Billion frame per second theory of consciousness

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Postby chillin » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:50 pm

Ziggin' and a Zaggin' wrote: Apologies to chillin' for my making such a tangent here.


NP, tangents are good. I wonder it that was a reference to spontaneous internal combustion? For some reason I can't stop thinking of the Looney Tune where Daffy auditions with an act in which he blows hisself up.

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RE looking for reincarnations: according to the Tibetans it takes between a week and seven weeks for the consciousness to find a womb, and then of course, you must factor in nine more months.


Heya =) You made think about Rick Strassman.

That pineal DMT release at 49 days after conception marks the entrance of the spirit into the fetus. Interestingly he correlates this 49-day prenatal period to the first signs of foetal pineal tissue, the differentiation of the gonads into male and female, and how long it takes between the death of an individual and its soul’s next rebirth according to the Tibetan Buddhist tradition.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:39 am

IanEye wrote:Anyway, in terms of the more metaphysical aspects of this thread, i have a theory about multi personality disorder. i think a "normal" personality is made up of hundreds of personas, and when life poses a puzzle to an individual, these personas attack the puzzle all at once in a big blur and what emerges is a sort of consensus about the best possible way forward.

I think the "defect" of those with multiple personality disorder is that what happens to them is this approach breaks down and they tend to get "stuck" in one personality for much longer than "normal" people do. So, their problem is not that they have more personalities than average, but that they spend much too long in any one mask, where as the average person applies many personas to the puzzle.

Not sure if I am explaining that as well as i could.


I can't figure out where I read something similar to this. Appropriately enough, my reading lately has been so schizophrenic and disjointed that I don't whether I'm coming or going. I've got stacks of books scattered all over my apartment. And I'm one of those people that will go to look up a word and get sidetracked and spend a half an hour reading the dictionary so my online reading wanders all over the place. If I find the article I'll post a link to it. If I remember correctly the similarity is in the idea that having multiple personalities is the normal state and that we switch between them so quickly that we do not perceive ourselves as having more than one personality. I have to admit this has a ring of truth to me.

Of course we run the risk of trivializing what I believe is a very real and debilitating psychological disorder with our metaphysical musings, but this is the lounge so hopefully there will be no shouting here. MPD is still a very contentious diagnosis. There is lots of disagreement on it's origins, the diagnostic criteria to be used and even whether it exists at all. It's an interesting theory that the dysfunction of mpd arises as a result of getting stuck in a personality. Maybe this is because this is indicative of trauma based mpd... partitioning off parts of our psyches as a defensive measure. Literally we are "stuck" in the past.

Kurzweil wrote:Computer neural net simulations have been limited by two factors: the number of neural connections that can be simulated in real time and the capacity of computer memories. While human neurons are slow (a million times slower than electronic circuits), every neuron and every interneuronal connection is operating simultaneously. With about 100 billion neurons and an average of 1000 connections per neuron, there are about 100 trillion computations being performed at the same time. At about 200 computations per second, that comes to 20 million billion (2 x 1016) calculations per second.


link:The Paradigms and Paradoxes of Intelligence: Building a Brain
It seems there is plenty of computing power to cycle through hundreds of personalities per second. I'm curious how you came by this theory. How do you experience this?
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:00 am

ZZ wrote:So there you are. I did it just for fun. I am not that interested in the O.T.O. I was fascinated, however, by this Jack Parsons fellow... In fact, I only found out about him a couple of years back while reading one of Jeff's posts on his blog.


Got it. We were just curious.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:03 am

Kult wrote:RE looking for reincarnations: according to the Tibetans it takes between a week and seven weeks for the consciousness to find a womb, and then of course, you must factor in nine more months.


Do you believe in reincarnation?
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:16 am

Chillin wrote:I've read some of The Nature of Personal Reality and filed it under 'Forbidden Knowledge' along with quantum mechanics. IMO these are topics that are best dealt with by the higher intelligences.


Yah. There's some truth to that. I figure if I can explain a theory or a topic clearly and concisely to someone else then I own that knowledge and I don't pretend for a second to understand quantum physics and it's implications for consciousness despite having read a lot on the subject. Even reading someone like RAW on the subject who has a knack for reducing very difficult concepts down into intelligible language for the math challenged does not necessarily make some of this accesible in a way that I then own it. This does not really stop me though. :wink:
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Postby chillin » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:14 am

brainpanhandler wrote:...I'm curious how you came by this theory. How do you experience this?


I just had a videocard burn up on me. Apparently the newer cards have power requirements, my power supply was too low. I'm a network analyst so I think about computer communication. I've read a pile of metaphysical, sci-fi and fantasy stuff. I've been told we are transcient (haven't entirely figured that out). Thinking about infinity and the fact every atom including the ones that make up our bodies we're originally forged in the stars, literally. Thinking about past psychological experiences and the concept of 'possession' or channeling. I used a CNS stimulant that will remain nameless to protect the guilty. I'm 90% sure I've read something like this before, that Mark Twain quote is so appropriate.

Sometimes I feel like different people, its like their presence hangs over me like a mask. Also a couple of months ago in the middle of the day while driving I dissociated for a couple of hours and 'woke up' in jail (Disturbing the Peace). Subsequent to that there exist large memory gaps that span a couple of days, so I've been curious about who or what was at the wheel. Sometimes I hear voices in my head, my shrink says I'm not schizophrenic despite all of this. I'm taking her word on it, she works in a hospital.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:49 pm

brainpanhandler wrote:
Do you believe in reincarnation?


Sure. Yeah! I mean, I believe in an immortal soul, and I don't believe in hell-or-heaven-forever, so I must, right?
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:50 pm

RE: multiple personalties/personae as normal.

See chaos magick.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:52 pm

chillin wrote:
Sometimes I feel like different people, its like their presence hangs over me like a mask. Also a couple of months ago in the middle of the day while driving I dissociated for a couple of hours and 'woke up' in jail (Disturbing the Peace). Subsequent to that there exist large memory gaps that span a couple of days, so I've been curious about who or what was at the wheel. Sometimes I hear voices in my head, my shrink says I'm not schizophrenic despite all of this. I'm taking her word on it, she works in a hospital.


Be careful. Sounds like a dissociative fugue. Don't join any therapy cults in search of a "cure."
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Postby chillin » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:18 pm

theeKultleeder wrote:Be careful. Sounds like a dissociative fugue. Don't join any therapy cults in search of a "cure."

Wanna hear something "funny"? In French 'faire fugue' means making an escape, some psychiatric wards had these signs 'Risque de Fugue'. I thought the word means the same in both languages and figured the signs meant that there was some kind of contagious psychosis in those areas.

Not much chance in me getting roped up in a cult, I enjoy being semi-crazy most of the time. Good things have come from my psychotic/spiritual episodes, I'm getting better at it lol. I went from completely dissociated to back to work in about 10 days last time. A personal record!
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Postby theeKultleeder » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:33 pm

chillin wrote:Not much chance in me getting roped up in a cult, I enjoy being semi-crazy most of the time. Good things have come from my psychotic/spiritual episodes, I'm getting better at it lol. I went from completely dissociated to back to work in about 10 days last time. A personal record!


I can't help thinking that's pretty cool, but I'm still worried for you. Feeling the crazy and entering it as a "bardo" or an altered (psychedelic) state is very good, but memory gaps are never good. Maybe it is a dissociated part that needs to be reclaimed. I hope you can manage this without dulling your conscious experience.

Godspeed to you on your journeys!
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Postby chillin » Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:03 am

Thanks for the warm wishes. I'm not too concerned really, it's the first time that I've 'missed time' in the day (there's been plenty of time lost to alcohol at night lol) and I was kinda abusing amphetamines. But I read the wiki on Dissociative Fugue and it mentioned:

"As the person experiencing a Dissociative fugue may have recently suffered the reappearance of an event or person representing an earlier life trauma..."

And that fit the situation perfectly so I figure it was a mix of weirdness from 20 years ago making a reappearance while I was in a already pretty wired state of mind.

BTW, Seeing the word 'fugue' so much reminds me of Clive Barker's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaveworld it's a tome but I remember finding it enjoyable and quite trippy.
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:34 am

Chillin wrote:I just had a videocard burn up on me. Apparently the newer cards have power requirements, my power supply was too low. I'm a network analyst so I think about computer communication. I've read a pile of metaphysical, sci-fi and fantasy stuff. I've been told we are transcient (haven't entirely figured that out). Thinking about infinity and the fact every atom including the ones that make up our bodies we're originally forged in the stars, literally. Thinking about past psychological experiences and the concept of 'possession' or channeling. I used a CNS stimulant that will remain nameless to protect the guilty. I'm 90% sure I've read something like this before, that Mark Twain quote is so appropriate.

Sometimes I feel like different people, its like their presence hangs over me like a mask. Also a couple of months ago in the middle of the day while driving I dissociated for a couple of hours and 'woke up' in jail (Disturbing the Peace). Subsequent to that there exist large memory gaps that span a couple of days, so I've been curious about who or what was at the wheel. Sometimes I hear voices in my head, my shrink says I'm not schizophrenic despite all of this. I'm taking her word on it, she works in a hospital.



What do you say to the suggestion that the above sounds "trollish"?

There is no word transcient. Do you mean transient or is "transcient" a unique coinage of someone? If the latter, definition?

How come you chose to decline naming the CNS stimulant in this post and then later you do mention it by name?

You explained all that to your shrink and she dismissed a diagnosis of schizophrenia? You need to find out if she even believes schizophrenia is a real disorder. It's possible she does not or believes that it is so rare as to be almost nonexistent. Certainly your psychiatrist must have at least been concerned by such a bizarre series of unprecedented events.

I have occasionally had auditory hallucinations that are very vivid. They usually occur when I am in an hypnagogic state as I am falling asleep.
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Postby chillin » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:04 am

brainpanhandler wrote:What do you say to the suggestion that the above sounds "trollish"?

Meh, whatever

There is no word transcient. Do you mean transient or is "transcient" a unique coinage of someone? If the latter, definition?

Guess I meant transient. But upon reflection a new word implying 'consciousness that stays for a short time, then moves on' would be appropriate given the circumstances under which I was told that. Thank you.
How come you chose to decline naming the CNS stimulant in this post and then later you do mention it by name?

The reason how come is I was discussing 2 separate incidents, 2 separate drugs. The amphetamine was legally obtained and associated with a psychosis months ago, the other was last week and was a partial inspiration for this psychotic thread. The thread's gone kinda OT I guess.
You explained all that to your shrink and she dismissed a diagnosis of schizophrenia?...

About this bizarre theory I posted while high and the extremes of my kookiness? Not exactly, I do try to be a 'sane' as possible without being dishonest with her though. I usually only discuss whatever's bothering me most and what I think of the meds.
I have occasionally had auditory hallucinations that are very vivid. They usually occur when I am in an hypnagogic state as I am falling asleep.

Not to sound trollish, but I saw a shadow person one time in that state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people
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Postby brainpanhandler » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:18 am

Chillin wrote:
brainpanhandler wrote:What do you say to the suggestion that the above sounds "trollish"?
Meh, whatever


Just curious.

Chillin wrote:
brainpanhandler wrote:There is no word transcient. Do you mean transient or is "transcient" a unique coinage of someone? If the latter, definition?
Guess I meant transient. But upon reflection a new word implying 'consciousness that stays for a short time, then moves on' would be appropriate given the circumstances under which I was told that.


Exactly. I was not being pedantic at all. If transcient isn't a word it oughta be.

Chillin wrote:
brainpanhandler wrote:How come you chose to decline naming the CNS stimulant in this post and then later you do mention it by name?
The reason how come is I was discussing 2 separate incidents, 2 separate drugs. The amphetamine was legally obtained and associated with a psychosis months ago, the other was last week and was a partial inspiration for this psychotic thread. The thread's gone kinda OT I guess.


Nuff said. You can see how I might have thought it was an odd contradiction. OT? The only reason I've sort of wandered wherever the thread seemed to want to go was because tangents were welcomed. We can go back to a billion fps if you want. More tangentially related to that idea, which necessarily has to do with the way we perceive the passage of time... If nothing moved at all, nothing... down to subatomic particles and all the way up to the expansion of the universe would time exist?

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brainpanhandler wrote:You explained all that to your shrink and she dismissed a diagnosis of schizophrenia?...
About this bizarre theory I posted while high and the extremes of my kookiness? Not exactly, I do try to be a 'sane' as possible without being dishonest with her though. I usually only discuss whatever's bothering me most and what I think of the meds.


Specifically, this:
Sometimes I feel like different people, its like their presence hangs over me like a mask. Also a couple of months ago in the middle of the day while driving I dissociated for a couple of hours and 'woke up' in jail (Disturbing the Peace). Subsequent to that there exist large memory gaps that span a couple of days, so I've been curious about who or what was at the wheel. Sometimes I hear voices in my head, my shrink says I'm not schizophrenic despite all of this. I'm taking her word on it, she works in a hospital.


I would think your psychiatrist would take this very seriously. I figured you had told her this since you said "...despite all this."


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brainpanhandler wrote:I have occasionally had auditory hallucinations that are very vivid. They usually occur when I am in an hypnagogic state as I am falling asleep.
Not to sound trollish, but I saw a shadow person one time in that state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people


Don't let the trollish query bother you too much. "meh, whatever" is a good enough response. I mean, how else does one respond? Shadow people... I had a recurring nightmare with menacing shadow people haunting me before I ever heard of shadow people. When I did hear about shadow people I was a bit freaked out since the description exactly matched the nightmares I used to have.
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