American Ate My Brain II

[FourthBase]

And to Jose, thank you for the reply.
But now, what if the Marvel Zombies become a movie?

[annie aronburg]

Hopefully this wiki entry is not contaminated:

As a writer, Mark Gruenwald is best-known for a ten-year long stint as the writer of Captain America (from 1985 to 1995), and for the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.

In 1996, Gruenwald succumbed to a heart attack, the result of an unsuspected congenital heart defect. In accordance with his request, he was cremated, and his ashes were mixed with the ink used to print the first trade paperback compilation of Squadron Supreme.

Gruenwald was famous for a perfect recollection of even the most trivial details. An annual contest where fans tried to stump him with obscure questions was eventually discontinued by Marvel as it became clear he would never lose.

[IanEye]

Hopefully this wiki entry is not contaminated:

In 1996, Gruenwald succumbed to a heart attack, the result of an unsuspected congenital heart defect. In accordance with his request, he was cremated, and his ashes were mixed with the ink used to print the first trade paperback compilation of Squadron Supreme.

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The men don't know, but the little girls understand....

i bet he got the ashes idea from the Kiss Marvel comic, where the members of Kiss each "donated" some blood for the first printing of their debut marvel issue.

also, in terms of your sig annie, are you quoting willie dixon, jim morrison, or the knack?

[annie aronburg]

Willie, of course, though I did buy my sister a copy of "Good Girls Don't" for her 8th birthday.

My parents took it away, do you think they were being anti-semitic?

Annie @

[IanEye]

....though I did buy my sister a copy of "Good Girls Don't" for her 8th birthday.

My parents took it away, do you think they were being anti-semitic?

Annie @

annie:

She's your adolescent dream,
Schoolboy stuff, a sticky sweet romance.
And she makes you want to scream,
Wishing you could get inside her pants.
So, you fantasize away.
And while you're squeezing her, you thought you heard her saying...

"Good girls don't,
Good girls don't,
She'll be tellin' you,
Good girls don't, but I do."

So, you call her on the phone
To talk about the teachers that you hate.
And she says she's all alone,
And her parents won't be coming home til late.
There's a ringing in your brain,
Cause you could've sworn you thought you heard her saying...

"Good girls don't,
Good girls don't,
She'll be tellin' you,
Good girls don't, but I do."

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste.
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
Til she's sitting on your face.

You're alone with her at last,
And you're waiting til you think the time is right.
Cause you've heard she's pretty fast.
And you're hoping that she'll give you some tonight.
So, you start to make your play,
Cause you could've sworn you thought you heard her saying...

"Good girls don't,
Good girls don't,
She'll be tellin' you,
Good girls don't, but I do."

And it's a teenage sadness
Everyone has got to taste.
An in-between age madness
That you know you can't erase
Til she's sitting on your face.

Good girls don't,
Good girls don't,
She'll be tellin' you,
Good girls don't, but I do...

eye fail to see any anti - semetic aspect to these lyrics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...But_The_Little_Girls_Understand&action=edit
this song got to # 11 on the US charts by the way.....

i do see/hear a somewhat pro - cunning/linguist aspect.

care to elaborate?!?

[theeKultleeder]

Hey, TKL, please forgive me in advance for having grown up to love not just zombies, but fine distinctions, too! I can't tell if the implicit opposition between trope and meme in your post is intentional or not. But strictly (and as far as I'm aware, colloquially) speaking, neither is inherently good or evil, or value-laden in any way. Nor are they necessarily mutually exclusive.

I just though your "moral compass" meme was funny. Look, comics were bad-evil back in the 1950's, too. As if reading a scary story with pictures is going to somehow fundamentally alter your moral sense!

I don't know how it is that people feel so utterly hopeless in the face of fiction, like reading about zombies will turn you into one.

That is some serious mojo!

If a people are worried about memes, they should learn to recognize them. Having recognized someone putting an idea in your head, you can accept or reject it at will.

And I used "trope" because it is a word that has spread meme-like since Jeff used it. Words have a funny way of doing that.

[annie aronburg]

....though I did buy my sister a copy of "Good Girls Don't" for her 8th birthday.

My parents took it away, do you think they were being anti-semitic?

Annie @

annie:

eye fail to see any anti - semetic aspect to these lyrics.

i do see/hear a somewhat pro - cunning/linguist aspect.

care to elaborate?!?

The Knack were the only all-jewish rock band to hit my consciousness, despite, y'know, their people running Hollywood.

from http://www.jewsrock.org/index.cfm?fusea ... iew&page=K

All four members of the Knack were Jewish; naturally, so was Sharona

Well, at least the parts Teh Gays, the US Military, the Disneys, the sCIAentologists and the boring old Italian/Armenian/Persian Mafias don't run.
I guess I meant anti-sementic. Lyrically the song wasn't the best gift choice for an eight year old girl but it was really for her 13 year old sister. Guess my folks didn't want me to hear it either. Good thing they never listened that closely to my Velvet Underground records....

Now, let's get back to superheroes...or zombies.

I Always Admired Clea's hair, but I don't like eating brains.

A.A.

[compared2what?]

What moral compass meme? I said I loved "the meme of the living dead," and went on to make it clear I meant the Romero-style zombie meme. Which I do love, and about which I expressed no fear and imbued with no moral connotations. It is, obvs, imbued with socio-political connotations, as are the movies that are the Rosetta Stone that enable its existence as a meme in the first place. I didn't say word one about morality.

Furthermore, a tendency to "spread, meme-like" is not an inherent property of memes, any more than morality is. Like the elegy says, full many a meme is born to blush and waste its fragrance on the desert air.

That said, I am formally now giving up on trying to see meaning in the thicket of your random vocabulary choices. I do take your explanation of why you used the word "trope" to be an indirect way of saying "because I've seen it used by smart people," though, and am satisfied by it. Thanks!

It's entirely up to you, needless to say, but I think you might enjoy the results that come with using words of which you know the meaning. It's an astonishingly powerful aid to effective communication.

[theeKultleeder]

What moral compass meme? I said I loved "the meme of the living dead," and went on to make it clear I meant the Romero-style zombie meme. Which I do love, and about which I expressed no fear and imbued with no moral connotations. It is, obvs, imbued with socio-political connotations, as are the movies that are the Rosetta Stone that enable its existence as a meme in the first place. I didn't say word one about morality.

Furthermore, a tendency to "spread, meme-like" is not an inherent property of memes, any more than morality is. Like the elegy says, full many a meme is born to blush and waste its fragrance on the desert air.

That said, I am formally now giving up on trying to see meaning in the thicket of your random vocabulary choices. I do take your explanation of why you used the word "trope" to be an indirect way of saying "because I've seen it used by smart people," though, and am satisfied by it. Thanks!

It's entirely up to you, needless to say, but I think you might enjoy the results that come with using words of which you know the meaning. It's an astonishingly powerful aid to effective communication.

Whoops. sorry. I thought I was replying to brekin which is the only reason I jumped into this thread a while ago (weeks ago).

And c'mon, you really can't be as obtuse as you are pretending to be. I took exception to the idea that comic books could "scratch another notch" off anyone's "moral compass." And as far as trope, I thought it was cute to use it in quotes. However, my point remains the same: the idea of the zombie is by now a conventional, mainstream vehicle for story-telling.

And by the way, your prose is trite and your tropes are tripe.

[IanEye]

The Knack were the only all-jewish rock band to hit my consciousness, despite, y'know, their people running Hollywood.

ah ok, interesting, i didn't know that about the Knack.
I just knew they had named themselves after a film, "The Knack (and how to get it)".

I had a large poster of the My Sharona single cover on my wall growing up.

She would loom above me as i sat on my bed reading..... comic books

yeah, comic books - that's the ticket!



my my my my my whooo!!

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wow someone brought me that Knack record for my 10th birthday.

Funnily enough the lead singer from the band was on tv last sunday night, on the countdown spectacular. It didn't sound as bad as I thought it would.

Wasn't as good as the Angels tho. They still got it. And hearing a middle aged middle class audience singing out:

"No way get fucked. Fuck off."

Every time Doc sang "Am I ever gonna see your face again", well it was pretty good to see.

Oh thats right, comics....

[brekin]

How Michel Gondry became cinema's most versatile director
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/dec ... -interview

His eyes light up when he mentions Rogen, but the reaction of the fanboys and bloggers to the prospect of The Green Hornet – which the director describes as a "super-antihero movie" – could hardly have been more hostile. During the film's presentation at San Diego's Comic-Con this summer, the Q&A session was almost drowned out by the stampede of walkouts. Gondry sneers quite magnificently at the memory. "I usually identify with the nerds," he points out, "but these ones just reinforce the social rules. Their values are fascistic. All those people marching around in capes and masks and boots. The superhero imagery is totally fascist!" He's on a roll now. "When you step into this genre, they feel it belongs to them. They want you to conform, or they won't like you. They want the conventional. But it's fine. The movie's been doing very well, I think, whenever we've screened it to normal people."

[Hammer of Los]

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Holy Mother of God.

What necromancer roused this thread from its unquiet slumbers?

If I had time to reread it all I would.

I agree with brekin;

I think the Marvel Zombies is beyond the pale. Scratching off another point on the ethical compass. Just another way of saying today anything goes in this new social darwin dog eat dog world.

If a cultures most revered symbols of morality and justice, their "super heroes", are lowered to the level of cannibalistic undead marauders, then what can we say for the rest of us?

As Chaucer asked, "That if gold rust, what then will iron do?"

Yet Gold rusts not.

There it lies at the end of the Rainbow.

Waiting for those who solve the riddle of the leprechaun.

Sun and showers predicted.

Perfect for rainbows!

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[ida pingala]

There it lies at the end of the Rainbow.

Waiting for those who solve the riddle of the leprechaun.

Red and blue lie at the end of the rainbow. But not for everyone.

[Wombaticus Rex]

The Green Hornet was fantastic. Also great: Casa Di Mi Padre, which I think was about Mexican zombies but I honestly can't be sure.