No, anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism

[Doodad]

One of the problems with "anti-zionism," is that it travels in questionable circles; I think Jeff and others have made that clear. For me though, the problem is also that it refuses to define itself. Several here have tried yet their efforts come up short and lame. No matter how you look at it, they are essentially anti a lot of things and brand zionism as the epitome of all of them. This broadbrush approach to a movement which is so diverse is absurd and supports hate mongering. Those who which to avoid the anti-semitic label would be well advised to change their self labelling from anti-zionist to anti-this or that policy. After all, how would being "anti-Muslim," fly around here?

[chiggerbit]

Wiki describes Zionsim as a political movement started by Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl back in the 1800's. That hardly qualifies as a religion in my mind, Doodad, if that's what you mean. (Sorry, if it's been said before, but I never follow this topic, as I don't like it.)

[Doodad]

Wiki describes Zionsim as a political movement started by Austrian journalist Theodor Herzl back in the 1800's. That hardly qualifies as a religion in my mind, Doodad, if that's what you mean. (Sorry, if it's been said before, but I never follow this topic, as I don't like it.)

No that's not what I mean although there are religious factions within Zionism and the term Zion itself originates with the old testament

Zion appears 154 times in the Tanakh (Hebrew Old Testament). Some examples from the book of Psalms, which have been frequently recited and memorized by Jews for centuries, state:

* "By the rivers of Babylon we sat down and wept when we remembered Zion." (Psalms 137:1)
* "For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy. Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof; O daughter of Babylon, that art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that repayeth thee as thou hast served us." (Psalms 137:3-8) (King James Version, with italics for words not in the original Hebrew)
* "The builder of Jerusalem is God, the outcast of Israel he will gather in... Praise God O Jerusalem, laud your God O Zion." (Psalms 147:2-12)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion

[Doodad]

Doodoo.

Your scatological obsessions do not further the dicussion.

[chiggerbit]

Alice, please give the name-calling a break.

[vigilant]

from a previous post...Joe this is by no means a slap at you ok buddy? I have seen this all through this thread and I just happened to quickly grab this from your post because it was convenient at the moment....


Who are these guys ?

Same ones who runs the banks, financing all sides of wars and plunging the world in debt - to them. They're backing Hillary (and Giuliani) , lol. Kind of a great big hedge fund from hell.[/quote]

Whats the implication here?

Jewish bankers?

Non Jewish bankers?

What?

Apparantly bankers has been code for Jews (as i found out last year) for a long time.




From a post made by slow-dazzle

Know your enemy...those non-producers who live like parasites off those of us who work in whatever capacity. And that is NOT camoflanguage for "Jewish Bankers".




Ya know...this is one of the saddest, sorriest things I have seen on this forum. This is political correctness run so completely AMUCK AND OFF TRACK is it pitiful........"Oh my God, don't talk about the bankers because some of them are Jewish"

Ohhh, we are supposed to give the people causing "the" problem a break simply based on their ethnicity? I think not.

Yes some of them are Jewish bankers and some of them are not. Just because a lot of the international mobsters bankers are Jewish is no excuse to give them a break. Criminals are criminals no matter what their race, creed, or anything else is. "Banker" is the operative word here, regardless of if they are Jewish, German, American, Spanish, Greek, African, or any other ethnicity...

Yes slow daz this problem was intentionally engineered by the international bankers and they absolutely do have a "Plan B" as you alluded to.

The Plan B is the second half of the problem-reaction-solution equation. These people intend to have a North American Union and anybody that does not see that is walking around in a stupor. Read these peoples words...ok?


"By conquest or consent, we shall have global government"



"A world run by international bankers is surely preferable to the status quo"

These international bankers make the status quo hell for all of us. They "do" finance both sides of these wars. This has been happening since that long bearded Jesus feller ran the "money changers" out of the temple...

If you don't like things the way they are, just wait until they gain "even more control" than they already have. All this talk of the Israel/Palestine issue, and all the talk about political elections, etc....Is exactly focusing on the butt of the problem instead of the head. Who do you think creates all of these problems? Why do you think they do it?

To keep you distracted, off track, confused, and living in a fantasy lane. As long as you are distracted, you won't come to their doorstep with your pitchforks and clubs....which is exactly where you outta be....And no Doodad, I am not advocating violence, so don't get started with it. That was satire to illustrate a point.

[AlicetheKurious]

chiggerbit, please put my post back.

If you object to the "Doodoo" part, you could have asked me to edit it, and I would have. We are talking about replacing "oo" with "ad", right?

I've taken quite a bit of abuse over time, from certain posters, but never asked for anyone to be banned, nor for their offensive posts about me to be removed by a moderator. It wouldn't even occur to me.

For the sake of those two letters, you deleted my post?

What's going on here?

[chiggerbit]

chiggerbit, please put my post back.

No.

[Doodad]

"Oh my God, don't talk about the bankers because some of them are Jewish"

Nonsense. It's very easy to tell from the context when the term is being used to demonize Jews and when it isn't. Even easier when the poster's previous posts are looked at for various code words or lack thereof. If there's a pattern they are walking talking and quacking like an anti-semitic duck.

[vigilant]

"Oh my God, don't talk about the bankers because some of them are Jewish"

Nonsense. It's very easy to tell from the context when the term is being used to demonize Jews and when it isn't. Even easier when the poster's previous posts are looked at for various code words or lack thereof. If there's a pattern they are walking talking and quacking like an anti-semitic duck.

Rubbish....It has gone way too far on this forum.

[Joe Hillshoist]

chiggerbit, please put my post back.

If you object to the "Doodoo" part, you could have asked me to edit it, and I would have. We are talking about replacing "oo" with "ad", right?

I've taken quite a bit of abuse over time, from certain posters, but never asked for anyone to be banned, nor for their offensive posts about me to be removed by a moderator. It wouldn't even occur to me.

For the sake of those two letters, you deleted my post?

What's going on here?

Yeah and quite a bit of it from me.

For that reason alone Alice deserves a fair go.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Ya know...this is one of the saddest, sorriest things I have seen on this forum. This is political correctness run so completely AMUCK AND OFF TRACK is it pitiful........"Oh my God, don't talk about the bankers because some of them are Jewish"

Ohhh, we are supposed to give the people causing "the" problem a break simply based on their ethnicity? I think not.

Thats not the point at all. Ethnicity has sweet fuck all to do with it.

Yes some of them are Jewish bankers and some of them are not. Just because a lot of the international mobsters bankers are Jewish is no excuse to give them a break. Criminals are criminals no matter what their race, creed, or anything else is. "Banker" is the operative word here, regardless of if they are Jewish, German, American, Spanish, Greek, African, or any other ethnicity...

Why mention ethnicity at all, or imply it (which is what I get from comments alluding to "british israelism" and the like.)

Why no mention old WASP bankers?

I don't deny international banking has a seriously nasty side, but any focus on any ethnicity destroys the concept that these people don't give a flying fuck about anyone, whatever their colour, creed or gender.


Even in your quote above its gone from "some" to "alot" - whats the next step "all"?

Call them on their actions and keep the ethnicity or whatever out of it.

BTW Who is "bankrolling" the US at the moment?

"Jewish" bankers? hardly. (tho they have been called "the jews of SE Asia").

BTW s_d went out of his way to clarify that he didn't refer to any ethnicity but to a behaviour (ie actions) only. That is paracitical actions by arseholes.

(edited cos I can't spell "old")

[Jeff]

Unless the content of a deleted post was copied beforehand it can't be restored.

[vigilant]

Even in your quote above its gone from "some" to "alot" - whats the next step "all"?

Ok, I was trying to be kind by simply stopping at "some" but if we have to be that technical I suppose we have to peg it at "a lot" are Jewish and let the truth hurt whomever it does....




Call them on their actions and keep the ethnicity or whatever out of it.

I hear ya Joe, and I agree. That is why I am sick and tired of people trying to tie the word "banker" to the word "Jewish"...Very strange how people seem to hate the fact that it is true....They hate the fact that it is true, so much, that they run to throw a blanket over the bankers by submitting the word "Jewish" into the equation and crying "foul"...


BTW Who is "bankrolling" the US at the moment?

Same bunch of crooked mobster banksters that funds the rest of the world. They are one big gang divided to smaller factions. All these factions work together for a larger common goal...World government. This isn't complicated, unless you get mired in the "micro" bullshit they keep serving onto the world plate, in an effort to keep you blinded to the "macro" nature of the problem, and who is really causing all the bullshit for humanity....

[chiggerbit]

Alice has been following the battle to clean up the name-calling for awhile now, so it's not that she got caught up in this innocently. Unless Jeff instructs me otherwise, I will continue to delete posts that have name-calling in them. If those whose posts get deleted resent the loss of their time and effort, they will have to ask themselves this: Do I, chiggerbit, care more about their time and effort, or do I care more about my own time and effort to continually waste words warning about their inability to stop the name-calling? And, the answer, of course, is that I care more about my own time and effort. Deleting is so much less work than wasting words. And more effective, I would imagine.