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Peak Oil is quite real

Postby chlamor » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:18 pm

though it's too bad it was given such a facile tag, same is true for Global Warming, as that label tends to obscure the more complicated realities. There is far less oil in the world than we have been led to believe but this still means there is a whole bunch of the stuff. With growing appetites for oil the amount of oil remaining cannot possibly satiate the expanding industrial economies for much longer.

Upstream Economics and the Future Oil Supply
Written by Dave Cohen
Wednesday, 08 August 2007

I have heard people say, ‘Looks like a good prospect. Too bad we have to drill it.’
— Andrew Oram, vice president and senior credit officer at Moody’s Investors Service

A multitude of factors, both geological and economic, point toward a peak in the world's oil supply by 2015. Today's sermon focuses on sharply rising upstream finding and development (F&D) capital costs that jeopardize ongoing and future oil projects. It does not appear, as most economists believe, that higher oil prices and Adam Smith's invisible hand will bring forth abundant new oil supplies to meet rising demand, as happened in the North Sea and Prudhoe Bay in the 1980's. Inflation is hampering the global oil industry's ability to ease a tight market that has little spare capacity.

High Oil-Field Costs Crimp Search for New Supplies (Wall Street Journal, August 1, 2007) explains how inflated capital costs are impeding new oil & gas developments.

But during the current four-year rise in oil prices, inflation for equipment, labor and other crucial oil-field needs has largely kept up with the rise in oil prices. In recent quarters, this has crimped results at the world's oil producers, including Western majors such as Exxon Mobil Corp. as well as the world's biggest state-run oil companies, and has also led to delays and cancellations of major projects. While plenty of activity remains in place, the high prices are nibbling away at other projects that were expected to bring significant new supplies of oil and natural gas to the world.

"Supply is going no place, and demand is rising 2.5% to 3% a year," says economist Philip Verleger Jr. of Aspen, Colo.

Last February, CERA/IHS announced the Upstream Capital Costs Index (UCCI), which tracks finding and development cost trends in 28 oil & gas projects over time. Starting in 2005, costs had risen 53% due to escalating prices for drilling rigs, offshore installation vessels, equipment (compressors, generators), shipyards, fabrication and qualified personnel. Producers facing dramatically higher capital costs (Oil & Gas Journal, February 19, 2007) states that deepwater project costs rose 15% in the 2 quarters prior to the index's release because of "[higher] rig rates, technology limits, and skills requirements." An update in May, 2007, reports that "the dramatic cost surge in the oil and gas industry continues, but the rate of growth shows some signs of slowing" (graph left). The index stood at 179, meaning that project costs have risen 79% since 2000. The annualized inflation rate is 14%.

Even before costs starting soaring in 2005, the per-barrel cost for new oil was increasing. The Oil & Gas Journal (May, 9, 2005) cited a Banc of America Securities study which looked at 12 major international oil companies. The "fully loaded finding and development cost rose to an all-time high of $9.55/boe in 2004 from $7/boe (barrel of oil equivalent) in 2003." The increase was "primarily driven by a 50% drop in proven reserves added per successful well in the US and net negative reserve revisions." The group's 10-year average was put at $5.15/boe. A Lehman Brothers study found that "industry's costs to find and develop oil in 2006 averaged about $20.40 a barrel, four times the $5 a barrel cost in 2001. As a result, the report said, incremental oil supply growth barely will be able to keep up with demand growth until 2011" (Wall Street Journal, op. cit.).

Upstream cost inflation as measured by the UCCI, which began in earnest in 2005, is a case of piling on — F&D costs have been rising steadily for several years now.

UCCIGeology and difficult physical environments are the primary drivers of per-barrel upstream F&D costs outside the Persian Gulf. Moody's David Oran (link at the top) notes that "the deepwater Gulf of Mexico lower Tertiary deposits, unconventional resource plays and oil sands [are] sources of potential growth but with high price tags." Other reasons for higher F&D costs include smaller field developments as measured by estimated recoverable reserves, and applications of enhanced oil recovery (EOR) in older producing fields. It is instructive to look at a successful recent development, the Tui field in the shallow water off New Zealand.

This field, like most offshore projects, will have a production profile1 similar to the one shown (graphic, above left). The production will ramp up quickly, peak for a short while, and then follow a long decline, with decline rates running 10-15% after the peak. The profile resembles the first derivative of an asymmetric Gompertz aging function, not the bell-shaped curve of the derivative of Hubbert's logistic.

Tui is very small, with recoverable reserves of only 27.9 million barrels. Using a supertanker converted into a Floating Production, Storage and Offloading (FPSO) facility, production will quickly reach 50 thousand b/d before falling off. Nonetheless, at an assumed oil price of $60/barrel, and with Tapia Malaysian crude selling well above $70, Australian Worldwide Exploration Ltd. (AWE) expects its $700 million F&D costs to be paid off within 6 months of the first oil.

John S. Herold analyst Chris Ruppel tells us that projects like Tui are the exceptions to the rule (Bloomberg, July, 11).2

Assuming an oil and gas price equivalent to $60 a barrel, a search of published project costs and output data shows the next most economic developments [after Tui] pay for themselves in about six months, Ruppel said. These include BHP's Shenzi, which is due to start pumping 100,000 barrels and 50 million cubic feet of gas a day in 2009, Statoil ASA's $4.5 billion Gjoa field off Norway's southwest coast and the $500 million Oooguruk venture being developed by Pioneer Natural Resources Co. and Eni SpA off Alaska.

Tui "is an interesting phenomena,'' said Herold's Ruppel. "Your typical offshore projects are more in the range of 10 to 15 years'' to break even because of their high cost and decline rates, he said.

Production at Tui will dip to 10 thousand b/d within two years as the water cut increases. AWE beat the financial odds by ordering subsea pipes and the drilling rig in 2005, before the project was even officially approved. And although it sounds expensive, $700 million is not much money for offshore developments. Tui is a shallow water field (400 feet), so it did not have the higher costs of drilling out in the deeper water.

Typical larger offshore developments will not pay for themselves, according to Ruppel, until production is well into the tail-end of curve. With upfront capital costs rising sharply, combined with the high inherent costs of drilling deep offshore in geologically challenging reservoirs, it is easy to see that many projects may be delayed, postponed or canceled (Bloomberg, July 27).

Chevron postponed two Gulf of Mexico oil projects valued at $6.5 billion last month. At the Tahiti project, which had been scheduled to start output next year, shackles needed to connect the production platform to the seafloor were found to be faulty. A project called Jack was put on hold because of a shortage of drilling rigs.

A project called Jack! Only last fall the world was reassured3 that peak oil was a phantom menace because of successful oil flows from a record-setting appraisal well called "Jack #2" in the lower Tertiary of the Gulf of Mexico. Now, it's an afterthought.

Why did oil industry capital costs rise sharply in 2005? CERA/IHS's Richard Ward, who heads up the UCCI project, gives his interpretation in a video interview (Windows Media Player wmv file). Ward cites three reasons: 1) strong global economic growth, which creates competition for commodities (metals) or facilities (shipyards) used in the oil & gas industry; 2) the high oil price, which puts more projects on the table and therefore spurs intra-industry competition for equipment like drilling rigs; 3) inflated pricing from Engineering, Procurement & Construction (EPC) companies who are big asked to make longer commitments and so need to hedge their risks.

CERA/IHS expects inflation to moderate, and perhaps even level out in 2008. A supply-side response will redress equipment shortages, and projects will fall by the wayside due to the increased costs, thus reducing demand pressures within the oil & gas industry. A thorough knowledge of freshman year Economics 101 remains the chief qualification for carrying out analyses at CERA/IHS.

It probably has not escaped Ward's attention—though he makes no comment about it—that part of the solution for industry inflation is to decrease the number of new projects coming on-stream, which can only decrease the future oil supply. In so far as the cure for industry inflation is a slowdown in upstream activity, whereas the initial goal was to accelerate upstream development to meet growing global oil demand, the situation presents a classic Catch-22.

IEA Supply DataLet's contemplate the bigger picture. The graph (left) shows the IEA's quarterly supply data since the beginning of 2005 and averaged totals since 2003. This data invites comparison with the UCC index (first graph, above). Capital costs inflation took off just after 2004, when the oil supply rose 3.3 million b/d, a 4.1% jump in a single year. After 2004, the oil supply grew only 1.9 million b/d in three years, a 2.3% overall increase. Liquids production has been in a bumpy plateau for 9 consecutive quarters through March of 2007.

Since the start of 2005, per-barrel F&D cost increases have easily outpaced the growth in the oil price. The inflation-adjusted oil price (2006 dollars) rose from an average of $47.97 in 2005 to about $61.60/barrel in the first half of 2007, according to Barclays (Wall Street Journal, op. cit.), an increase of about 32%. The UCCI data indicates a 79% increase in F&D capital costs in this period, which is in addition to geological and environmental reasons for steadily rising per-barrel costs since 2001. Unless the adjusted oil price keeps up with industry inflation, planned supply-side additions will continue to be vulnerable to postponement or outright cancellation.

To borrow an analogy from physics, it appears that the amount of work that must be done to increase supply jumped substantially after the world exhausted much of the readily available, last remaining, cheaper oil in 2004. Perhaps it is not too large a stretch to invoke an increase in entropy, where growing industry F&D costs provide an indirect "measure of the unavailability of a system’s energy to do work." The oil supply will grow (or not) as some function of the actual work that gets done to maintain and increase it. Work ceases if rising costs make some oil uneconomical to produce, or the necessary drilling rig is unavailable.

Increasing "entropy" results in insufficient investment in the oil field maintenance required to partially offset the 8% natural declines in existing global production. (This is the estimated rate according to Schlumberger's Andrew Gould.) Net declines are smaller—about 4%—only because investment in additional wells, infill or directional drilling, or EOR, boosts production flows. Diminished investment makes additions to the global oil supply from new projects concomitantly harder to come by, at least outside the Persian Gulf, where F&D costs are presumably still lower than elsewhere. About 1 million b/d of the 2004 increase came from Saudi Arabia, which has subsequently lowered production by an amount approximately equal to its higher 2004 output for reasons that are not clear.

"It [cost inflation] is another negative in an environment that has a lot of negatives already at work," said Joseph Carson, chief economist at investment management firm Alliance Bernstein in New York (Wall Street Journal, op. cit.). It is hard to disagree. The economic argument often invoked to counter peak oil claims is that the high-price environment of the 1970's and early 80's "made a greater amount of untapped oil economical to pump." The assumption is that what worked then will work now. This time around, from the vantage point of 2007, it appears to be a different story.

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Notes

1. The NPC report (Supply Chapter, p. 26-27, Figure S3A-26) says that most oil fields, not just deepwater fields, have the production profile shown. They state "that managing the shape and duration of the production profile is a central issue not only in the peak oil debate but in all prospects for oil supply." Indeed it is.
2. The same Bloomberg article breathlessly reports that —

First-year production from the 27.9 million-barrel Tui field will almost double New Zealand's oil output. By late-2008, when the OMV AG-led Maari project 65 kilometers south of Tui is due to start producing, oil and condensate production will exceed 66,000 barrels a day, beating the previous record set in 1997.

But it is clear that peak flows are ephemeral, as the typical production profile above shows. How long will New Zealand's production exceed 66 thousand b/d? A few weeks? A few months? Take Note: Many people who dismiss peak oil misunderstand this point. New oil fields are usually announced along with their peak flow rates, which gives the impression that oil production is always increasing and rapid, steep declines don't happen.
3. Will wonders never cease? Real life is always better than fiction. To paraphrase Friedrich von Schiller— Against forgetfulness the gods themselves struggle in vain.

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in the middle

Postby vigilant » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:34 pm

Kultleeder asked:

I wonder though, do you believe it is all a scam and the environment is just dandy? Or do you believe that deadly-real environmental issues are being hijacked by vested interests?


No I don't believe the environment is just dandy. We have some problems for sure. But I absolutely believe that environmental issues are hijacked regularly by vested interests. History proves this over and over and over, and I will not clutter the board with example after example. So the truth lies somewhere in the middle. As the saying goes...

"The Devil is in the details"

Ferreting out the details is tough though, when you have vested interests meddling in "everything".....I mean look at the history of lobby groups...not pretty.
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Postby ninakat » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:38 pm

Jeff wrote:Just wondering what the correlation might be between those who believe Peak Oil is a scam and Libertarians/Ron Paul supporters.


It's a good question, and one I'm curious about too. There's a website I visit for various economy-related articles and links. It's called Bull! (Not Bull) and is run by Michael Nystrom who also started a Ron Paul website called Daily Paul. I don't know how representative Nystrom is of Ron Paul supporters, but he does believe in Peak Oil. Here's an article from Nystrom in 2006 (a recent article indicates the same):

Peak-oil, Fact or Fraud? Climbing Mt. Hubbert
http://www.bullnotbull.com/blog/?p=85

Notice also that the concepts of energy and technology are often used interchangeably. They go hand in hand, but they’re not synonymous. And how much clean natural gas are we willing to squander fabricating usable liquid fuels from tar sands? As I recently read, this may be akin to using "caviar to make fake crab-meat." The upside of Hubbert Peak grew human population to levels never-before possible. On the downside we deal with it; a commodities bullfight.
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Postby ninakat » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:39 pm

ERoEI = Energy Returned on Energy Invested
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EROEI

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:40 pm

operator kos wrote:How can you not believe that oil is a finite resource? It's not a question of if but when.


Exactly, this is like asking if the Earth is infinite or not.

Uh, no.

No, it's not.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:42 pm

Don't you all know oil is abiotic?

It's rock-sweat is what it is. All those rocks are just constantly squeezing out oil.
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Postby chlamor » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:48 pm

The Zen Commandments of No-Peak Theocracy

Oil supply and demand always self regulate through free markets.

Oil discovery is directly proportional to exploration investment.

Oil scarcity is an amusing, but discredited conspiracy theory.

Oil production may drop in the future, but not in the present.

Oil is renewable from methane belts deep inside the planet.

Oil energy can be replaced by emerging technology.

Oil energy can be replaced by renewable energy.

Oil energy can be replaced by human creativity.

Oil abundance is self evident.

Oil wealth is a human right.
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Geopolitical Feedback Loops in Peak Oil

Postby chlamor » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:01 pm

It is quite common to hear experts explain that the current tight oil markets are due to “above-ground factors,” and not a result of a global peaking in oil production. In reality, geological peaking is driving the geopolitical events that constitute the most significant “above-ground factors” such as the chaos in Iraq and Nigeria, the nationalization in Venezuela and Bolivia, etc. Geological peaking spawns positive feedback loops within the geopolitical system. Critically, these loops are not separable from the geological events—they are part of the broader “system” of Peak Oil.

Existing peaking models are based on the logistic curves demonstrated by past peaking in individual fields or oil producing regions. Global peaking is an entirely different phenomenon—the geology behind the logistic curves is the same, but global peaking will create far greater geopolitical side-effects, even in regions with stable or rising oil production. As a result, these geopolitical side-effects of peaking global production will accelerate the rate of production decline, as well as increase the impact of that production decline by simultaneously increasing marginal demand pressures. The result: the right side of the global oil production curve will not look like the left…whatever logistic curve is fit to the left side of the curve (where historical production increased), actual declines in the future will be sharper than that curve would predict.

Here are five geopolitical processes, each a positive-feedback loop, and each an accelerant of declining oil production:

1. Return on Investment: Increased scarcity of energy, as well as increased prices, increase the return on investment for attacks that target energy infrastructure. Whether the actor is an ideologically driven group (al-Qa’ida), or a privateer (youth gangs in the Niger Delta), the geologically-driven declines increase the ROI for attacks on energy, which will drive both decisions to act, as well as targeting decisions for that action. This is a positive feedback-loop because attacks on energy infrastructure and supply drive up the price, which further increases the ROI for such attacks. John Robb has calculated the Return on Investment for the most recent bombings of oil and natural gas pipelines in Mexico this September at as high as 1.4 million percent.

2. Mercantilism: To avoid the dawning “bidding cycles” between crude oil price increases and demand destruction, Nation-States are increasingly returning to a mercantilist paradigm on energy. This is the attitude of “there isn’t enough of it to go around, and we can’t afford to pay the market price, so we need to lock up our own supply.” Whether it’s the direction of a pipeline flow out of Central Asia, defending only specified sea lanes, or influencing an occupied nation’s laws on Production Sharing Agreements, there are signs of a new energy mercantilism all around us. This is a positive feedback-loop because, like an iterated “prisoner’s dilemma” game, once one power adopts or intensifies a mercantilist attitude all others must follow suit or lose energy share. It will act to accelerate oil production declines because mercantilism prevents the most economically efficient production of a resource, accelerating the underlying problem of diminishing marginal returns. This issue of energy mercantilism has recently hit the headlines again with the intensification of the race by several nations to to lay claim to the Arctic with its uncertain but possibly vast oil and gas potential.

3. “Export-Land” Model: Jeffrey Brown (westexas on The Oil Drum), has proposed a geopolitical feedback loop that he calls the export-land model (most recently discussed in his Iron Triangle post). In a regime of high or rising prices, a state’s existing oil exports brings in great revenues, which trickles into the state’s economy, and leads to increasing domestic oil consumption. This is exactly what is happening in most oil exporting states. The result, however, is that growth in domestic consumption reduces oil available for export. In states, such as Mexico, where oil production is also in decline, the “export-land” model predicts that oil exports will decline much faster than oil production—and this is exactly what is happening, with the latest PEMEX report showing 5% production decline year-on-year, but 11% export decline.

4. Nationalism: Because our Westphalian system is fundamentally broken, the territories of nations and states are rarely contiguous. As a result, it is often the case that a nation is cut out of the benefits from its host state’s oil exports. This will be especially apparent when the “export-land” effect reduces the total size of the pie to be divided. As a result, nations or sectarian groups within states will increasingly agitate for a larger share of the pie. We see this already within Iraq, Iran (Khuzestan), Nigeria (Delta State), Bolivia (indigenous groups), even places not normally associated with oil production such as Nagaland in India. This process will continue the spread and advancement of the tactics of infrastructure disruption, as well as desensitize energy firms to ever greater rents for the security of their facilities and personnel--both of which will drive the next loop…

5. Privateering: Nationalist insurgencies and economies ruined by the downslide of the “export-land” effect will leave huge populations with no conventional economic prospects. High oil prices, and the willingness to make high protection payments, will drive those people to become energy privateers. We are seeing exactly this effect in Nigeria, where a substantial portion of the infrastructure disruption is no longer carried out by politically-motivated insurgents, but by profit-motivated gangs. This is the ultimate positive feedback-loop: infrastructure disruption further degrades any remnants of a legitimate economy, increasing the incentive to engage in energy Privateering, and compensating for any diminishing marginal returns in Privateering caused by enhanced security or competition from other privateers.

We may see some or all of these effects in any given area, and are already seeing this in some trouble spots. Some states, like Iraq, have been thrown into full-fledged “Nationalism” and “Privateering”-driven geopolitical disruption by the actions of an outside power—in this case, the US invasion was itself largely the byproduct of a shift towards energy mercantilism. This is just one illustration of the synergistic interrelationship of these processes.

The big-picture effect of these geopolitical feedback-loops is this:

Peak Oil theory takes the logistic curve decline of oil from individual fields and producing regions and extrapolates those effects to the world. The result of that extrapolation is that world oil production will follow a geologically-driven logistic curve, and that it will peak and decline in a manner similar to individual fields or producing regions. The decline of a logistic curve gradually tails of in a "long tail" of oil production. The result is a phrase that has become virtual dogma: "Peak Oil is not the end of oil production, but rather the beginning of an inexorable decline in production." Geopolitical positive feedback-loops, however, do not act like logistic curves. They are positive feedback loops that are both self-intensifying and intensified by geologically-driven declines in production. While the geologically-dictated baseline in oil production decline may exhibit a long tail of ongoing production, geopolitical forces may abruptly chop off that tail. Commercial oil production requires some threshold level of security, rule of law, etc. to operate at all. Below that threshold, oil production does not gradually decline, but rather stops completely. Will geopolitical forces, combined with geologically-driven decline, be sufficient to bring oil production to a total halt in the near-term, at least regionally?

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Postby ninakat » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:35 pm

Peak oil primer
from EnergyBulletin.net

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What does peak oil mean for our societies?

Our industrial societies and our financial systems were built on the assumption of continual growth – growth based on ever more readily available cheap fossil fuels. Oil in particular is the most convenient and multi-purposed of these fossil fuels. Oil currently accounts for about 43% of the world's total fuel consumption [PDF], and 95% of global energy used for transportation [PDF]. Oil is so important that the peak will have vast implications across the realms of war and geopolitics, medicine, culture, trade, economic stability and food production. Currently, for every one joule of food consumed in the United States, around 10 joules of fossil fuel energyhave been used to produce it.

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Of the 65 largest oil producing countries in the world, up to 54 have past their peak of production and are now in decline, including the USA (in 1970/71) and the North Sea (in 2001). Hubbert's methods, and variations on them, have been used to make various projections about the global oil peak, with results ranging from 'already peaked', to the very optimistic 2035. Many of the official sources of data used to model oil peak such as OPEC figures, oil company reports, and the USGS discovery projections, upon which the international energy agencies base their own reports, can be shown to be very unreliable. Several notable scientists have attempted independent studies, most notably, Colin Campbell with the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas (ASPO).

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Postby vigilant » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:32 am

In a report titled "The First Global Revolution" (1991) published by the Club of Rome, a globalist think tank, we find the following statement:


"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.... All these dangers are caused by human intervention... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."


Global warming was thought up as an "idea" long ago. Before buying into it "lot stock n barrel", consider the above when it comes to Peak Oil as well...

And "no", I by no means support big oil...I don't like big oil any better than anybody else.
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Postby operator kos » Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:26 am

vigilant wrote:In a report titled "The First Global Revolution" (1991) published by the Club of Rome, a globalist think tank, we find the following statement:


"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.... All these dangers are caused by human intervention... The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."


Global warming was thought up as an "idea" long ago. Before buying into it "lot stock n barrel", consider the above when it comes to Peak Oil as well...

And "no", I by no means support big oil...I don't like big oil any better than anybody else.


I certainly agree that the elites will try to force "solutions" to Peak Oil and Global Warming which serve only their own interests, but that doesn't mean that these phenomena are a scam in and of themselves, nor does it mean that there aren't egalitarian, liberty-enhancing solutions which We the People can enact.
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Re: in the middle

Postby wintler2 » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:47 am

vigilant wrote: No I don't believe the environment is just dandy. We have some problems for sure. But I absolutely believe that environmental issues are hijacked regularly by vested interests. History proves this over and over and over, and I will not clutter the board with example after example. So the truth lies somewhere in the middle. ...
(my emphasis) No, the truth does not necesarily lie somewhere in the middle, at some mushy average of Dick Cheney and Al Gore. It may well lie on the far side of James Hansen & Jay Hanson, given current efforts.
And no, defeatism is not an adult response to our collective problems. Of course those who seek power will be drawn to any vehicle that embodies some, and of course enemies of the common good work to subvert or sabotage, but thats no reason for passive resignation or "i'm too smart to try" indulgences, quite the opposite.


Nice to see fellow peakers politely posting evidence to inform the interested, the 'no its a scam' voters don't seem to have nearly as much to write. One sentance in a book proves..? sheesh.. deja vu all over again http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... sc&start=0
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Re: "We could be making plastic and oil from hemp"

Postby AlanStrangis » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:08 am

slow_dazzle wrote:Can you tell me what the EROEI (energy return on energy invested) is for hemp by-products John?

I'm not being provocative nor am I being snarky. I studied physics for several years at school and my job requires a good knowledge of energy issues. If the EROEI is less than 1:1 then hemp is a net energy drain.

Though I haven't read anything about it in a long time, the EROEI of hemp is somewhere around 5:1 I think...

googling...

Hmmm... from Energy Bulletin
Biodiesel- 3:1
Coal- 1:1 to 10:1
Ethanol- 1.2:1
Natural Gas- 1:1 to 10:1
Hydropower- 10:1
Hydrogen- 0.5:1
Nuclear- 4:1
Oil- 1:1 to 100:1
Oil Sands- 2:1
Solar PV (2) - 1:1 to 10:1
Wind (2) - 3:1 to 20:1

I wish I could remember where I read the hemp number specifically, because I recall it being amongst, if not the most efficient of biodiesels.

PS: Though I believe the concept of Peak Oil is real ('cause it ain't rock sweat ;D ), I'm not certain on the immediacy of the peak, but I'll admit ignorance of the complexities of the subject. If I had to bet though, I'd lean towards the pessimistic side, just a little.
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Postby Jeff » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:23 pm

World oil output struggling, say Arab experts

LONDON, Oct 30 (Reuters) - Leading figures from the Middle East oil industry added their voices on Tuesday to those warning that the world is struggling to sustain rising oil production.

"There is a real problem -- that supply may not be possible to increase beyond a certain level, say around 100 million barrels," Libya's National Oil Corporation chairman Shokri Ghanem said at an industry conference.

"The reason is, in some countries production is going down and we are not discovering any more of those huge oil wells that we used to discover in the Sixties or the Fifties."

Sadad al-Husseini was a key architect of Saudi Arabian energy production policy for more than a decade whilst a top official at state oil firm Saudi Aramco. He was even more pessimistic, saying world oil production had already plateaued.

"We are already three years into level production," Husseini also told the annual Oil & Money conference, a gathering of top executives.

The views are far more conservative than those of the International Energy Agency, adviser to consumer countries, that supply will rise to 116 million bpd by 2030 to meet demand, from about 86 million bpd now.

Production is in decline in some regions, such as the North Sea, increasing the burden on other producers such as the 12 members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries.

A five-year rally in oil prices, which hit a record high above $93 a barrel on Monday, is leading to growing interest in peak oil -- the view that supply has reached, or will soon reach a high point and then fall.

"So many people are talking about the peak oil theory," Ghanem said. "It is not the figure itself but the principle that the world cannot continue being able to produce oil infinitely."

Peak oil theory has its detractors, who say technology can help extend the life of the world's reserves.

The price surge has also coincided with rising scepticism about the size of the world's oil reserves.

OPEC sits on about 75 percent of the world's total proven oil reserves of 1.208 trillion barrels, according to figures compiled by BP in its Statistical Review of World Energy.

Husseini said at the conference that reserves estimates are too high and oil prices can only remain on a rising trend.

Proven oil "reserves" are overstated by 300 billion barrels of speculative "resources", mainly in OPEC countries, he said. By 2030, production of oil and natural gas liquids could fall to about 75 million bpd.

"As long as demand continues to grow, oil prices can only go up," said Husseini.

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Postby ninakat » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:03 pm

Sentiment Grows In Oil-Hungry U.S. For Extended Middle East Presence

by Sherwood Ross

Global Research, October 30, 2007

Sentiment is growing in both political parties for extending the U.S. military presence in Iraq in order “to ensure the safe flow of petroleum,” according to the Nov. 12th issue of The Nation magazine.

Not only is President Bush protracting U.S. engagement in Iraq but the two leading Democratic contenders for his job, Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, don’t appear eager to quit Iraq, either.

Clinton told The New York Times Iraq is “right in the heart of the oil region” and thus “it is directly in opposition to our interests” for it to become a pawn of Iran or failed state. Obama has also spoken of the need to maintain a robust US military presence in Iraq and the surrounding area, writes Michael Klare, the magazine’s defense correspondent and professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College.

Senior officials in both parties, he notes, “are calling for a reinvigorated U.S. military role in the protection of foreign energy deliveries.”

Klare writes no dramatic change in U.S. policy in the Gulf region should be expected from the next administration, whether Republican or Democratic. “If anything,” he says, “we should expect an increase in the use of military force to protect the overseas flow of oil, as the threat level rises along with the need for new investment to avert even further reductions in global supplies.”

The likelihood of a continuing U.S. presence in the Middle East is framed against a backdrop of growing demand for oil. The global output of “liquids,” the U.S. Energy Department says, using its new term for oil, is expected to rise from 84 million barrels of oil equivalent(mboe) per day in 2005 to about 117.6 mboe in 2030. And that’s virtually the same as anticipated demand, Klare reports.

The International Energy Agency has predicted world economic activity will grow on average by 4.5 percent per year by 2012 and world oil demand will grow by 2.2 percent annually, pushing consumption up from 86- to 96-million barrels per day.

Almost all of the increase, Klare writes, will have to come from Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Angola, Libya, Nigeria, Sudan, Kazakhstan and Venezuela, “countries that do not inspire the sort of investor confidence that will be needed to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into new drilling rigs, pipelines and other essential infrastructure.”

Not surprisingly, oil’s price has jumped spectacularly, crossing the $80 per barrel “psychological barrier” on the New York Mercantile Exchange in September and then upwards to as high as $90. Many reasons have been cited for this but “the underlying reality is that most oil-producing countries are pumping at maximum capacity and finding it increasingly difficult to boost production in the face of rising international demand,” Klare writes. He quotes Peter Hitchens of the New York brokerage Teather & Greenwood as saying, “It’s becoming more and more difficult to bring (oil) projects in on time and on budget.”

The result is liable to be the peaking of oil production, triggering an intensified scramble for conventional petroleum resources “with troops being rushed from one oil-producing hot spot to another,” Klare predicts.
This gloomy forecast is causing the world’s oil majors, notably Chevron, to turn their attention to Canada’s Alberta province, with its bountiful tar sands, a gooey substance that can be converted into synthetic petroleum. The rub here, though, Klare says, is this can be done “only with enormous effort and expense.”

What’s more, extracting Alberta’s tar sands is environmentally destructive, as it takes vast quantities of energy to recover the bitumen and convert it into a usable liquid. This process releases three times as much greenhouse gas as in conventional oil production, leaving in its wake toxic water supplies and empty moonscapes.

Klare concludes, “The safest and most morally defensible course is to repudiate any ‘consensus’ calling for the use of force to protect overseas petroleum supplies and to strive to conserve what remains of the world’s oil by using less of it.”

Sherwood Ross is a Miami, Fl-based reporter who covers political and military subjects.
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