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Postby chiggerbit » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:01 pm

Mentioning Social Security, has anyone considered what the impact of deportation of illegal immigrants will have on Social Security? Personally, I'm convinced that Greenspan privately encouraged this administration to go soft on the porous border because he knew that the immigrants were good for Social Security and for protection from inflation. I'm convinced that the illegal immigrants are the one aspect of this economy that has delayed this "reset" the author talks about.

There are two groups of illegal immigrants employed here in the US: those who are paid under the table and those who are paid over the table. Those paid over the table, who are the majority, need green cards. Over-the-table employers of illegal immigrants "follow the rules" and withdraw Social Security from the immigrants' paychecks, even though the immigrant will never be able to collect from Social Security --unless there is some form of amnesty. Payroll taxes are also deducted from immigrants' paychecks, but the immigrants learn that they can get around that by claiming lots of dependents. But there's no way around Social Security.

The thing to consider is what will happen if the government does get tough on illegal immigration, as many of the politicans are saying they will do. First, the immigrants will need to be replaced by American workers who will want much more for those jobs, at which time inflation will explode, and a few of the ag corps in particular will go bankrupt. But, Social Security collections will suddenly slow down. What kind of reset will we then have?
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Postby ninakat » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:27 pm

antiaristo, thanks for that "reset" article -- excellent reading, and it explains what's happening for us non-economists.

The question of Social Security as a factor in all of this is quite plausible. chiggerbit, your analysis sure had a lot of food for thought.

Oh, and here's something from the article that I think Ron Paul supporters should read (emphasis mine):

This is a natural cycle and cannot be prevented; it is an inherent and necessary function of any financial system which involves return for risk (commonly known as interest), and it is not possible to have a lending system that does not compensate for risk!

Whether you're on a gold standard or not is IMMATERIAL, whether there is a Federal Reserve is IMMATERIAL.

This is not taught in school, but it damn well should be.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BASIC MATHEMATICS HERE.

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Postby antiaristo » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:02 pm

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nina,
I think you'll find this one worthwhile as well.

It's the Washington Post. Which the politicians read.


It's Not 1929, but It's the Biggest Mess Since

By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, December 5, 2007; Page D01

It was Charles Mackay, the 19th-century Scottish journalist, who observed that men go mad in herds but only come to their senses one by one.

We are only at the beginning of the financial world coming to its senses after the bursting of the biggest credit bubble the world has seen. Everyone seems to acknowledge now that there will be lots of mortgage foreclosures and that house prices will fall nationally for the first time since the Great Depression. Some lenders and hedge funds have failed, while some banks have taken painful write-offs and fired executives. There's even a growing recognition that a recession is over the horizon.

But let me assure you, you ain't seen nothing, yet.

What's important to understand is that, contrary to what you heard from President Bush yesterday, this isn't just a mortgage or housing crisis. The financial giants that originated, packaged, rated and insured all those subprime mortgages were the same ones, run by the same executives, with the same fee incentives, using the same financial technologies and risk-management systems, who originated, packaged, rated and insured home-equity loans, commercial real estate loans, credit card loans and loans to finance corporate buyouts.

It is highly unlikely that these organizations did a significantly better job with those other lines of business than they did with mortgages. But the extent of those misjudgments will be revealed only once the economy has slowed, as it surely will.

At the center of this still-unfolding disaster is the Collateralized Debt Obligation, or CDO. CDOs are not new -- they were at the center of a boom and bust in manufacturing housing loans in the early 2000s. But in the past several years, the CDO market has exploded, fueling not only a mortgage boom but expansion of all manner of credit. By one estimate, the face value of outstanding CDOs is nearly $2 trillion.

But let's begin with the mortgage-backed CDO.

By now, almost everyone knows that most mortgages are no longer held by banks until they are paid off: They are packaged with other mortgages and sold to investors much like a bond.

In the simple version, each investor owned a small percentage of the entire package and got the same yield as all the other investors. Then someone figured out that you could do a bigger business by selling them off in tranches corresponding to different levels of credit risk. Under this arrangement, if any of the mortgages in the pool defaulted, the riskiest tranche would absorb all the losses until its entire investment was wiped out, followed by the next riskiest and the next.

With these tranches, mortgage debt could be divided among classes of investors. The riskiest tranches -- those with the lowest credit ratings -- were sold to hedge funds and junk bond funds whose investors wanted the higher yields that went with the higher risk. The safest ones, offering lower yields and Treasury-like AAA ratings, were snapped up by risk-averse pension funds and money market funds. The least sought-after tranches were those in the middle, the "mezzanine" tranches, which offered middling yields for supposedly moderate risks.

Stick with me now, because this is where it gets interesting. For it is at this point that the banks got the bright idea of buying up a bunch of mezzanine tranches from various pools. Then, using fancy computer models, they convinced themselves and the rating agencies that by repeating the same "tranching" process, they could use these mezzanine-rated assets to create a new set of securities -- some of them junk, some mezzanine, but the bulk of them with the AAA ratings more investors desired.

It was a marvelous piece of financial alchemy, one that made Wall Street banks and the ratings agencies billions of dollars in fees. And because so much borrowed money was used -- in buying the original mortgages, buying the tranches for the CDOs and then in buying the tranches of the CDOs -- the whole thing was so highly leveraged that the returns, at least on paper, were very attractive. No wonder they were snatched up by British hedge funds, German savings banks, oil-rich Norwegian villages and Florida pension funds.

What we know now, of course, is that the investment banks and ratings agencies underestimated the risk that mortgage defaults would rise so dramatically that even AAA investments could lose their value.

One analysis, by Eidesis Capital, a fund specializing in CDOs, estimates that, of the CDOs issued during the peak years of 2006 and 2007, investors in all but the AAA tranches will lose all their money, and even those will suffer losses of 6 to 31 percent.

And looking across the sector, J.P. Morgan's CDO analysts estimate that there will be at least $300 billion in eventual credit losses, the bulk of which is still hidden from public view. That includes at least $30 billion in additional write-downs at major banks and investment houses, and much more at hedge funds that, for the most part, remain in a state of denial.

As part of the unwinding process, the rating agencies are in the midst of a massive and embarrassing downgrading process that will force many banks, pension funds and money market funds to sell their CDO holdings into a market so bereft of buyers that, in one recent transaction, a desperate E-Trade was able to get only 27 cents on the dollar for its highly rated portfolio.

Meanwhile, banks that are forced to hold on to their CDO assets will be required to set aside much more of their own capital as a financial cushion. That will sharply reduce the money they have available for making new loans.

And it doesn't stop there. CDO losses now threaten the AAA ratings of a number of insurance companies that bought CDO paper or insured against CDO losses. And because some of those insurers also have provided insurance to investors in tax-exempt bonds, states and municipalities have decided to pull back on new bond offerings because investors have become skittish.

If all this sounds like a financial house of cards, that's because it is. And it is about to come crashing down, with serious consequences not only for banks and investors but for the economy as a whole.

That's not just my opinion. It's why banks are husbanding their cash and why the outstanding stock of bank loans and commercial paper is shrinking dramatically.

It is why Treasury officials are working overtime on schemes to stem the tide of mortgage foreclosures and provide a new vehicle to buy up CDO assets.

It's why state and federal budget officials are anticipating sharp decreases in tax revenue next year.

And it is why the Federal Reserve is now willing to toss aside concerns about inflation, the dollar and bailing out Wall Street, and move aggressively to cut interest rates and pump additional funds directly into the banking system.

This may not be 1929. But it's a good bet that it's way more serious than the junk bond crisis of 1987, the S&L crisis of 1990 or the bursting of the tech bubble in 2001.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 7120500794


It IS 1929.
It's same old same old.

As night follows day, this crash follows the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

Hillary 2008! Yay!
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Postby ninakat » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:16 am

antiaristo, as night follows day indeed:

(note: link goes to an Acrobat PDF file)

THIS IS IT!
by Ian Gordon

The party’s over
It’s time to call it a day
They’ve burst your pretty balloon
And taken the moon away
It’s time to wind up the masquerade
Just make your mind up the piper must be paid
The party’s over
The candles flicker and dim
You danced and dreamed through the night
It seemed to be right just being with him
Now you must wake up, all dreams must end
Take off your makeup, the party’s over
It’s all over my friend.


Words by Betty Comden and Adolph Green; Music by Julie Styne; Sung by Nat King Cole


This is it. The Kondratieff winter is now underway in earnest and nothing can stop it. The huge credit expansion initiated by the Maestro, the past Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, has now reversed. The ensuing credit contraction will be devastating. It will take down creditor and debtor alike and will result in a destructive and frightening deflationary depression.

During the roaring 20s (the previous Kondratieff autumn), the large credit expansion and accompanying stock market boom was pretty much an all American affair. The European economies were struggling to recover from the devastation and cost of World War 1. The Europeans, for the most part, were not participants in the credit and speculative bubbles that so captivated their American cousins. However, when these bubbles collapsed following the 1929 stock market peak and October crash, no one, anywhere, could escape the horrendous depression that was its aftermath.

This time it is different. As the 4th Kondratieff winter unfolds, most of the world is party to the debt bubble and the congruent speculative mania. The sheer size of this situation is at least 100 times greater than 1920s. Thus, the repercussions are likely to be far more punitive than during the ‘dirty 30s’.

This huge monetary expansion perpetrated by the Federal Reserve has contributed to the biggest speculation in every conceivable asset category and has been accompanied by unprecedented hubris, greed and outright fraud. This will be punished. The punishment is likely to fit the crime.

All cycles are forecasting a major peak not only in stock prices but in the economy as well. This includes, not only the Kondratieff cycle, but also Gann cycles such as the 100 year, the 50 year, the 20 year, the 10 year and the 5 year cycles and according to Gann years ending in 7 are also likely to be bad.

So, cycles are predicting a major stock market crash this year. That is right, this year- 2007.

Gann wrote that when the time cycle was over there was nothing that anyone could do to alter the inevitable. President Bush, Secretary of the Treasury Paulsen and Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke and anyone else are powerless to control the approaching financial onslaught.

Regrettably, many people believe that their leaders can always positively control the future. It is a mistaken belief that always costs them dearly.

Every market move is always followed by a reaction. The bigger the up move the bigger the down side. There is no historical comparison with the sheer magnitude of the worldwide investment mania that is currently in force. Thus, the down side threatens to rock the very foundations of capitalism and democracy. As Epicitus put it, “the extreme of any position will ultimately become its opposite.”

As night follows day, a boom is always followed by a bust; the bigger the boom the bigger the bust. The bust always catches the majority unawares, coming as it does from a zenith of apparent prosperity and speculative excess. At this time, the crowd is imbued with an impetuous fervour encouraged by the affirmations of its leaders. Caution is abandoned. Savings are depleted and copious amounts of debt are assumed. It is the set up. It mirrors the mad dash of the lemmings to the cliffs. In that mad dash the lemmings probably feel the same sense of exhilaration as do the speculators. Both are doomed.

Every great credit expansion has always been accompanied by speculative excess. The South Sea Bubble, John law’s Mississippi scheme, the great autumn bull markets of the Kondratieff cycle; all are fashioned by massive increases to the supply of fiat money.

None of these can compare in sheer magnitude and diversity to the autumn bull market that commenced in August 1982 when the Dow bottomed at 777 points. Everything and anything that could be packaged was sold as an investment. The sub-prime mortgage was just one of these new investment concepts. But the death of this market spells the death of the overall stock market. Confidence has been lost and a contagion of panic will likely ensue.

This bull market is now finished and cannot be resurrected as Alan Greenspan was to able breathe new life into the stock market following its peak in the winter of 2000. At that time there was no sub-prime mess to scuttle his efforts. His actions in lowering administered interest rates from 6% to 1% and flooding the banks with money were the very instruments to create the mess in which we now find ourselves.

The great Austrian School Economist, Ludwig von Mises wrote, “There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The question is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved.” There has never been any attempt to abandon the credit expansion. Indeed any crisis was simply an excuse to open the monetary spigots. This, then, is the beginning of the total catastrophe of the American dollar, indeed the entire world monetary and financial structure.

My deceased friend, Teddy Butler-Henderson, met Alan Greenspan in the 1960’s. They apparently discussed the Kondratieff Cycle. According to Teddy, Alan Greenspan confided that he hoped he could be Federal Reserve Chairman at the onset of a Kondratieff winter, because he felt he could defeat winter by substantially increasing the money supply and reducing interest rates to near zero. He had his wish and effected those actions following the 2000 stock market peak.

This effectively put winter on hold but massively compounded already excessive credit to the extent that people who should never have had access to loans were willingly given them. Now the credit bubble that Alan Greenspan initiated is beginning to unwind. The process will be horrific and cannot be reversed. Incidentally, Mr. Greenspan told Teddy during that same conversation that if he failed to thwart the Kondratieff winter, it would make what followed 1929 look like a ‘Sunday school picnic.’ This is what we have to expect.

The rapidly advancing monetary crisis centered on the dollar is reminiscent of the previous Kondratieff winter crisis, which was focused on the British Pound. The Pound’s collapse in 1931 brought down the world monetary system and caused the abandonment of gold as a backing for money. But in the coming financial and economic chaos that is characteristic of the Kondratieff winter, gold will reassert its traditional role as money.

The demand for gold, just as it was in the early 1930’s, will be enormous. Since this crisis is much greater than the crisis of the 1930’s and international in scope, the rush to own gold is likely to be far more pervasive than it was then.

The unfolding crisis has enveloped the globe. Central banks are pouring money into chartered banks in an effort to stabilize the situation. In the three weeks following the failure of the Bear Stearns funds and other hedge funds, the injection of cash by the world’s central banks totaled almost half a trillion dollars. The cash infusions continue.

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that the people of
the nation do not
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banking system, for
if they did, I believe
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tomorrow morning.”
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Postby antiaristo » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:49 pm

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nina,
We can quantify that boom.

This chart comes from John Williams Shadowstats.

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http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-m3.gif

My definitions.

M1 is cash in circulation. Notes and coins and checking accounts in the USA.

M2 is M1 plus the savings of ordinary persons and very small businesses in the USA.

M3 is M2 plus everything else - primarily corporate - throughout the world.


Now a few points come to mind.

All three were pretty much in step up until the end of 2004. The Fed Funds rate was 1.x% (ie less than 2%) from Dec 2001 until Dec 2004.

Since the end of 2004 cash growth has slowed, and is now completely stagnant.

Small persons money(M2) has gone up a bit, ranging from 4% to 7%. That's reasonable, and leaves room for three percent growth, more or less, and two percent inflation in prices. That hasn't caused the boom.

M3, corporate money, has EXPLODED. Not only is M3 growing rapidly, but that growth is itself accelerating.

That's what caused the boom, and the reason is the large base. It includes all those petrodollars overseas, all those reserves held by foreign central banks, accumulated over thirty years. If THAT is growing at sixteen percent that's an ENORMOUS stimulus.

To summarise.

"Little people" got nothing out of the boom. Only "legal persons" like corporations and TRUSTS.

You know. Charitable Trusts (Ha!) like I describe here:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 812#151812

Also known as Structured Investment Vehicles, or conduits.

Which are now imploding. That's the "credit crunch".

That line for M3 is going to turn downwards at a rate of knots. It will probably cross zero within six months.

And a lot of innocent people are going to get burned.

So the next time someone talks about the "subprime mess" you can put them right. It's not people that have done this. It's LEGAL PERSONS. It's not a "subprime mess". It's a securitisation mess, brought to you by the Masters of the Universe.


Never mind.

Here's something to cheer you up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_qK4g6ntM

http://forestpolicy.typepad.com/economi ... moris.html


:)
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nowt left to control people

Postby slow_dazzle » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:28 pm

calculated risk on CDO wipeout

There are two really telling comments in the article:

Across the cash flow assets sold and credit default swaps terminated, we estimate, based on the values reported by the trustee, that the collateral in Adams Square Funding I Ltd. yielded, on average, the equivalent of a market value of less than 25% of par value.


Maybe it wouldn't be unreasonable to divide all CDO stock world wide by 4 to get an indication of true value, even the AAA stuff. anti posted a while ago to mention CDO's being liquidated at 40 cents on the dollar. Seems it's even worse than that...25 cents and counting...downwards.

And this nice liitle sting in the tail (or tale...the tall one)

Bloomberg is reporting (no link) that $165 million of debt, originally rated AAA will not be repaid.

From triple AAA to nothing. That is a deep cut.


No amount of messing around with interest rates can alter the fact that AAA is being marked down to junk level. The Fed doesn't have anything tangible to control because the real issue is a collapse in value.

The fire is burning brightly folks.
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ARM rate freeze...

Postby barracuda » Sun Dec 09, 2007 11:25 pm

From the S.F. Chronicle:


The government is trying to accomplish wide-scale refinancing by tricking bond investors, or by tricking U.S. taxpayers. Guess who will foot the bill now that the FHA is entering the fray?


Ultimately, the people in these secret Paulson meetings were probably less worried about saving the mortgage market than with saving themselves. Some might be looking at prison time.


As chief of Goldman Sachs, Paulson was involved, to degrees as yet unrevealed, in the mortgage securitization process during the halcyon days of mortgage fraud from 2004 to 2006.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/12/09/IN5BTNJ2V.DTL

I have also heard some talk that any CDO tranche which contains a frozen rate mortgage under HOPE NOW will not be required to undergo valuation for the five year period of the freeze.
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Re: ARM rate freeze...

Postby antiaristo » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:04 pm

barracuda wrote:
I have also heard some talk that any CDO tranche which contains a frozen rate mortgage under HOPE NOW will not be required to undergo valuation for the five year period of the freeze.


Can you flesh that out, b?

That would be MASSIVE.
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Postby barracuda » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:55 pm

Sorry, not much fleshing out to be done, just a rumor I have read several times on the threads over at marketticker.com.

Of course, five year investor exemptions on valuation along with legislative immunity from litigation for lenders would provide mighty incentives for the "voluntary" rate freeze program.

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Postby antiaristo » Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:10 pm

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The Federal Reserve has LOST control.

There has been a massive run on bank reserves in the past few weeks.

Go to here: http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/Current/

Go to column 3. That's Reserves of depository institutions, non borrowed.

That's how much the banks have in aggregate to set against loan losses.

It has been pretty steady for months at around $40 billion.

Then on Jan 2 it COLLAPSED to $8.7 billion.

Apparently that's all the banks have available to cover losses on their lending.

About 0.2% of loans.

Any economists out there? Any comments?
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Postby ninakat » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:00 pm

anti, that looks ominous.

I'd definitely like to hear comments from those who understand more about what's going on. Is this being talked about on the 'net anywhere? I'm not finding any commentary or analysis when searching around.

Here's another chart from the Wall Street Journal with nifty red ink for "% change in weekly averages":

http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2 ... edresdataD
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Postby MASONIC PLOT » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:01 pm

Any economists out there? Any comments?


No, they are all at the White House as we speak

Bush convened the Plunge Protection Team today:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.j ... iew107.xml

Full collapse on schedule.



Bush convenes Plunge Protection Team

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
Last Updated: 12:05am GMT 08/01/2008


Bears beware. The New Deal of 2008 is in the works. The US Treasury is about to shower households with rebate cheques to head off a full-blown slump, and save the Bush presidency. On Friday, Mr Bush convened the so-called Plunge Protection Team for its first known meeting in the Oval Office. The black arts unit - officially the President's Working Group on Financial Markets - was created after the 1987 crash.


I would love to comment more but we are simply in unchartered waters right now...there is really nothing to say but buy and hold. Holding any paper right now is a very risky endeavor.

However, with this PPT news, we could see a smackdown (or, it could mean metals up in dollars, down in EUROS/ YUAN/ RUBLES) in metals in the near future. I wouldnt panic though since anything they do is going to be a temporary fix.


Remember this as a rule of thumb: in a general global crash...the item that loses the least is the winner; gold/ silver look like the long-term play.
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Postby alloneword » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:01 pm

ninakat wrote:I'd definitely like to hear comments from those who understand more about what's going on. Is this being talked about on the 'net anywhere? I'm not finding any commentary or analysis when searching around.


Don't know if anyone's mentioned him yet, but Max Keiser is well worth a listen:

http://www.karmabanqueradio.com/

http://www.maxkeiser.com/
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Postby erosoplier » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:14 pm

40 billion is a pittance - it isn't of any practical use whatsoever as a reserve - so 8.7 billion is just a smaller pittance.

Some central banks require 0% reserves (not sure if it's the same kind of reserve I'm talking about though), so it isn't necessarily a real and true economic problem. What it may be though is a signal, from them to us, to tell us that there is about to be a shift. They may be about to pretend that there is a world of difference between 40b and 8.7b, that there are profound reasons behind the sudden change.
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Postby antiaristo » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:33 am

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nina,
It's covered here:
http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/?p=1314

Masonic,
Heh.
How does it go? If you placed the world's economists end to end they couldn't reach a conclusion. :lol:

eros,
I don't disagree with what you said about pittances. But there is more to it than that.

What happens when the figure drops to zero, then goes negative?

That means that in aggregate the US banking system is insolvent.

Now there are some pretty serious rules about continuing to trade when a board of directors has reason to believe its charge is insolvent. For a start the directors become personally liable - the corporate veil dissipates.

How many times have we heard "Who could have known that...(insert favourite disaster here).."?

Well, with that aggregate statistic, it's pretty hard to sustain plausible deniability, no?

And it presents a problem for policy makers, who have been touting solutions for a liquidity crunch. EVERYBODY can now see it's a solvency crisis.

And what about those Wall Street bonuses?
And those huge payoffs for failed CEOs?

Does this not strongly suggest they were paid out not from profits, but from reserves?

You and I can make all the criticisms in the world, but they count for naught.

But the Fed data is evidence, in the legal sense.

That's why it is worth reporting here.

This is the REGULATED sector of the American financial system. How bad are things amongst the (unregulated) hedge funds and on the (unregulated) derivatives markets?
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