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Postby slimmouse » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:59 pm

I was just looking at making some kind of small donation to a charity, to celebrate the new birth of the sun - you know that " jesus is born" bulllshit brought to you by the usual suspects.

So I go to the oxfam site and find this ;

A green gadget that’s perfect for techie-geeks and ecowarriors. These ingenious water pump and filter systems use solar-powered technology to bring clean, safe drinking water to some of the most remote places on the planet, without costing the earth.

http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/ProductDet ... uct=OU2742

My point ?

Well firstly, in the "normal world", I find it incredible that oxfam arent sharing the details of such technology .

But of course secondly, to tell you riggies, that this kind of technology is out there in spades.

Its actually free, relatively speaking. Its actually available , relatively speaking

It would actually free humanity from its ever since controlling influences.

Ahhh. that fucking explains why we never hear of it ;)
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Postby wintler2 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:18 am

What exactly is this thing you are telling us proves
slimmouse wrote:this kind of technology is out there in spades.

all i could see was
Plans for an Oxfam water ‘desalination’ (salt-removal) system. In Pakistan, solar-powered water systems like this are turning seawater into clean drinking.


and 35 pounds is not free. How much water might it produce? doesn't say. inclkude materials with plans? doesn't say.
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Postby orz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:37 am

What are you talking about slimmouse? It's just a gimmicky way to make a charity donation to oxfam... you seem to imply they're claiming to have some kind of secret free energy technology that's being hidden from us!?
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:30 am

Sounds like an interesting gadget. I'd like to know more about it.
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Postby NavnDansk » Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:47 am

It does sound interesting slimmouse. I have gotten interested in Sustainable Living because of Irridescent Cuttlefish's great links - used to be bored by it but some of those houses are great and reading The Clan of The Cave Bear series esp. The Valley of The Horses and some of the links on the great messageboards AuelFans and The Auel Board illustrate some survival techniques in creative terms.

http://www.simondale.net/house/intview.htm

Interview:
Organic Architecture and its influence on Human Being
A Portrait of a Natural Way of Living


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Homelessness and social deprivation

100,000 thousand families are homeless or in 'temporary accommodation'. This is twice the number of twelve years ago, despite all the economic progress governments claim to have made. Millions are
living out a half-life in decaying inner cities, and millions more are trapped in estates on the edges of the towns and cities of Britain, many without hope of anything worthwhile to do; without land on which to grow food; without space for their families to grow up nearby; and without contact with nature or their natural heritage.

They live in rectangular boxes designed by another class for another generation, planned by public officials they have never met. The TV programmes that are watched for 5 hours a day on average (what else is there to do?), videos and films, all offer largely some form of escapism. This 'underclass' is so numerous that controlling it is now the government's greatest worry. Thousands are criminalised and packed into our antiquated prisons. Only Turkey, of the European states, exceeds Britain's rates of prison population, which has risen from 40,000 to over 74,000 in the last twelve years.

Most of the 'underclass', however, stay where they are, needing more and more billions of DSS and 'Law 'n' Order' budgets to be spent containing them in the deteriorating homes they already have. Why the big fuss about asylum seekers? Because the way of life of the poorest 20% of the population already here is so lousy that there is simply no more space within the system to allow more poor people in.

http://www.simondale.net/house/

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# Fridge is cooled by air coming underground through foundations
# Skylight in roof lets in natural feeling light
# Solar panels for lighting, music and computing
# Water by gravity from nearby spring
# Compost toilet
# Roof water collects in pond for garden et


The Context

I should really be dealing with the slightly sticky area of planning permission and the place of this kind of low impact living project in relation to our contemporary society. To save myself many hours of brain and finger ache I'd like to offer you this fine article by our friend and inspiration Tony Wrench. He and his lady Jane live in this beautiful roundhouse which has been the subject of a planning debate which after seven years is still on going.

http://www.simondale.net/house/context.htm

Permaculture Land


It is my contention here that we could make some small adjustments to planning law which would have beneficial consequences in several problem areas, and would enable significant progress towards a sustainable society. I am deeply concerned about the way our society is relating to the earth, and am continually baffled by the obstacles that prevent me simply doing what my grandfather did - build a wooden house in the countryside.

Planning has achieved some successes, particularly in the field of controlling the worst visual excesses of a growth-geared free market, but it is fighting a losing battle. For many reasons - historical, political, economic and ecological - it just isn't working, because the UK government has not yet realised that its policies are incompatible with the needs of the environment. We are breaking the oldest rule in the book - our way of life is not sustainable. Some of the symptoms are:

Unsustainable agriculture

We have a trade deficit on food with the rest of the world of £5 billion per year, and rising; this is in a country that prides itself on its agricultural productivity and practices. Our ancestors ate what they grew or what they could find and catch in nature around them. No longer. We now depend on other countries to grow much of our food for us. In a world where so many are starving this is a risky, not to say selfish, business. With the authorities asking them to be guardians of the countryside but stacking the advantages in favour of agri-business, small farmers are in a difficult position and are the most suicide-prone of all occupations. Meanwhile, pesticide residues mount in the soil and nitrates permeate our drinking water. The demand in organics cannot be met by our own system.

Overemphasis on 'jobs'

The economy is still geared to fear of unemployment. The holistic alternatives to a job-based economy have yet to be even countenanced by the establishment. (This myopia is not limited to Britain, of course. At present the main priority of planning in all the major economic powers in the world is to find solutions to unemployment.)

Planners pretend that in twenty years' time our society will still be in the same state as their elders insisted it was when they took their diplomas. They should be looking forward to a society in which people are engaged in real work of their own choice, and this only happens when people have access to land, if they need it. The threat to our whole way of life posed by dramatic climate changes and sea level rise has so far been totally ignored by planners.

You are looking at pictures of our family home in Wales. It was built by myself and my father in law with help from passers by and visiting friends. 4 months after starting we were moved in and cosy. I estimate 1000-1500 man hours and £3000 put in to this point. Not really so much in house buying terms (roughly £60/sq m excluding labour).

The house was built with maximum regard for the environment and by reciprocation gives us a unique opportunity to live close to nature. Being your own (have a go) architect is a lot of fun and allows you to create and enjoy something which is part of yourself and the land rather than, at worst, a mass produced box designed for maximum profit and convenience of the construction industry. Building from natural materials does away with producers profits and the cocktail of carcinogenic poisons that fill most modern buildings.I couldn't agree more.

I am completely up for setting up a community and believe it is a very good option. I don't like living among people trapped in the system. I don't want to be part of the system and I really think that we should cut our losses and stop participating in the system. I have been researching the subject and giving it a lot of thought. I think that spending our lives living in their communities is a dead loss. I feel like I am part of the system even tho i do not agree with it. I see that there would be a lot more strength in numbers and the opportunity to live free.

I see that by continuing to live a 'normal' life I am inadvertently financing the NWO and am not leading by example. I am not living by what I believe in.

As for such communities being a target for the NWO I think that we are much more vulnerable in isolation. Chck out this link. www.simondale.net/house/i think the best way to fight the elite... is educating people, how materialism is ruining and poisoning our planet... and making people unhappy... not happy.

show people, who's really benefiting from our massive consumption of luxuary products.

show people the truth about the U.S. wars, like the war on democracy does....and massively kindly asking the elite to please stop terrorizing us.

let's not piss the elite off, and let's help them realize there is another way.

and when doing the above,don't talk about the reptiles, or the satanic rituals at bohemian grove, or the fact that Bush etc. are actually pedophiles.

even it is true... because it can't be proven, it's only scares most people away.
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Postby orz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:29 pm

Great post! Would love to live in a hobbit house like that! ^_^
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:34 pm

Edited out to satisfy wintler.
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Postby orz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:38 pm

hehe great minds think alike :)
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Nov 27, 2007 12:49 pm

edit: Here you go, wintler, is this better?
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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:43 pm

You should post that information over at RI's Self Sufficiency forum, NavnDansk.

http://tinyurl.com/255ssy
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Postby wintler2 » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:26 pm

So nobody has any idea what slimmouse was so excited about, least of all slimmouse, but chiggerbit & orz would like a treehouse? For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:40 pm

For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.


A box of matches can be so much fun. :twisted:
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Postby orz » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:56 pm

So nobody has any idea what slimmouse was so excited about, least of all slimmouse, but chiggerbit & orz would like a treehouse? For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.

Haha yes that's about the size of it.
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Postby slimmouse » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:09 pm

wintler2 wrote:So nobody has any idea what slimmouse was so excited about, least of all slimmouse, but chiggerbit & orz would like a treehouse? For f%^cs sake, there more real and useful information on a box of matches than in all the posts of these three einsteins.


Ill tell you what Wintler. I resolved a while back now to try and be far more civil to my fellow RIers.

But with you Im gonna make an exception.

Go fuck yourself, you irritable denialist.

Ive SEEN stuff that fucking works, so dont give me your bullshit, if you dont mind thankyou.
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Postby blanc » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:26 pm

love the house but think lets not piss off the elite lets show them there's another way is hopelessly optimistic, and has anyone worked out how much woodland would be needed to permit that much ground space to each person in the tenant families of this tower block I'm sat in typing......
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