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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:07 pm

Ever heard the saying "Sometimes the best place to hide the truth is in plain sight"?<br><br>I had a really interesting/bizarre/out there/synchronous converstaion this evening.<br><br>Oh yeah and from the outset - this guy claims to have never read Da Vinci code, or to know what its about.<br><br>Is the true holy grail a free energy device.<br><br>What are the two most needed things on earth today?<br><br>I feel they are free energy and compassion. <br><br>and will the second coming be that one of Jesus and Mary Magdeline's descendants an ordinary human like us with extraordinary potential, works it out, and will it resemble that jodie Foister movie contact in some way.(That last bit has been where the train of thought has led me)<br><br>Oops let that one slip<br><br>Has anyone ever heard anything remotely resembling this before?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Hey Joe

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:40 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/starfire1.html">Try this</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>from<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles.html">Here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hey Joe

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:50 pm

Sorry Joe, just read your soccer-Blake post and seen you've heard of Gardner. And since you're Aussie you've probably seen Nexus. Good luck with the cup tho. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hey Joe

Postby Iroquois » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:08 pm

This is the plot of Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco.<br><br>see: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault's_Pendulum_(book)">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fou...lum_(book)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>On edit: Of course, this does not necessarily imply there is not a grain or more of truth to the story.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=iroquois@rigorousintuition>Iroquois</A> at: 6/15/06 12:15 pm<br></i>
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Re: Hey Joe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:40 pm

Yeah I read Focault's Pendulum, never got the bit about the grail being a Joe cell or some such device.<br>Focault's pendulum seemed to me about the process of ideas moving from Kether to Malkuth as some sort of Psychological Map. The book to me somehow reflected the process of Cabalism, not that I have studied it properly. I knew a guy who studies Cabalism at some uni in Israel, he seemed to know his stuff.<br><br>I suppose it makes sense, I thought Eco was using the grail as a metaphor for blindly chasing power.<br><br>the best literature bleeds into reality<br><br>I never thought much of Gardiner... Always seemed he was trying to push an agenda of justification.<br><br>For elitism and the aristocracy, afetr all what is the concept of bloodlines if it isn't some attempt to justify "The divine right of kings". Then again he could be just doing his job and not full of shit (his job as geneologist, not some hypothetical psyop manager for royalty.)<br><br>(This bit went missing edited in)Now I am not so sure. The bloodline thing has been around for a while, its a funny ole meme. And it gets confirmed from the weirdest places. So nnow I am prepared to give Gardiner more of a go.(Missing bit <-)<br><br>Especially after last night's conversation where he told me about his ancestors from Scotland. Apparantly they fought the Poms in the last war there, about 150 to 200 years ago, I dunno what battles, perhaps the highland clearances... They were from the highlands.<br><br>Anyway three brothers, who were facing being hung were saved with the intervention of a Scottish Laird woirking with the British. They were given the opportunity of travelling to Aussie as either free settlers or being sent here as convists.<br><br>They took artifacts with them including a painting of Stonehenge, with inscriptions in latin. Me mate said it eneded up rotting in the shed in the back yard. they are connected to Scottish Freemasonry, his Grandad was one.<br><br>Grandpa told him they were all about protecting the bloodline till the second coming, which is more akin to the story of Aragorn ala Lotr than Jesus coming back and Revelations. At least it seems that way from what ole matey said.<br><br>I never expected to hear anything like this off this bloke.<br><br>BTW he is referring to the Mahadi or whatever that Muslim thing is, as well as the Christian expectation of the second coming and blah blah blah.<br><br>He also said every power institution in the world is looking for this guy/girl right now, cos they know once he or she gets here its all over for them. Thats why they are all claiming to be him and on his side. They want to stop it before it happens.<br><br>The conversation we had went long into the night and covered so many different things.<br><br>I mentioned the Joe cell, cos Joe X is from around here somewhere.<br><br>He went to school with my father in law.<br><br>Joe X of Joe cell fame reckons that basically God showed him how to build the cell, and that it also fits with my rates rave. He knew nothing of the Joe cell btw, or so he claimed. Apart from that people build H cells and try and get them to work properly.<br><br>(The proper Joe cell is supposed to run cold, annd silent and cause implosion not explosiions apparantly, I dunno I can't the bits of the one I have to even generate gas.)<br><br>I dunno where all this leads. One thing I do know is that in Focault's pendulum all the characters took this stuff too seriously and had no sense of humour about it. No wonder they lost the plot.<br><br>Gotta go, I have my sister in laws wedding today.<br><br>Oh seamus thanks for your wishes about the cup.<br><br>Oh yeah that monoatomic white gold or whatever LG goes on about. That really grabbed my attention. But I read it in Nexus, and suddenly there were so many adds for the stuff in the mag. Then the royal apologist stuff just made me bored with him. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=joehillshoist>Joe Hillshoist</A> at: 6/16/06 10:08 am<br></i>
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Re: Hey Joe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:57 am

Bloody hell thats an incoherent post. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:26 pm

I know what you mean about gardner being a pillar of the establishment but at least he does declare his interests and I think that's what makes him more credible. I'm not saying he has all the answers but his agenda is clear.. to put the Stuarts back on the thrones of europe because it's their god-given right.<br>He claims the bloodline should reign as benevelent dictators and that probably was the original plan before they were violently usurped. Problem is we now have to deal with the usurpers of his crown, which may have passed through many hands since.<br>Gardners tales of the inner machinations of elites inform and warn us or offer vines to grasp when we're falling but unless we can decide our own futures we're just their sheep.<br>Oh, and how's it going with the cup? As you always get the ashes you may as well have something to put them in. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re: Hey Joe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:14 pm

yeah I agree he is up front and we know where he is coming from, and being an anti authoritarian anti royalty egalitarian australian I don't like that spot he's coming from. My country is still a British colony, by stealth. (Who owns Rio tinto for example, well most of it.)<br><br>There is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship. Thats a croc if ever I heard one. Leadership comes from respect, and works best when everyone is involved and feels part of the control of the situation. On a firefront in the bush, the crew leader is a dictator technically. But in a volunteer organisation, where people's safety is on the line, leadership without consent, support and assistance from everyone on the crew is impossible and doesn't work.<br><br>However a crew leader that involves and relies on his crew for feedback and even for advice on how to act in situations will always have a much better chance of keeping his or her charges safe and achieving the goals of each particular mission.<br><br>That is in reality a temporary conditional benevelant dictatorship that only works because of the complete and ongoing support of the crew. And that occurs because someone has to be the head, and make the decisions, but the rest of the body is more important.<br><br>All dictatorships start with the concent of the population, but what follows in the "real" world seems to be the adaption of the population and the environmant to support the dictatorship. This will not work on a firefront, simply because when the actual front hits it can be a wall of flame hundreds of feet high.<br><br>Such things are not interested in a human dictators POV.<br><br>I guess that brings us to the ashes...<br><br>Well if we can get em back later this year it will be good. Even if the Aussies hold the ashes title, the actual trophy stays at lords or the MCC. Yet another holy grail that the establishment cannot relinquish control of.<br><br>Anyway tomorrow night we take on the kings of Joho Benito or whatever they call it. Tomorrow night at about 2pm the Brazilians ain't gonna knnow what hit them.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>when we're falling but unless we can decide our own futures we're just their sheep.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thats right thats why this free energy thing sounds so interetsing to me right now. Frankly that second coming bullshit gives me the irrits. If the second coming was like that English TV show of last year, dunno the name, but that new DR Who was in it. He played Jesus in the second coming. He woke up one day and realised he the sopn of God. Everyone thought he was crazy till he made night into day or something, then society went crazy.<br><br>Ultimately he killed himself by eating a poison meal, his best friend had prepared for him. She told him beforehand and he ddin't want to eat it. Started justifying his life as the son of God and that. Till he was saying how he could change the world and force everyone to do his will.<br><br>Then he realised and ate the meal.<br><br>His last words were:<br><br>"Power mad, time to go."<br><br>Thats the sort of messiah I could respect.<br><br>One thing about the article you linked to that struck me as wild was the sex magic stuff in it. All that about the ambrosia being the menstruum of certain bloodline chicks (mate).<br><br>Gardiner mentioned that secretions from the pineal gland (among other endecrine secretions) are fopund in high concentrations in menstral blood. He refers to melatonin as part of the magical content of the ambrosia, melatonin being secreted by the pineal gland, however we all know what else the pineal gland can synthesise. V interesting in light of Jeffs last post on the Blog. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re: Hey Hey Joe Joe

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:57 pm

I wasn't suggesting we let the holey family take over the world, just that their vision may be better than the supervision we're under now.<br>When I mentioned benevolent dictatorships I was thinking Castro, Chavez, Marcos.. y'know leaders who dare arm the populace knowing those arms can be turned against them but trusting they'll be used to defend their freedoms.<br>btw do you work in emergencies?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Re: Hey Hey Joe Joe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:32 pm

I have been a volunteer bush firefighter for the last 10 years. I am a qualified crew leader, and have also been the authorised permit offiicer in this part of the world. That means in fire season, I have the responsiblity for fires that are lit in my area. If you want to light a legal fire I have to authorise it. Its government power gone mad I tell you.<br><br>Its pretty funny (given my history and stuff) - I have authority to use to use force to enter premises and remove people in certain circumstances, ptrobably to detain them too, tho I have never really looked into it. Oh the power, the power. I love the fact that I get to tell cops what to do. I would never have seen that in my future 15 years ago. I actually take the permit officer thing seriously. I have seen people lose their homes, stock and livelihoods to bushfires, and am proud to say I have helped save more than a few homes over the years. Just like the tens of thousands of other volunteer fireys across this wide brown land. Bless em all.<br><br>Chavez isn't a dictator is he? I just don't think there is any effective opposition in his country, basically cos the only opposition to what he is doing comes from people who want to sell their nations assets to foreign interests for a quick buck. Leadership is a strange thing. Esp in politics.<br><br>There is a link to a bloke who is the leader of the Higanon people in the Phillipines, in that psychedelic shamanism thread.<br><br>I think someone like him would be a great benevelent dictator. He is also in the position where the tribal elders can end his reign at any time, in a rather brutal fashion. And he'd rather sit around and play songs on his guitar. probably the most important qualification for political power IM up itself O. <p></p><i></i>
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Hey Hey Joe Joe out of the blue and into the octarine

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:22 am

Further thoughts on the conversation I had with old matey down the hill.<br><br>The whole point of the bloodline thing was that the person who would develop the free energy device that will change humanity in the way fire did, would come from that family line.<br><br>That they would be spiritually and emotionally developed enough to be able to tease out the details. personally, I think that is a bit much. Almost like a meme designed to prevent others from investigating the subject.<br><br>Some comments my friend down the hill said were interesting.<br><br>- That the device has been in use before, that it may be hidden in the world, but it may also hidden in the universe of ideas, waiting for the right mind to come along and pluck it out.<br><br>- That the grail reference was also to a property of the device, that it caused a glowing cup or grail shaped fire to form when it was in operation. Apparantly people have been burned by this device, though whether the device caused radiation burns is unclear.<br><br>The description he gave was of something that immediately made me think of plasma. That somehow the device caused plasma to form...<br><br>Its got me thinking anyway.<br><br>About a few things.<br><br>Pyramid Power. This has been the subject of ridicule, so here's my experience. I made a small cardboard pyramid to the specs in "Supernature" that 70s book. Put a stanley knife blade into the spot that supposedly is where the kings chamber is. The blade was blunt and rusty, and magnetised.<br><br>The pyramid was in a spot in the house as far from electrical interference as is possible, there were no electric wires or lines in the walls within 10 feet of it.<br><br>It was made of cardboard and taped together with masking tape down the edges where each trianglular face met.<br><br>The blade was no sharper in the morning, but the weird thing was it was no longer magnetised. It was completely demagnetised because it spent one night in a cardboard pyramid built roughly to the specs of the great pyramid.<br><br>I dunno what caused that, and would appreciate a mundane explanation if there is one.<br><br>Tho I'm not holding my breath.<br><br>The thought occurred to me, what if two counter rotating pyramid shaped magnetic fields were activated ...<br><br>There are a few other pieces to this (possibly pointless) puzzle that i haven't figured out just yet.<br><br>- Like the Merkaba of Bob Frissell in that book "Nothing in this book is true but its exactly how things are".<br><br>- The effect of spirals and of vibration on the process.<br><br>- How and where music fits in, cos for some reason its seems vitally important.<br><br>- The fractal nature of the structure of the energy that is released.<br><br>- The relationship between dancing, especially spiral dancing and maypole like, sun dance like and other tribal dances that involve circular motion and perhaps rotation in an orbit.<br><br>Dancing around something in a circle, while spinning on your own axis or cental point is a bit like the earths motion thru space.<br><br>- Is a human nervous system necessary, or would a simply mechanical structure do the trick?<br><br>BTW Free energy simply means you don't have to pay for it. <p></p><i></i>
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speaking of free energy

Postby cortez » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:58 am

This is not free energy but cool nonetheless<br><br> This guy has invented a way to power motors with water. He can drive 25 miles on one OUNCE of water. Or so he claims<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HF__Qlhtnws">youtube.com/watch?v=HF__Qlhtnws</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The flame looks exactly the same as the xogen video<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=kl5Ej3lfBig">youtube.com/watch?v=kl5Ej3lfBig</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I beleive the actor in the xogen video was the lead in 'North of 60' <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: speaking of free energy

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:36 pm

It's electrolysis, nothing free in that. You have to consume energy to break the hydrogen-oxygen bond and you don't get it all back when they re-combine. Nothing is "free", everything has a price.<br><br>Still, the technology, if it's real and not a hoax, would bust the monopoly the energy corps have. That would be great. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: speaking of free energy

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:31 am

Free energy refers to the cost of maintaining the energy supply, to your pocket. (To me)<br><br>Chopping down a tree and burning it in a wood fire stove is free energy.<br><br>Of course its not a complete truism, the idea is to stop thinking of it in terms of "free from the universe ignoring certain ideas that drive physics" and think instead of "what does this cost me every day, in cents and dollars that could pay for my childs education and medication." IMO <p></p><i></i>
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Re: speaking of free energy

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:55 pm

Gardner proposes a source of free energy, monatomic gold in a high spin state (whatever that means). Lighter than gravity and a cheap(?) substitute for his daughter's menstrual blood by the sound of it. What I find interesting in his stuff is the mixture of Ickes reptilian theories and Sitchin's nephilim history.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sitchin.com/">www.sitchin.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Free energy refers to the cost of maintaining the energy supply, to your pocket. (To me)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I can't disagree more. Free energy as I see it is energy you can have now without having less energy later. Your example of chopping down a tree leaves you treeless with less energy resources. Wind and Solar power are better examples since the source is not depleted by the use of.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Chavez isn't a dictator is he?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>He's won more elections and referenda than anyone on the continent (and honestly) but to listen to the neocons.. well would you?<br><br>Chavez reminds me what's possible. <p></p><i></i>
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