words

Book of the Law
"My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. The Five Pointed Star, with a Circle in the Middle, & the circle is Red. My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing. Also I have a secret glory for them that love me."

The number 93 is of great significance in the philosophy/religion of Thelema, originated by Aleister Crowley in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law. The central philosophy of Thelema is in the two phrases from Liber AL: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

And...

on the number 77

Through matter, because 77 is written in Hebrew Ayin Zayin (OZ), and He-Goat, the symbol of matter, Capricornus, the Devil of the Tarot; which is the picture of the Goat of the Sabbath upon an altar, worshipped by two other devils, male and female.

Crowley wrote

77 is the number of Laylah (LAILAH), to whom this chapter is wholly devoted. The first section of the title is an analysis of 77 considered as a mystic number. 7, the septenary; 11, the magical number; 77, the manifestation, therefore, of the septenary.”

So Crowley considered some of the highest occult numbers to be
11, 77 and 93. Channelled to him after his Giza pyramid visit.

In the book of the law, CLXXV 175 is
"Liber Astarte vel Liber Berylli"—On uniting oneself to a Deity

175 is the third number of Venus.

The four flights used on 9/11.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:52 am

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Postby NavnDansk » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:04 am

The Bible has many numerology references, most don't interest me (failed maths :oops: ) but---

satan can only make a bad imitation of God's very real sovereignty

You do realize you may be the first 9/11 researcher to have fully cracked
9/11's esoteric backbone?

What you just wrote has to be the most frightening, soul crushing post I've ever read.

Book of the Law
"My number is 11, as all their numbers who are of us. The Five Pointed Star, with a Circle in the Middle, & the circle is Red. My colour is black to the blind, but the blue & gold are seen of the seeing. Also I have a secret glory for them that love me."

The number 93 is of great significance in the philosophy/religion of Thelema, originated by Aleister Crowley in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law. The central philosophy of Thelema is in the two phrases from Liber AL: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law


Revelations is very, very difficult but not twisted - the final mysterious and awesome outcome of rebellion and trying to be as gods as the serpent tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden. - THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE DAY OF THE LORD - the Last Judgment when time will cease and the MARRIAGE FEAST OF THE LAMB ushers in the New Heaven and New Earth, the Heavenly Jerusalem, City of Peace.

It would be great if the very intelligent and creative people on this board would spent a little of the time that they spend on Crowley reading and interpreting some of The Book of Revelations and not just depending on a prejudiced view of what is contained therein. Most of Revelations is beyond me but the Blessed Hope of the last two chapters of the Beginning of Heaven after the defeat of the Beast and satan and all evil and the restoration of Wiping Away Tears Because the Former Things are Passed Away and The River of Life is needed to counter the terrible, terrible times we are living in and may offer strength when we are tested as it looks like we all will be. There are a number of Bible websites that make reading chapters, verses or whole books of the Bible easy.

Satan inverts and corrupts God's laws including but not limited to the moral law.

THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE
instead of looking to the he-goat you need to spend at least some time reading about THE LAMB OF GOD

THE TWELVE APOSTLES
The constant use of the number 12 in the Bible as significant.
Bill, who started Alcholics Anon was a Christian and started the 12 Step Programs.

The number of the Beast is 666 because the number 7 is the perfect number - 7 days creation of the world and 6 like the number 11 also is one short of perfection - satan can imitate not create.

Also I have a secret glory for them that love me."

Look up the Sheikana spirit or THE GLORY OF THE LORD in the online Concordances.

Jesus said that the first two Commandments - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind and your neighbor as yourself were the greatest Commandments and on them hangs all of the Law and the prophets. He who does this has fulfilled the whole of the Law and the prophets. The dietary and other nitpicking laws of the Pharisees were man-made religion.

From the things Jesus said about Love - Agape - St. Augustine spend his last years telling people "Little children love one another." and LOVE and do what you will. That phrase is not Crowley's he twisted it and left out the modifier and the most important spiritual message.

Hitler wanted to posses The Spear of Destiny. Why? Because the Roman soldier TEMPORARILY killed Jesus Christ with the Spear but as St. Paul wrote: "It was not possible for death to hold Him. The Lord of Life"

The time periods that these satanists use and reference are all related to Christ - why is that? Because they are imitators of the real Power.

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Adoration of the Mystic Lamb, detail of the Ghent Altarpiece by Jan Van Eyck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_of_God

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghent_Altarpiece

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08755b.htm

The Lamb (in Early Christian Symbolism)

One of the few Christian symbols dating from the first century is that of the Good Shepherd carrying on His shoulders a lamb or a sheep, with two other sheep at his side. Between the first and the fourth century eighty-eight frescoes of this type were depicted in the Roman catacombs.

"The Trinity gleams in its full mystery", the saint tells us. "Christ is represented in the form of a lamb; the voice of the Father thunders from heaven; and through the dove the Holy Spirit is poured out. The Cross is encompassed by a circle of light as by a crown. The crown of this crown are the apostles themselves, who are represented by a choir of doves. The Divine unity of the Trinity is summarized in Christ. The Trinity has at the same time Its own emblems; God is represented by the paternal voice, and by the Spirit; the Cross and the Lamb denote the Holy Victim.

The purple background and the palms indicate royalty and triumph. Upon the rock he stands Who is the Rock of the Church, from which flow the four murmuring springs, the Evangelists, living rivers of Christ" (St. Paulinus, "Ep. xxxii, ad Severum", sect. 10, P. L. LXI,

336). The Divine Lamb was usually represented in apsidal mosaics standing on the mystic mount whence flow the four streams of Paradise symbolizing the Evangelists; twelve sheep six on either side, were further represented, coming from the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem (indicated by small houses at the extremities of the scenes) and proceeding towards the lamb.


http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch ... &x=18&y=13

Revelation 17:13-15 (King James Version)

13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
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