Taking responsibility for counteracting bigotry in our midst

[chlamor]

Doodad you're a trip.

[8bitagent]

I will not gloss over the alarming connections of Israeli security firms and Mossad to 9/11.

The point is, what exactly has been proven and is more than just bad jacketing and innuendo? Christ, to hear some tell it, every single Israeli who ever was in the States is a fucking Mossad agent. Do you not see how absurd that has become sans any REAL proof of anything?

Like how every Muslim charity is "al Qaeda"

The problem lies when so many mainstream reports quote CIA officials citing Mossad had penetrated American networks in 2000-2001, and even Mossad trying to say they penetrated al Qaeda, and warned the CIA.

Im PERFECTLY willing to say Israel's role may have been to STOP 9/11

We know the first victim of 9/11 was Daniel Lewin, shot in the face by one of the hijackers on flight 11. Lewin's company was Akamai(which runs myspace, defense company sites, etc) and Lewin was a top anti hijacker commando.

Because I talk about Nick Berg, Mossad, Israeli communications, Israeli spies, Israeli security all involved in 9/11...involved doesnt mean evil.

But you see, you are still being general; not nailing it down. This allows the creeps in. Espionage among allies goes on all the time around the world; it's the nature of the beast. Somehow this is forgotten when 911 is mentioned and it becomes some whisper campaign disguised as a smoking gun. people who would never believe a word they CIA says suddenly believes if it if someone says they saw a document etc etc.

Im not into absolutes

Some people say all occultists are evil
All FBI and CIA are evil
All government is evil
All this, all that is bad


I have a friend whose a first year CIA analyst, and while she doesnt share my "parapolitic" views per se, I respect her a lot

I know damn well a lot of the FBI and CIA are patriotic Americans, and they think they are doing good

Most Masons are good people, and think they are part of a good organization.

Cooperativeresearch has extensive mainstream links to ABC, CNN, BBC, etc documenting Israeli spies, Mossad, etc all over the 9/11 operation.

Again, could be just spy vs spy.

Mossad wanting to be the top cop, scoop the CIA or warn them.

[GM Citizen]

careful jeff

Does that mean I'm guilty of "division"? I hope the fuck so.

clearly you are talking about a bigger tent, but my fear is that the smaller tent closer to home is being divided,

attempts to keep neo-nazis away are admirable but i cant help feeling that the baby is getting thrown with the bathwater,

especially when the most divisive poster on the board - doodad - seems clearly emboldened by what looks like tacit approval from the gracious host,

i for one am intelligent and sensative enough to know the difference between a critique of israeli actions in lebanon for instance,
and an anti-semitic hit-piece masquarading as a critique of israeli actions

in short we are adults, not children


please consider

You and GM citizen have said basically the same thing here; that somehow I am getting preferential treatment and being "allowed," to do something which is somehow nefarious.

This is of course absurd.

My question in return would have to be why the two of you hold so dear the right to have such tripe continue to be respectable. Because that it is surely what it seems like.

"Emboldened," implies I was scared to say something. My history here should put the lie to that canard.

I said that you get more leeway than most, in my opinion. For whatever reason, I can surely never guess why, correctly, and so I never do.

In the past you have accused some posters of being racists, writing disinformation, being propagandists, using brainwashing techniques in their writing, wanting to censor you, using blatant false attribution, and so on.

You have also called some people liars, bigots, paranoids, fascists, stupid, anti-semites, and possibly more.

Why you have gotten away with all of that above, is beyond me, but it is a fact.

You often appear to be a veritable simulacrum, with a propensity towards the canard as possibly a method of agitation, argument, or maybe even simply for misdirection.

To sum it up, your history here is a canard.

But hey man, I still love you. We need people like you. Keep canarding....quack, quack, hahaha.

[GM Citizen]

I will not gloss over the alarming connections of Israeli security firms and Mossad to 9/11.

The point is, what exactly has been proven and is more than just bad jacketing and innuendo? Christ, to hear some tell it, every single Israeli who ever was in the States is a fucking Mossad agent. Do you not see how absurd that has become sans any REAL proof of anything?

When you say "every single", it is quite different from some/many, or an undetermined number. The truth likely appears to be an undetermined number.

I am here to help you, buddy.

[Jeff]

Ok, so the guy has some serious issues.

1) His role as an 911 truther should not paint other 911'ers with his stain.

The issue of the article is how to distinguish 9/11 Truth from anti-Semites exploiting it for their own agenda and reclaim it from the hard right that has hijacked it. I've blogged about it myself. It's principally an issue for the Left. If that's not where you are, then you're liable to miss the point.

2) Holocaust denial is yet another lousy label, sometimes used to paint/taint folks that merely question the numbers, and not the acts. (See: anti-semite, nazi, etc)

It's pretty easy, actually, to tell scholarly investigation from illegitimate revisionism. Part of it is by the company the revisionists keep.

3) By him saying "Zionist crime network running horrendous crimes" does not negate the possibility of that being true.

Is that like saying the Protocols may be forgeries, but that doesn't alter the fact they may be true?

Thus, he has been labelled, tarred and feathered, and everything coming out of him is therefore no good.

He's earned the label and he's tarred and feathered himself with his own words. Anyone who would use him now as a source for anything should know that well is poisoned.

Now understand this: I am NOT saying he is good. But any facts/truths he may have unearthed are pretty much rendered useless.

As orz said, rendered useless by him.

[jingofever]

Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."

Ben can say anything he wants after the fact, he took no part in the phone conversation, nor did he record it...

Timeline

Jones asks..gets a "no" reply

Bollyn goes around gatekeepers- gets a "Yes" reply

Ben Chertoff answers, gives a "maybe" reply, but assures us it doesn't matter anyway, because there was no funny business, honest...

Ben didn't say, "maybe he is my cousin." He said, "maybe we are distantly related," so distant as to be irrelevant. And are you sure Bollyn didn't sex up his interview? That is what Chertoff alleges. I assume he has no trouble finding out what Bollyn asked his mother and how she responded. Like I said, I trust Chertoff over Bollyn, you trust Bollyn. One of us will have to call her.

[Doodad]

To sum it up, your history here is a canard.

hmmmmm that's almost as nasty as me saying for instance that you are some kind of apologist. Not that I would of course.

Have a great day.

[Horatio Hellpop]

Hey mr doodad, what's the best way to counter-act your anti-arab/islamic bigotry???

[Doodad]

Hey mr doodad, what's the best way to counter-act your anti-arab/islamic bigotry???

I have none. Please see your shrink....soon.

[Horatio Hellpop]

it seems to me that you do....

[Doodad]

it seems to me that you do....

Well you are very wrong.

[Horatio Hellpop]

I may be. I emphasise that it is only the impression I get and somewhat influenced by the political position you take. And these kind of accusations are hard to defend one's self from.... if you know what I'm saying......

[Doodad]

I may be. I emphasise that it is only the impression I get and somewhat influenced by the political position you take. And these kind of accusations are hard to defend one's self from.... if you know what I'm saying......

Defend? Why would I defend against nonsense? Hey, knock yourself out with your belief...my treat.

[Horatio Hellpop]

I think my point went over your head. Let me spell it out....even though you seem to be aligned with the Israeli's re: the Middle East conflict - it is wrong of me to suggest that this automatically means you are anti-Arab/Islam. Now can you relate that to anything???

[Doodad]

I think my point went over your head. Let me spell it out....even though you seem to be aligned with the Israeli's re: the Middle East conflict - it is wrong of me to suggest that this automatically means you are anti-Arab/Islam. Now can you relate that to anything???

hmmmmmmm, Dr. Phil?