Sarfatti's Illuminati: In the Thick of It!

[theeKultleeder]

^^^^Why, I do believe you are trying to engineer culture by spreading all these mind-controlling new age memes.

Daring, funny, and filled with strange facts about the medico-military-occult complex, Crash Gordon and the Mysteries of Kingsburg is a paranoid comedy that’s seriously concerned with the fate of humanity.

[geogeo]

Well, now, this is interesting, because the Sarfatti phone call is also covered in Stargate Conspiracy, which for me is an excellent account of the interplay between the covert world and New Age religion. Sarfatti receives a phone call AFTER he has been identified as a "gifted"-type child--I was in a gifted program years ago, and it has always seemed an ideal way to tag certain members of the population--something creepy about it (don't think anything ever happened to me!). But anyway, the connection to Pujarich and the Nine is there.

But Picknett and Prince's point is that the whole thing appeared to have been stage-managed by Puharich, and thus how much credence can we give to a phone call from the future? There are multiple cases of the Nine playing all-too-human tricks on their audience; seems like something MI-6 cooked up. I think that when we have the 'intelligence' agencies involved in this, we are being credulous to the extreme to even allow ourselves to seriously consider the possibility that extra-human intelligences are involved.

However, it is generally true that mystics, scientists, occultists, and so forth often receive messages from disembodied intelligences, in dreams, visions, epileptic seizures, and so forth. Indeed, this seems to be the one thread linking extraordinary geniuses together fwiw.

[theeKultleeder]

Yeah. I am astonished to find my own work is "new age" when all I did was study magick, Buddhism, and drugs.

So, I don't know how much credence to give the "covert ops created the 'new age religion'" idea.

Did they infiltrate the sub-culture of it? Like every other sub-culture?

You betcha...

[American Dream]

Have y'all seen this?

http://www.combat-diaries.co.uk/diary25 ... safari.htm



Radio Sarfatti



The Gifted Children

From: Jack Sarfatti

Date: 04/07/05 18:47:10

To: Hank Harrison

Subject: Re: MK Ultra , UFOs, in the guise of Creative Enrichment & Schwartz

bcc Thanks Hank

On Apr 7, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Hank Harrison wrote:

> Jack: Just finished Fastwalker Pdf and liked your analysis. Sometimes

> universes really are parallel.

> In June of 1953, I was enrolled on campus at Berkeley in a gifted

> children program conducted under an alias as a study of creativity. I

> was not aware of a similar Cornell program until today. There must

> also have been others. I was 13 when I attended Berkley. I started

> regular high school the following September. I am now 64 years old.

> The Berkley program was run by a psychologist named Frank Barron,



I met Frank Barron with Tim Leary and I think Saul-Paul Sirag at UCSC

in ~ 1976. Frank was a major player in CIA MK Ultra. Tim and he openly

talked about it as I recall. Certainly Tim told me for sure. I also met

Robin Williams with Tim back in the 1980s. BTW the late George Koopman

(DIA Spook) was with John Belushi night he OD'd. George told me. He may

have also told Saul-Paul? Koopman funded my PCRG and was Tim Leary's

control when he was let out of prison and came directly to our PCRG

Esalen in Big Sur from which Gary Zukav, my North Beach room-mate,

wrote "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" that sold millions of copies. I wrote

all the technical stuff for Gary.



> the kids were all about 12-15 and some spoke no English. It is the

> first time I met people my own age who spoke no English. But I was

> tested continually from 4th grade on. My dad was getting his PhD in

> Physical Education at Berkley and Cal Poly at the time, so I was

> somehow picked out or was volunteered, as my dad often brought me with

> him the year before. I was, they thought, athletically gifted because

> I broke a swimming record at age 12, but I thought it was no big deal.

>

> More importantly the staff (one to one ratio) treated all of the kids

> like rock stars. We ate with the athletes on Pappy Waldorf's famed

> football championship teams and had access to vitamin pills. No big

> deal. My dad befriended a star fullback named Johnny Oshevsky (sp) he

> went pro and they called him Johnny O. The national American shot put

> man had no place to live so he commuted with us and moved in, used to

> toss the 16 pounder in our backyard in Castro Valley. Pardoxical eh?

>

> I remember getting IQ tests almost every day. But my Iq was never

> higher than 127, never tested as a genius or anything higher than

> Bright Normal or low superior. (Benet rating). Years later I came to

> find out they were interested in my Photographic memory,

> (semi-eidetic) which I didn't even know I had at the time. Everyday we

> were trotted around to some esoteric site on Cal campus. Especially

> the art galleries where we were taken to architectual lectures and

> slide shows. I remember watching a French artist, Ferdinand Leger,

> discuss his art and I understood every word of it. Leger was at

> Berkley Fine Arts at the time.

>

> Other tours took us to the Cyclotron. When it was running, it shook

> the ground all over campus. We also took tours to the Campanile, saw

> the the Bones and skulls stored inside the Campanile, and got to press

> the levers that played the bells. This was before the suicide

> restraints were erected, so you could actually look over and see the

> view. We also visited chemo labs and could go anywhere we wanted until

> our folks took us home from Sather Gate. This was, I guess, what is

> now called an enrichment program, but I got the distinct impression I

> was being studied.

>

> My troubles started coming in from the anxiety of the cognitive

> dissonance that cropped up when I was plunged back into regular

> school. My family hated blacks and Jews, I did not. Here is were our

> paths cross again, because ironically Steve Schwartz, you mentioned,

> had a lawyer named Carlos Bea, this was the son of my Freshman high

> school English teacher State Assembly head Carlos Bea. Bea and my dad

> were practicing Freemasons and avowed anti-Semite fascists. In fact,

> that whole country club crowd and the Shriners from the AAmes temple

> in Oakland, comprised a nest of practicing Nazis and are still in

> control though their brainwashed children. I guess I was a big

> disappointment. I even dropped out of DeMolay.



I know Carlos Bea. I met a top Iran-Contra at his Bolinas house with

Stephen Schwartz and Kim Burrafato in the mid-80's. Carlos was not

there. Steve had access to his house. He always liked me and I never

saw any anti-Semetism from him. He is still friendly in the Hood. I was

with Lawry Chickering in Trieste 2 days ago. I did not realize that Don

Rumsfeld ran ICS for as long as 3-4 years. So Steven did get to know

him pretty well. Carlos Bea is Cuban and won a lawsuit against Castro.

He is now a San Francisco Superior Court Judge. So, again, all I can

say is that I never detected a tinge of any anti-Jewish attitude in

Carlos. He certainly knew that Stephen was half-Jewish. I am still on

friendly terms with him and his wife. I was even invited to their

Pacific Heights Mansion at a party back then when I was loosely

associated with ICS. Carlos was member of Pumpkin Papers with Richard

Nixon and he has Intel connections for sure. I think he knew the late

Harold Chipman when he was in CIA? Chip was part of MKUltra - he told

details to me and Kim and I think Bobby Jones.

>

> There were about 16 kids in this group and basically we were guinea

> pigs. I do not recall any brainwashing, per se, although esp was part

> of the study. We read from books way over our heads to test reading

> comprehension then we wrote short stories from scratch. I had no idea

> I could do that at first. They then tried to set up a test between

> senders and receivers to see if messages from the short stories and

> drawings would come though to a room down the hall. This was somewhat

> like distant viewing that was done with the Grateful Dead under

> Stanley Krippner from Maimonedes Hospital in Brooklyn, Circa 1973.



Yes, so you and I about same age now were part of same project no

doubt. I know Krippner of course.

>

> After many decades I went through a kind of zen and combined

> psychoanalysis in Marin with Lloyd Saxton, head of the College of San

> Mateo, and I finally figured out what was going on. But it was clear

> the 1953 Berkley program was tampering with values and value training

> as we took the Alport- Vernon- Lindsey study of values at least once a

> week for the whole summer. I think they were trying to find out how

> values are formed in potential leadership kids and which ones would be

> the easiest to train. I think I was rejected because I had my own

> ideas.

>

> I basically flunked high school after that earlier experience. But I

> was aware, over the years, of people tracking my records. My dad would

> fill out these little reports, like follow-up questionnaires. I wasn't

> even supposed to know they existed, but I often went though my dads

> desk looking for spare change and I found them. Perhaps I was a

> control? In any case its odd to see so many similar people in the

> Trieste Tank. By the way the photographic memory turns out to be a

> kind of tool for remote empathy, not remote viewing per se, but remote

> feeling. It comes down on the distaff or female side of the family.

> But it also skips. My daughter has it. My dad was a jock, and had no

> clue what Barron et al, was up to. Good luck in Santa Fe this year.

> hank

Hank's daughter is Courtney Love.

[theeKultleeder]

This is endlessly fascinating. Fo' real!

[American Dream]

Here is yet more:

Jack Safatti wrote:

Bashlow, a child prodigy musical genius from Julliard,recruited me in Flatbush into Walter Breen's Sandia-ColumbiaSuper-Kids Cabal in Manhattan, which resulted in me meeting people like Asimov, Ayn Rand;s people et, & going to Cornell at age 17 to study physics under the leaders of the Manhattan Projecton full scholarship in 1956. Breen later married Marion Zimmer Bradley moved to Berkeley where he did the research for "The Mysts of Avalon".

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> Jack Sarfatti wrote:
>
> >Newsome knows about the Breen-NY MENSA connection.
> >
> >Henry Ward wrote:
> >
> >> It took until 1960 for the American Mensa chapter to arrive, when it was
> >> founded at the Brooklyn home of Peter and Ines Sturgeon. There were seven
> >> members at the time. However, Walter Breen was never considered to be: "one
> >> of the Mensa founders"
>
> Here's the little I know about Walter Breen's alleged role in the early
> history of American Mensa.
>
> (from "The Beginnings of American Mensa" by Sander Rubin):
>
> "Mensa's American presence began in the late fifties with a column
> by John Wilcock in The Village Voice and a minor article in The New
> York Times describing an odd British society of high-IQ people. A few
> Americans wrote to London, were tested by mail, and became foreign
> members of the club. The first American meeting was called by Peter
> Sturgeon, a medical writer then living in Brooklyn, N.Y."
>
> The story I have heard is that Walter Breen was one of the "few Americans"
> who wrote to London and was the first to be accepted as a member. When the
> first meeting was called at Peter Sturgeon's house Walter Breen was in
> California and was unable to attend. While he was in California Walter Breen
> made contact with an embryonic high-IQ group there which included people
> like the young Kevin Langdon, which shortly thereafter became the founding
> nucleus of San Francisco Mensa. When Breen returned to New York he became
> active in the group there and introduced a number of his friends to the
> group -- his young friend Leslie Gerber became the first editor of the
> chapter newsletter. Incidentally, Peter Sturgeon was the brother of science
> fiction writer Ted Sturgeon. Walter Breen was one of a number of early
> Mensa members who quit around 1964 after an internal squabble split Mensa
> into warring factions.
>
> Unless my memory is misleading me I believe Kevin Langdon was a member of
> the Channing Club, so he may have known Saul-Paul Sirag at the time.
>
> The little high-IQ club that Langdon belonged to at Stanford and Berkeley
> was inspired by Wilmar Shiras' novel CHILDREN OF THE ATOM about high-IQ
> kids. (Wilmar Shiras was a grad student at Berkeley at the time and when
> she heard about the club she wrote to them objecting to it). Walter Breen
> turned up at a couple of club meetings. In CHILDREN OF THE ATOM, the
> protagonist organizes a boarding school for high-IQ kids. Walter Breen around
> this time (1960) took out an ad in a private school directory announcing that
> a boarding school like the one in the novel was being organized and soliciting
> applications, to be send to Walter Breen, Acting Registrar. A non-profit
> foundation was set up to support the school. Nothing came of this -- the
> school never opened, and no one I've spoken to even remembers this aborted
> project of Breen's. The club at Berkeley/Stanford disbanded and several
> survivors became a nucleus for the first Mensa chapter in the Bay Area.
> Years later Marion Zimmer Bradley wrote the introduction to the reissue of
> CHILDREN OF THE ATOM, and mentioned in it that it was one of Walter's
> favorite books.
>
> I've never been able to verify the claim that Walter Breen was the first
> American to be accepted as a member after John Wilcock's article appeared,
> and I don't know if that is true. Henry, any idea who might be able to
> check this?
>
> Richard Newsome
> newsome@...

--

From: "Dr. Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@...>
Date: Sat Jul 7, 2001 3:14 pm
Subject: Re: Mensa founders sarfatti@...
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Thanks. I do remember Walter's effort at making a school in 1960.
Was it you who mentioned Walter's connection to the founder of Texas Instruments
through William Sheldon at Columbia in the early 50's?

Do you have any documentation linking Walter directly to Arthur Young, Andrija
Puharich, Chas Lindburgh in the early 50's? I do remember Walter talking about
Lindburgh.

Of course, a main topic for the super-kids under Walter's tutelage was "flying
saucers" and developing paranormal powers of remote viewing and psychokinesis in
us kids. This was part of the Sandia interest for certain. Remember this was
1954-56 maybe even late 1953 after the

http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html

event(s). I had not yet met Walter - that was soon after via Robert Bashlow who
recruited me and Quiz Kid prodigy Johnny Glogower.

So this UFO Flying Saucer Sandia RV ESP thing goes back almost 50 years with me
directly involved. Did CIA MK ULTRA scientist Sidney Gottlieb (?) have a niece
my
age named Eleanor who went to Midwood High School? Also any reference to Dr.
Henry
Hansburg a Clinical Psychologist, close to Lloyd Motz at Columbia in your
records.
Dr. Hansburg was father of friend of mine Mathew and I spent at lot of time at
their place during the Breen period - lots of psychologists passing through
socially.

***




:
: ---- Original Message -----
From: Jack Sarfatti
To: Robert Sheaffer ; Jeffrey Mishlove ; Scott Littleton
Cc: alan parker ; Tony Smith ; Dick Farley ; Robert Wolf ; Ken Frazier ; S-P Sirag
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: Walter Breen


On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 04:28 PM, Robert Sheaffer wrote:

>
> On another subject, you have written about your Mentor
> Walter Breen,
>
> My entire time in high school was spent as
> part of Walter Breen's group .......
> Remember Walter was a founder of MENSA
> and he knew PK Dick years later
> in Berkeley and was married to Marion Zimmer
> Bradley (Mists of Avalon).
>
> Since I've been a longtime member of Mensa myself, I
> was curious to know what was Breen's role in it.

There was a Breen Scholar who had all these details
who got in touch with me several years ago. I forget his
name and have not been in touch with him for maybe
3 years. Maybe Saul-Paul Sirag remembers? Also I
put Walter's daughter on the above list and maybe she
knows?

It was the Breen Scholar I think from Brooklyn who
told me about Eugene McDermott - a powerful man's
connection to Walter via Sheldon at Columbia.
Mc Dermott also apparently knew Chas Lindburgh,
Arthur Young, maybe L Ron Hubbard & Andrija Puharich
in early 50's?

> (Don't worry, Mensa is famous for having members with
> weird beliefs.) I'd heard nothing about him in Mensa,
> and was unable to find out anything about him on Mensa
> websites. I asked a woman I know who has held several
> high Mensa offices for years, and she had never heard
> of him. She consulted a history of U.S. Mensa, and
> found no mention of him. Breen was American, wasn't
> he? Do you mean that he was a founder of the U.S.
> Mensa, or the original Mensa in the U.K.? In either
> case, what was his role, what offices did he hold?

In USA in NYC. I don't know if he held offices.
Not like Walter to do that. He would have been
behind the scenes is my guess.
>
> Robert Sheaffer

The Breen Scholar seemed on the up and up.
He was in the sci fi zine movement in NYC
I think. Perhaps his name will come back
to my memory?
>

***

From: "Dr. Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@...>
Date: Mon Jul 16, 2001 4:13 pm
Subject: Re: Mists of Avalon as Universe Next Door sarfatti@...
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Note on allegations on Jim Hurtak at end:
David Gladstone wrote:

Yes, i noticed the connections to hyperspace barriers as well, but wonder of that has to more to do with the spread of the idea unconsciously, as we often see with tv and movies.

NO! I am telling you that that is all from Breen. I was there! I did not realize how close the parallels until last night not having read the book. I remember meeting Breen in SF China Town restaurant in 80's and him telling me how he spent a lot of time in Celtic places in England doing research for Marion as she wrote Mists of Avalon. He is really a co-author. Breen was talking about extra dimensions, telepathy, remote viewing, UFOs, mutant humans, contact with aliens, connections to Greek Gods, basically whole Alien Raj scenario back in 1954! Yes, not in modern day terms. Did not use "hyperspace" and other modern terms but basically Sandia was trying to develop us super-kids to have paranormal powers and to deal with extra-dimensional intelligence. There is complete consistency and continuity in the thread of my ideas from 1953 (even before) to 2001. Scott's idea of "Alien Raj" essentially Old Hat for me. I heard it all before from Breen, though not in identical words. I would love to see the 10 page file from 1956 he had on me for Cornell, MIT and University of Chicago, and most likely Sandia.

Merlin characters on my world line include

Walter Breen (1950's), Dr. Leonard Israel (1960's), Brendan O Regan (1970's), Carlo Suares (1970's), Marshall Naify (1970's till his death in 2000).

It seems like the acceptance of these ideas is spreading. Alien Raj is questionable to me- bad analogy, I think we have a field of conflict rather than a Raj.

Prove it. Indeed I was once in Avalon with Marshall Naify! For a brief moment there was Camelot. He was able to cross the hyperspace gap. Joe Firmage's experience is clearly from Avalon, or the equivalent i.e. the "universe next door". It's all now getting very very respectable physics of M-theory and "branes" that Saul-Paul will eventually explain in a review article. I am talking top physicists from Princeton, UCSB et-al working on parallel universes connected by Star Gates floating in hyperspace with Michio Kaku speaking of the "Masters of Hyperspace".

http://stardrive.org/cartoon/MagicBean.html

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.hurley/index.html


"Dr. Jack Sarfatti" wrote:

David Gladstone wrote:

This show shows that it is the women who are power hungry and ruthless!
Scary, feminist fiction!
Rough notes moments after watching Part I.
What I find interesting is Walter Breen's obvious influence - continuity with my own "training" 1954-56. Parallels are striking.

1. Avalon is Robert Anton Wilson's "The Universe Next Door" across a thin barrier of hyperspace in Super-Cosmos.

2. The Mist of Avalon is symbol for hyperspace barrier.

3. The Lady of the Lake and Morgana "parting the Mist" is post-quantum mental power, like Q in Star Trek, generating a Star Gate passage between Glastonbury and Avalon as parallel universes.

4. Note role of precognition - future influence on past - from post-quantum signal nonlocality.

5. Note use of "remote viewing" and telepathic communication in military operations as in First Earth Batallion concept, as in James Schnabel's "Remote Viewers", Breen was attempting all that with us kids in the Sandia Project in early 50's - and he, years later, did the research for Mists of Avalon in Celtic parts of England. Also note time travel to past in the cave scene of "The Great Marriage" - prehistoric paintings and warriors in the Forest. Compare to Jean Cocteau films.

Connection to Scott's "Alien Raj" - Avalon as an advanced Type IV (Kaku) station of the Masters of Hyperspace. Also note connection to Iolanthe - G&S.

Battle of Male God of Christians with Female Goddess of Druidic Celts as factional struggle within Scott's "Alien Raj" - similar to struggle of Jewish Cabalists with Orthodox Jews. Cabalists as like the Druids of the Goddess. The First Sarfatti, Rashi de Troyes (1040 - 1105 - Origin of Priory?), claimed by BOTH sides - curious.

I mean it's damn curious that Breen was my tutor at a critical time.


"Dr. Jack Sarfatti" wrote:

David Gladstone wrote:
Yikes!!! This is even worse than the others.
This Nazi stuff in New Age clothing is dangerous. It could happen all over again. What's this stuff about Jim Hurtak that Dick Farley sent a message about? I am going to watch
The Mists of Avalon 8pm tonite TNT

written by Marion Zimmer Bradley with research for the book by my childhood Columbia-Sandia tutor, Walter Breen.

From Farley on Jim Hurtak - very bad if true especially because of Hurtak's past association with us at ISSO because of Bruce Curtis who got Hurtak to speak at an ISSO sponsored meeting despite strong strong objections from Bernie Haisch and essntially ALL the science people at ISSO who were over-ruled..

"The modern descendant of this ideology is the anti-Semitic and often pro-Nazi 'Identity Christianity'. A central theme of this ideology is that only white people are descended from Adam, the Jews are descended from the 'demon seed', the offspring of Eve and the serpent (the blacks and others being subhuman mud people). Surely it is to this twin seed belief that James
Hurtak refers when he says "And I was told by my guides... that I was not to eat of the false powers of the earth, nor encourage my seed to marry with the fallen spiritual races of the earth" If so this New Age ideologue shares an ideology with Neo Nazi street killers, such as the members of 'The Order'.

This should not surprise us, for the whole new age movement, top and bottom is heavily contaminated by fascist and irrationalist radical rightism. The popular seed bed of the American new age has been the I AM cult of Guy Ballard, who had close connections of the wannbe American fuhrer William Dudley Pelley, one of the most influential of the middle brow new agers was the French writer Louis Pauwels who was also a very influential member of the 'post Christian' radical rightist GRECE organisation, while the among the really intellectual gurus of the new age movement, Carl Jung said some very iffy things about Jewish and Aryan Psychology, Mircea Eliade had been a member of the ultra fascist Rumanian Iron Guard and Joseph Campbell was an unrepentant admirer of Adolf Hitler (he once abused the German writer Thomas Mann for not supporting Hitler), who to the end of his days served on the editorial panel of the 'race science' journal Mankind Quarterly and
allegedly abused Jewish students at his college."

This shows it is very dangerous to ignore history - we were taught that at Cornell in the 50's.

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[theeKultleeder]

Eh. Joe Campbell and Hitler?

The Washington Post, November 24, 1991, Sunday, Final Edition

Godfather of the New Age

A FIRE IN THE MIND The Life of Joseph Campbell
By Stephen and Robin Larsen Doubleday. 618 pp. $ 30

By Martin Gardner

ALTHOUGH NEW AGERS embraced Joseph John Campbell decades ago, it was not
until after his death in 1987 that Bill Moyers's six television interviews
turned him into a public superstar. His books on comparative mythology
weigh down the New Age shelves at Walden and B. Dalton. Critical studies of
his work are burgeoning, and now two ardent acolytes have produced a
massive hagiography. The authors, Stephen and Robin Larsen, operate a
growth potential institute on their farm near New Paltz, N.Y. Stephen, who
teaches psychology at nearby Ulster County Community College, has written
two previous books about myths, and Robin has edited a biography and
anthology of the Swedish spiritualist and trance channeler Emmanuel
Swedenborg. Stephen is also a student of Zen, Yoga and karate, and has a
private practice as a psychotherapist. Drawing heavily on Campbell's
voluminous diaries and journals, and interviews with his wife and friends,
the Larsens have written a comprehensive life of their mentor that will
tell you almost everything you want to know.

Six feet tall, handsome, blue-eyed, Campbell played guard on the Dartmouth
football team and captained the track team at Columbia, where he obtained
his master's degree. A jazz buff, he played the piano and ukelele, and blew
saxophone in dance bands. After several passionate romances, failed efforts
to sell fiction (his early stories and one novel have not survived), and
much wandering about the globe, Campbell settled down at Sarah Lawrence
College, in Bronxville, N.Y., where he taught literature for 38 years. Most
of his students idolized him. When he married one -- Jean Erdman, who
became a professional dancer -- the girls lowered the campus flag to half
mast.

(clip)

Campbell's often repeated advice, "follow your bliss," is equivalent to the
New Age "do your own thing, or "create your own reality." (How about a
person, critics asked, whose bliss is to rape little children?) Yet in
spite of his close associations with theosophists and New Agers, Campbell's
basic metaphysical convictions remain hidden. When Bill Moyers asked if he
believed in reincarnation, Campbell side-stepped by saying he believed in
the metaphor of reincarnation. It is this mushiness that turns so many
people off. We don't need myths to remind us that life is a quest or that
we battle dragons. There is nothing "spiritual" about mythology unless it
points toward transcendence. As far as we can learn from A Fire in the
Mind, Campbell's mythic fires point to nothing beyond experience. It is
surprising that he seems not to have admired George Santayana, the
ex-Catholic myth-admiring atheist of whom it was said that he didn't
believe in God, but did believe that Mary was God's mother.

Campbell's darkest side was his antisemitism, forcefully detailed by
Brendan Gill in the New York Review of Books (Sept. 28, 1989). The Larsens
dismiss it with a brief reference to "so-called bigotry." Campbell once
said he moved to Bronxville to escape from Jews, and that the moon would be
a good place to send them. He objected to blacks entering Sarah Lawrence.
He threatened to flunk, and once did, any student who engaged in leftist
political action.

Similarly, Campbell's hatred of President Roosevelt prompted him to say
there were three living Caesars: Hitler, Mussolini and FDR. A great admirer
of Thomas Mann, Campbell foolishly sent him a copy of a speech in which he
urged artists and writers not to take sides in the unfortunate conflict
between Hitler and Churchill. It drew a barbed response from Mann.
Campbell's political opinions, wrote Gill, were to the right of William
Buckley. "His glibness and his charisma," one of his students said in a
letter to the New York Review of Books, "were a mask that concealed a
narrow mind."

The Larsens have done a commendable job of assembling a thousand facts
about the life of their hero with many faces. A balanced portrait of
Campbell, covering his prejudices and inner beliefs is still to come.


http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/ ... g00056.htm

Yes, Joe said "Yes" to life, the good and the evil, the paradox, the suffering. One person told me that she believed the series was successful because Joe expressed the difficulty of everyone's life so well and yet he was so affirming. "Is this a private fight," Joe would paraphrase an old Irish saying, "or can anyone get in?" And: "It's a wonderful opera, only it hurts." That's an accurate reflection of the experience of being alive and accepting it as it is. It says we all share the suffering, and the sharing without pretense is comforting.

Yes, Joe loved the German culture. And the Japanese culture, and the war years were painful and puzzling for him.

And yes, Joe viewed the Jewish God, Yahweh, and the Old Testament, as a mythology (like all religions) that was the expression of a war-like, punitive culture, as he says in the series, and many would agree. None of that means that Joe was anti-Semitic, which, in fact, as an alumna of Sarah Lawrence and, possibly, because I am Jewish, I have been told many times. I will not dispute it. I can only say that none of it emerged during the twenty-four hours of interview.

...

But, interestingly, Gill doesn't stop there. He follows this Freud/Jung "example" with the fact that Campbell opposed generally the involvement of artists in urging American entry into the developing war in Europe and that he sought Thomas Mann's approval of his ideas, an approval which was not forthcoming. What are we to make of the placement of this anecdote? Is Gill insinuating that these actions were also rooted in Joe's unproven "bigotry"? Are we to gather that that "bigotry" led him to a tolerance of "the menace of Hitler and the Nazis" and to the evils resulting in the holocaust? These are terribly serious charges; they cry out for evidence, and Gill provides none. Knowing Joe as we did, we know why that evidence is not presented. It does not exist.

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The Markmans state "unequivocally" that my charging Campbell with anti-Semitism is false. They complain that I provide no evidence of his tolerating "'the menace of Hitler and the Nazis' and ...the evils resulting in the holocaust," and that the reason I do not do so is because the evidence does not exist. But the evidence does indeed exist; there are scores of witnesses (for example, Ms. Orr, in the letter printed above) to the anti-Semitic dicta that Campbell was given to uttering. When the astronauts landed on the moon, Joe made the repellent jest to a member of my family, who was a student of his at the time, that the moon would be a good place to put the Jews. The latest addition to this evidence is at hand. A correspondent, Carol Luther of San Anselmo, California, writes to say that she once attended a lecture in which Campbell recounted what he called a popular Indian fable (a favorite of Campbell's in old age), the gist of which was that we are not all mere mild grass-eating goats but, instead, are blood-thirsty, carnivorous tigers, who do well to prey upon whatever lower species of animal makes up our natural diet. When she heard Campbell tell this story, my correspondent was so upset my its ethical implications that, she writes, "I rose shaking from my chair and shouted, 'What about the six million who were gassed during World War II?' In response, Mr. Campbell simply shrugged and said 'That's your problem.'"


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/3846

Sigh.... no one is pure.

[Hammer of Los]

I've read all that information (and more) about Sarfatti before, and to be honest I haven't the faintest clue what to make of him; a little bit barmy? Genius "fringe" thinker? Disinfo? MK Ultra victim? All of the above?

The screaming denouncements of "islamofascism" are pretty interesting though, so thanks for that geogeo.

My own philosophical and religious journey has certainly encompassed the writings of many people whose careers intersected at one time or another with the Esalen institute, Alan Watts and Fritjof Capra amongst others. I count them as highly formative.

The Aquarian Conspiracy stuff though, is fascinating, there is something there, or perhaps many things. Maybe I should go check if DE has written any more on this subject;

"When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars.."

[slimmouse]

"When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars.."

There is absolutely nothing the global elite would hate more than for peace to break out on earth.

Once you understand that , the whole picture becomes as clear as day.

[vigilant]

"When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars.."

There is absolutely nothing the global elite would hate more than for peace to break out on earth.

Once you understand that , the whole picture becomes as clear as day.

For thousands of years all ethnicities of mankind have been the pawn of chess masters. "We", all of us, of all nations and ethnicities are no more than chess pieces in the big game. The paradigm builders have have kept the wool over our eyes and our noses to the grindstone so that we don't have time nor resources to catch a breath and take a good look around.

The worst thing that could possibly happen in the chess masters eyes, is that the Jews and the Gentiles, et al... will befriend one another on a large scale. They are terrified that we will learn that we are just alike. They are terrified that we will notice.

They are terrified that I will notice, that the average Muslim does not wake up in the morning, and wish he had himself an American to kill right quick before before breakfast. They are terrified that the Muslim might learn that the average American doesn't wish he could run over at least a couple of Muslims right quick on the way to work.

The greatest fear of the chess master is that the pawns might refuse to play the game. The chess master is terrified that the different colored pieces might get mixed one with another, and destroy the strategy in the game. Typically when the pieces get mixed together and become familiar with one another, it means the board has flipped upside down, the game is over, its "checkmate"........for the master.

[slimmouse]

"When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars.."

There is absolutely nothing the global elite would hate more than for peace to break out on earth.

Once you understand that , the whole picture becomes as clear as day.

For thousands of years all ethnicities of mankind have been the pawn of chess masters. "We", all of us, of all nations and ethnicities are no more than chess pieces in the big game. The paradigm builders have have kept the wool over our eyes and our noses to the grindstone so that we don't have time nor resources to catch a breath and take a good look around.

The worst thing that could possibly happen in the chess masters eyes, is that the Jews and the Gentiles, et al... will befriend one another on a large scale. They are terrified that we will learn that we are just alike. They are terrified that we will notice.

They are terrified that I will notice, that the average Muslim does not wake up in the morning, and wish he had himself an American to kill right quick before before breakfast. They are terrified that the Muslim might learn that the average American doesn't wish he could run over at least a couple of Muslims right quick on the way to work.

The greatest fear of the chess master is that the pawns might refuse to play the game. The chess master is terrified that the different colored pieces might get mixed one with another, and destroy the strategy in the game. Typically when the pieces get mixed together and become familiar with one another, it means the board has flipped upside down, the game is over, its "checkmate"........for the master.

I was going to edit my post to include my personal belief, that they would hate this on both an exoteric and esoteric level.

Those of true faith might actually hate it themselves !

That isnt to say, that we shouldn't make people aware of the big lie and the big game, and the big massacre of humans, and those responsible for the aforesaid.

On this physical plane, there is a better way to do things !

[MinM]

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