Gustafsen Lake September 11 1995

[annie aronburg]

This "Standoff" was insane.

Either the RCMP in the Shuswap are the worst shots ever, or there was Divine Intervention at work.

An FBI operative who was at WACO was flown in and they let fly with over 77,000 rounds.

(Can't we just start quoting in a certain color if Wikipedia is the source?
I choose VIOLET.)

After failed negotiations, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police launched one of the largest police operations in Canadian history, including the deployment of four hundred tactical assault team members, five helicopters, two surveillance planes and nine Armoured Personnel Carriers. Eight land mines were also used. By the end of the 31-day standoff, police had fired over 77,000 rounds of ammunition, one woman had been shot, and a dog had been killed.

Is there a sportsman or woman on the board who'd like to pitch in with an estimate on ammuntion costs alone?

What on earth were these 14 people doing that was so heinous it required a $5.5 million dollar seige?

The Sundance.
http://www.crystalinks.com/sundance.html
http://www.albertasource.ca/natureslaws ... dance.html

I don't know if this particular group were going for the full hooks in the chest experience or if it was more of a sweatlodge scene, but I do know there are white people hanging each other on hooks in public in many of the larger cities in N. America and Europe and you don't see the National Guard being called to stop them.

There's a decent summary of events here:
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1465836
and a succinct quote:

The word "terrorists" was used to describe the Defenders in the local media over 200 times during the 3 months of the standoff.

In the end the survivors of what I would call an attempted ritual slaughter were given six months to eight year sentences for charges like mischief to property, mischief causing danger to life, and possession of firearms and explosives as punishment for not dying.

One of those convicted was James Pitawanakwat, who was sentenced to three years in jail for endangering life. He fled to the United States when he was released for parole, and successfully fought extradition to Canada to complete his sentence, becoming the only Native ever granted political asylum in the United States. According to Janice Stewart, a magistrate justice of the U.S District Court in Oregon, "The Gustafsen Lake incident involved an organized group of native people rising up in their homeland against an occupation by the government of Canada of their sacred and unceded tribal land." She also asserted that "the Canadian government engaged in a smear and disinformation campaign to prevent the media from learning and publicizing the true extent and political nature of these events." Since the beginning of the standoff, the "Ts'Peten Defenders" and their supporters have called for an independent, impartial inquiry into the military siege at Gustafsen Lake and the alleged ensuing cover-up.

Hopefully Mr. Pitawanakwat found a wealthy and sympathetic source for his documentary.

Hoped-for Sundance film to tell the story
The only Canadian granted political asylum in the U.S. wants to tell the natives' side of the 1995 incident, ROBERT MATAS writes in the Globe and Mail.
http://friendsofgrassynarrows.com/item.php?420F

Harsh, Eh?

Annie

[lunarose]

Harsh, yes, but also typical. thank you for the thread.

[slow_dazzle]

I don't have information on bullet prices but 12G shotgun cartridges cost anywhere from £90 to over £200 per thousand in the UK. Cheap cartridges from the former eastern block countries can go as low as £50-£60 per thousand. There are about two $ to the £. That will give you a very rough guide.

77,000 rounds. Jeez.

[Stephen Morgan]

77,000 rounds. Jeez.

one woman had been shot, and a dog had been killed

[Susserer]

Most of the rounds were discharged during the two hour long assault on Sept 11.

Flo Ignace, Jonesy's 60 something year old wife spent the duration of the assault lying in her tent. Except for when she crawled over to the cook shack to make herself a cup of tea.

A couple regulations changed for the RCMP afterwards, 1. They are no longer required to keep detailed notes of their activities and 2. Hollowpoint bullets became standard for use.

[blanc]

what justification for hollowpoint?

[Susserer]

Less likely to pass through the target and injure a bystander. That's the excuse anyway.

The only person injured at G Lake was Suniva Bronson, daughter of wealthy horse breeder Ann Notnes, a white woman who single handedly financed the Native Sovereignty Movement in BC.

[Susserer]

Annie, don't mind me if I editorialize a bit here, I have oh sooo much to tell:

This "Standoff" was insane.

Actually it wasn't. The RCMP used it to train for seige operations. They videotaped to whole thing for that end. Reassuring, no?

And most importantly, Jonesy, a veteran activist of twenty years, and his supporters were successfully derailing the land claims process imposed upon the Natives by the provincial and federal governments. Remember, access to literally billions of dollars worth of resources was at stake. After G Lake, the general resistance ended. Just like that.

Either the RCMP in the Shuswap are the worst shots ever, or there was Divine Intervention at work.

It was both I think. The incoming RCMP officers at G Lake were briefed by being shown hysterical and factually creative clips from TV news coverage- which is insane- so they believed that the people in the camp were heavily armed AIM militants from the US. Hahahahaha aha! Oh! That kills me!

So during the assault on Sept 11, they panicked and engaged in cross firing at each other for two hours. As far as I could tell, the only person from the camp to engage their fire, was Jonesy, who ran out with his deer rifle to intercept the APC that was gunning for Suniva and OJ who were swimming across the lake to get back to the camp. There is Westcam footage of them swimming with bullets striking the water all around them. This was the point where Suniva was wounded in the arm.

BTW, there were members of JTF2 (Joint Task Force 2) there as well, who would have to be skilled enough to creep into the camp and take, it if that had been the intent. As far as I could tell the JTF2 guys were only involved in assessment, surveillance and possibly sniping with the 50 caliber from across the lake.

An FBI operative who was at WACO was flown in and they let fly with over 77,000 rounds.

That was Dr. Michael Webster, former FBI forensic psychologist. He was brought in fairly early as an adviser. You used to be able to view his CV online but I guess he has retired from the FBI and is re-inventing himself as a freelance consultant in Vancouver. He advised the ATF at Waco and was also there for the Tupac Amaru massacre in Peru.

After failed negotiations, .

That's anouther good one! The RCMP had no interest in a non-violent solution and listening to the recordings of their "negotiations" makes that pretty clear. They were very interested in the appearance of negotiating though. They made a big show of bringing in Orville Looking Horse, the supposed "Pope" of Sundancers, who nobody had ever heard of, and they sent in a group of local band council Natives everyday for face to face negotiations, which consisted of the band councilors pleading, saying they are going to kill you, you have to come out. Suniva and OJ were on their way to pick up these negotiators in the red truck when they were ambushed by a road-bed explosive device and ran for their lives from an APC that pursued them. OJ told me that he could here the bullets whistle past him as he ran. What he was thinking? "Now I know how my ancestors felt."

There's a decent summary of events here:
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1465836

The best and most accurate source of information is the Settlers in Support of Indigenous Sovereignty (SISIS) archive:
http://sisis.nativeweb.org/gustmain.html

The word "terrorists" was used to describe the Defenders in the local media over 200 times during the 3 months of the standoff.

Eventually instructions came from the federal gov's PR department to stop calling them terrorists because it was felt that was allowing a political dimension to creep into the framing of the event. After that Peter Montague called a press conference where he read the criminal records of Jonesy and others who were not even in the camp (Johnny Guitar, for one) into the cameras. Then we were supposed to believe that this group of disgruntled Natives were trying to steal Private Property from rancher Lyle James. Bah! It was Crown Land of course to which Lyle James owned the grazing rights, but for the purposes of the trial the Jury was instructed to consider it Privately owned. Yep, that's how it went.

In the end the survivors of what I would call an attempted ritual slaughter were given six months to eight year sentences for charges like mischief to property, mischief causing danger to life, and possession of firearms and explosives as punishment for not dying.

Just about everyone got off with time served, I think, except for Jones who was in the can for six years. After four, the authorities wanted to release him. Jail is a great place for a Native Activist because there are so many young Native men there with time on their hands! Jones was teaching them and doing sweat lodge ceremonies with them and it was becoming problematic. They offered to release Jones if he signed an agreement that he would never make anouther political speech in his life. Of course he refused.

She also asserted that "the Canadian government engaged in a smear and disinformation campaign to prevent the media from learning and publicizing the true extent and political nature of these events."

Hard for them to deny that charge. The commanding officers were captured on video tape brainstorming a smear and disinformation campaign and boasting about it. The clip might even be on youtube.
http://sisis.nativeweb.org/court/dec2096.html

This is what he Westcam surveillance footage shows the occupants of the camp doing every day- 1. Doing daily sweatlodge ceremonies 2. Sitting around smoking rationed cigarettes.

Jonesy said that every day in the sweat he asked should they stay put or surrender? Every day until Sept 17, the answer Jonesy received was stay put. On Sept 17, the group surrendered to the RCMP and that was the first time that Flo felt afraid since arriving in July.

Jonesy used the trial to confront the "false authority government court" on it's abuses and allow it, through Judge____ (pulling a blank) the opportunity to return to the Justice Way. Jones repeatedly made statements to the effect that it was THEY who were on trial and not he. Of course this infuriated the Judge but was great to see.

The final bit of the RCMP training video was brief interview with Dr. Mike Webster. When asked what the most important thing he learned form the seige was, Webster responded "the power of Native spirituality.

Here's the youtube bits from Nitewatch:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... rch=Search

[lunarose]

Again, Susserer what great info. this is the type of stuff i was hoping would come out.

how many hundred years has this been going on now?

[Susserer]

luna,

Globally, I think it's down for millennia.

I was wondering if there is a Masonic ritual for Native family groups like the King Kill 33 of James Shelby Downard? What would be the oddities we would look for?

One of the things about the G Lake site is that there is probably a mass grave in that area from the smallpox epidemic in 1865.

The Shuswap Nation was territorially the largest in BC, occupying the interior plateau from Prince George into Washington State. Every year people from all over the territory would gather in the area of G Lake for a council fire, which would have been occurring at the time the epidemic hit. An archaeologist from UBC offered to do a survey to identify if there was a mass grave there but was somehow not allowed to. I can't remember all the details.

But of course there are mass graves all over BC and it would be problematic to have them identified.

If anyone has any ideas about some kind of "Savage" Kill ritual, please shout out.

[lunarose]

howdy Suss!

'I was wondering if there is a Masonic ritual for Native family groups like the King Kill 33 of James Shelby Downard? What would be the oddities we would look for?'

could you please explain? i've never heard of this, but it sounds fascinating.

[Susserer]

King Kill 33:

The late James Shelby Downard's primal way of looking at things, which is the way I think ancient man perceived the world, encompasses a vision that detects every link and every symbol, beginning with the significance of names, then places and then the obsessive actions which stem from the confluence of the two and which have come to be known as ritual. Publisher Adam Parfrey, who first brought Shelby's work to a mass audience, states:

"In Downard's writings, the products of his subconscious bubble to the surface and catalyze painstaking research. The collision of the poetic against the logical works especially well in the field of conspiracy; it remains the freshest approach to a field of inquiry..."

...

Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy

By James Shelby Downard with Michael A. Hoffman II
It is by way of Masonic sorcery that the union of opposing principles is supposed to be brought about. The criminals who stage-managed Dallas in the killing of Kennedy have controlled the American people's will in exchange for a sleep without nightmares. I publish this in the wake of the situation Charles Seymour alluded to: "The moralist unquestionably secures wide support; but he also wearies his audience." Most Americans are beyond being tired; the revelations have benumbed them.

Most Freemasons apparently have no idea of the evil that is part of Masonry, and if they do know about it they don't believe it. The same holds true for most members of the "Clandestine Lodges" and Masonic-oriented fraternal organizations as well as Androgynous Masonic Societies.

It is certain that onomatology, or the science of names, forms a very interesting part of the investigations of the higher Masonry.... --(Encyclopedia of Freemasonry)

When the ancients saw a scapegoat, they could at least recognize him for what he was: a pharmakos, a human sacrifice. When modern man sees one, he does not, or refuses to, recognize him for what he IS; instead he looks for "scientific" explanations-to explain away the obvious.

--Thomas Szasz, (Ceremonial Chemistry)

The "science of names" word wizardry forms only one segment of the science of symbolism used by Masons. The JFK assassination encounters this science in a decisive way and contains a veritable nightmare of symbol-complexes having to do with violence, perversion, conspiracy, death and degradation. These elements are important not only as cause-and-effect in the murder of a president but in the ensuing reaction of the people of America and the world....

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

[Susserer]

Jones Ignace speaking on G Lake: he refers to the twenty year struggle Natives have had in BC trying to get the courts to rule on the Constitutional grounds of Native Sovereignty- Jones mentions that this judicial process was attempted 41 times without success.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/v ... 766#158766

From the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

Section 25

The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed so as to abrogate or derogate from any aboriginal, treaty or other rights or freedoms that pertain to the aboriginal peoples of Canada including

(a) any rights or freedoms that have been recognized by the Royal Proclamation of October 7, 1763; and

(b) any rights or freedoms that now exist by way of land claims agreements or may be so acquired.
http://www.bloorstreet.com/200block/sconst82.htm#4

The Royal Proclamation was meant to control the Colonial Nations by setting out rules for how settlement in the new territories could occur and be legally recognised- either by a negotiated treaty or purchase of the land.
http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/Cana ... _1763.html

Because BC was so massively depopulated by the smallpox epidemic in 1865, which coincided with the Gold Rush that brought thousands of prospectors into the area, the legally required process of treaty making or purchasing was abandoned. Thus the present day Native Sovereigntists like Jonesy argue that the province and the federal government have no legal jurisdiction here.

Dr. Bruce Clark lays it out more eloquently than I can:

The following document was originally prepared as Appendix C in a letter from Dr. Bruce Clark to Scott Ritchie, QC (Ontario), titled: "Two Sacred Trusts: The Crown's to Protect Native Liberty, the Legal Profession's to Protect the Rule of Law". Double brackets indicate an addition of S.I.S.I.S. not in the original document.]]

NEW WORLD ORDER
BETWEEN:

LIBERTY IN THE AMERICAS, AND IN THE WORLD

AND

POWER MASQUERADING AS THE RULE OF LAW


THE CASE FOR LIBERTY
IMMINENTLY THREATENED INDIGENOUS PEOPLES in the Americas can be rescued under existing international law, provided that those who control the court process will allow the law to be heard. Furthermore, unless existing international law can be seen to function in the Americas there can be no reasonable prospect for the dawning of a new world order genuinely based upon respect for the rule of law.

FOR LEGAL PURPOSES, THE MARITIME NATIONS OF EUROPE in the 16th through 18th centuries recognized that the indigenous peoples of the Americas were entitled to be respected as human beings. Thus, for example, on the basis that natural law is binding in equity the religious in 1535 enacted the Papal Bull proclaiming that natives were not upon any pretext to be molested or disturbed as to their possessions or property. In 1763 George III by royal proclamation confirmed the same principle of law, as have several judicial decisions which independently constitute the constitutional common law governing the jurisdictional division of legislative, executive and judicial powers in British North America, now known as the USA and Canada.

RESPECT AND CONSENT ARE THE SOUL OF LIBERTY. A single instrument like that of 1535 or that of 1763 is but evidence of homage paid by different generations.

ONE CONSEQUENCE IS THAT WHITE COURTS in the province of British Columbia (Canada) do not have jurisdiction over the Lil'Wat territory. The particular international law conventions, constitutional legislative instruments and constitutional common law decisions that settle this point have recently been identified and submitted to the courts.

THE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM is that the individuals who control the court processes in Canada and in the International Court of Justice at The Hague are abusing their administrative functions so as to prevent the law from being heard. The Chief Justices of British Columbia and other Supreme Court judges have issued a series of injunctions permitting logging on the Lil'Wat territory while at the same time refusing to listen to the precedents, statutes and conventions that preclude their jurisdiction over that territory. They have in conjunction with the Law Society denied other natives and non natives legal counsel of choice to forestall the hearing of those precedents, statutes and conventions in other cases, and some judges have threatened legal counsel both physically and economically for seeking to file with the courts the precedents, statutes and conventions that constitute their willful blindness a belligerent act in terms of international law and a treasonable fraud in terms of constitutional law.

THE LIL'WATS HAVE TURNED TO THE INTERNATIONAL COURT of Justice at The Hague. On September 10, 1991, they filed with that honourable court an Application Instituting Proceedings that reads as follows:...

http://sisis.nativeweb.org/lilwat/lawres2.html