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William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby a11235813 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:45 pm

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Some further thought re the 9/11 truth movement
When I say, as I did in last month's report, that I don't think that 9-11 was an "inside job", it's not because I believe that men like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, et al. are not morally depraved enough to carry out such a monstrous act; these men each has a piece missing, a piece that's shaped like a social conscience; they consciously and directly instigated the current Iraqi and Afghanistan horrors which have already cost many more American lives than were lost on 9/11, not to mention more than a million Iraqis and Afghans who dearly wanted to remain amongst the living. In the Gulf War of 1991, Cheney and other American leaders purposely destroyed electricity-generating plants, water-pumping systems, and sewage systems in Iraq, then imposed sanctions upon the country making the repair of the infrastructure extremely difficult. Then, after twelve years, when the Iraqi people had performed the heroic task of getting these systems working fairly well again, the US bombers came back to inflict devastating damage to them all once more. My books and many others document one major crime against humanity after another by our America once so dear and cherished.

So it's not the moral question that makes me doubt the inside-job scenario. It's the logistics of it all -- the incredible complexity of arranging it all so that it would work and not be wholly and transparently unbelievable. That and the gross overkill -- they didn't need to destroy or smash up ALL those buildings and planes and people. One of the twin towers killing more than a thousand would certainly have been enough to sell the War on Terror, the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security. The American people are not such a hard sell. They really yearn to be true believers. Look how they scream hysterically over Hillary and Obama.

To win over people like me, the 9/11 truth people need to present a scenario that makes the logistics reasonably plausible. They might start by trying to answer questions like these: Did planes actually hit the towers and the Pentagon and crash in Pennsylvania? Were these the same four United Airline and American Airline planes that took off from Boston and Newark? At the time of collision, were they being piloted by people or by remote control? If people, who were these people?

Also, why did building 7 collapse? If it was purposely demolished -- why? All the reasons I've read so far I find not very credible. As to the films of the towers and building 7 collapsing, which make it appear that this had to be the result of controlled demolitions -- I agree, it does indeed look that way. But what do I know? I'm no expert. It's not like I've seen, in person or on film, numerous examples of buildings collapsing due to controlled demolition and numerous other examples of buildings collapsing due to planes crashing into them, so I could make an intelligent distinction. We are told by the 9/11 truth people that no building constructed like the towers has ever collapsed due to fire. But how about fire plus a full-size, loaded airplane smashing into it? How many examples of that do we have?

But there's one argument those who support the official version use against the skeptics that I would question. It's the argument that if the government planned the operation there would have to have been many people in on the plot, and surely by now one of them would have talked and the mainstream media would have reported their stories. But in fact a number of firemen, the buildings' janitor, and others have testified to hearing many explosions in the towers some time after the planes crashed, supporting the theory of planted explosives. But scarce little of this has made it to the media. Likewise, following the JFK assassination at least two men came forward afterward and identified themselves as being one of the three "tramps" on the grassy knoll in Dallas. So what happened? The mainstream media ignored them both. I know of them only because the tabloid press ran their stories. One of the men was the father of actor Woody Harrelson.
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Re: William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby ninakat » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:14 pm

Howdy a11235813, and welcome to the board.

William Blum's got that same-old same-old regurgitation of excuses to believe the official story. This part stood out:

To win over people like me, the 9/11 truth people need to present a scenario that makes the logistics reasonably plausible. They might start by trying to answer questions like these: Did planes actually hit the towers and the Pentagon and crash in Pennsylvania? Were these the same four United Airline and American Airline planes that took off from Boston and Newark? At the time of collision, were they being piloted by people or by remote control? If people, who were these people?


Those are the impossible-to-answer questions (except yes, planes did hit the towers, thank you very much) that nobody within the 9/11 truth community could possibly answer. Sure, some try, but it's illogical to even ask such questions of ANYONE except the perpetrators (or others involved in the operation). So, those are all the wrong questions to be asking and certainly to be expecting of the 9/11 truth community.

I could go on, but there's no need. The above is enough to show me he's an idiot.

One last thing (I know, I said I wouldn't go on) -- he at least realizes that the media are negligent when it comes to reporting the witnesses regarding the explosions at WTC. But yet he doesn't see that the same media is the biggest stumbling block to 9/11 truth. He talks about "the incredible complexity of arranging it all so that it would work and not be wholly and transparently unbelievable" and yet it WAS unbelievable to a lot of people right off the bat. Why doesn't Blum blame the media for its lack of coverage of the hundreds of coincidences and conveniences and yes, glaring transparencies? Because he's an idiot. :roll:

And by going on about he believes Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld were capable of pulling off 9/11, he's showing he isn't a denialist about their immorality at least. But does he think that his lack of denial then props up his other arguments against 9/11 truth? Ain't gonna work. He's an idiot.

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Re: William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby yathrib » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:38 pm

So much easier to call him an idiot than to attempt to engage his honest and reasonable questions. I think the LIHOP scenario (at least) is beyond dispute. But it's this sort of smackdown approach to dialogue (yeah, I know advocates of the official story do it too, maybe even more blatantly) that guarantees that most people--idiots and otherwise--are going to continue to avoid "9/11 truth" like a plague bacteria that's come down with avian flu. All this in spite of the fact that perhaps a majority of Americans consider one or more "truth" scenarioes to be at least plausible on their own merits.

I can't help but think of what happened to me when I was nine years old, and asked the Sunday school teacher where the light in Genesis 1:1 came from when the heavenly luminaries were created days later.


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Postby Nordic » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:03 pm

Yeah, right, it's up to us to conduct a $50 million investigation, with subpoena power, to find out what actually happened.

The entire POINT of the truth movement is to ask quesitons, not answer them.

To me, people like this are being so obvious. An intelligent person ou can't miss the point by that wide of a margin without having an agenda of their own.

And the agenda is to shut down the truth movement, and making them all seem like a bunch of nuts who are just making shit up. "You can't prove that" is a not-so-subtle way of saying "you're just making that up".

No, we are not making up anything. We are pointing out anomalies, contradictions, evidence, in short we are pointing out legitimate REASONS why there should be a real investigation.

Hey look, here's a reason: The U.S. government spent more money chasing Bill Clinton's come stains than they did (by FAR!) investigating the worst attack on U.S. soil in american history.

So right there -- something is seriously wrong with THAT picture.

And here's another one -- the people who actually conducted the investigation say they were set up to fail, and that a lot of people have things to hide about that day, and that a great deal of evidence never made it to them because of their staff members culling it out.

Those two reasons ALONE are reason enough for a new, and REAL investigation.

Is that "proof" enough for your sorry ass, William Blum?
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Postby nomo » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:18 pm

Nordic wrote:Those two reasons ALONE are reason enough for a new, and REAL investigation.

Is that "proof" enough for your sorry ass, William Blum?


"Reasons for a new investigation" are not "proof" of anything. Sheesh. :roll:
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Postby American Dream » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:19 pm

ninakat wrote:
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To win over people like me, the 9/11 truth people need to present a scenario that makes the logistics reasonably plausible. They might start by trying to answer questions like these: Did planes actually hit the towers and the Pentagon and crash in Pennsylvania? Were these the same four United Airline and American Airline planes that took off from Boston and Newark? At the time of collision, were they being piloted by people or by remote control? If people, who were these people?


Those are the impossible-to-answer questions (except yes, planes did hit the towers, thank you very much) that nobody within the 9/11 truth community could possibly answer. Sure, some try, but it's illogical to even ask such questions of ANYONE except the perpetrators (or others involved in the operation). So, those are all the wrong questions to be asking and certainly to be expecting of the 9/11 truth community.


Blum is discounting an "inside job" model based on the flood of sketchy theories that he identifies with the 9/11 Truth Movement. If these are impossible-to-answer questions, we have to admit that it is likely that disinformationists and misinformationists have been having a field day, because there are many, many hard-to-prove assertions that have been presented as fact, to the detriment of the cause.

It may be more helpful to really raise questions rather than to dogmatically latch on to pet theories, since we really don't know all the details. Like the JFK assassination, it may be more fruitful to talk about the coalition of forces that have participated in the cover-up, rather than to get caught up in endless hair-splitting about the op itself. In doing this, we would be directly combatting the disinfo agenda...

Bill Blum is very aware of the reality ofcovert operations, but in this case he is holding out for evidence and logic, which is quite literally a reasonable thing to do. In this sense, he represents many ordinary people who have not been swayed by the 9/11 Truth Movement- a veritable "swing vote" consituency. If indeed that movement has been hurt by misinformationists and disinformationists, then we need to look at that, and take appropriate measures...
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Re: William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby a11235813 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:53 pm

ninakat wrote:Howdy a11235813, and welcome to the board.


Thanks ninakat. Been a lurker for quite a while, except for posting some links to stuff folks on the board may find interesting. I've wanted to start contributing to the discussion for quite some time, but my limited knowledge of deep/para politics (I'm from India) means that I am still in learning mode.
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Re: William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby ninakat » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:30 pm

a11235813 wrote:
ninakat wrote:Howdy a11235813, and welcome to the board.


Thanks ninakat. Been a lurker for quite a while, except for posting some links to stuff folks on the board may find interesting. I've wanted to start contributing to the discussion for quite some time, but my limited knowledge of deep/para politics (I'm from India) means that I am still in learning mode.


I'm in learning mode on a lot of subjects as well. I do know a fair amount about 9/11 though, so had to take issue with William Blum's questions for truthers. Anyway, I hope you'll continue contributing. :)
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Postby ninakat » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:36 pm

yathrib wrote:So much easier to call him an idiot than to attempt to engage his honest and reasonable questions.


Actually I did both -- you made it sound as if I merely said he's an idiot without giving good reasons. You can disagree with me yathrib, but your characterization of my posting is distorted at best.

I don't think Blum's questions were reasonable at all. Maybe they were honest though, I'll give you that. But they were absurd questions, hence he comes across as an idiot on this issue at least. He's probably a genius otherwise.

American Dream wrote:Blum is discounting an "inside job" model based on the flood of sketchy theories that he identifies with the 9/11 Truth Movement.


Understandable, if that's truly what he's doing. But, he didn't couch his argument in those words. Instead, he sounded like someone who thinks that ordinary people who have questions about 9/11 (aka "truthers") should be able to answer his ridiculous questions, as if the burden of proof is on them and not the government. Grade: F.

Nordic, good points.
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Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:05 pm

Excellant points, American Dream. Addressing some of the issues Blum identifies would go a LOT further to empower a movement for 911 justice than putting him down for not 'getting-it'.

And really -- what's the benefit to dissing Blum, calling him an idiot for being honest? Is it to shame anybody reading who like Blum has their own skeptical questions to jump onto the '911 Truth' train by intimidation?

I just see it as a misdirected, perhaps even mildly self-satisfying gesture, like a superior, smirking bitchslap. If the 911 Truth club wants to remain a hermetic self-absorbed daisy-chain, then insulting potential peace-and-justice allies is the way to go.

I guess I've become disenchanted with the potential of 911 to serve as the catalyst for positive change, let alone accountability for those who had a role in planning, carrying-out, aiding, covering-up or deliberately lying to deny aspects of the crime that points to official or semi-official complicity.

In the bigger picture, 911 isn't the end-all/be-all of the treason, betrayals, corruption, fraud, war crimes and related crimes of empire that the US criminal-syndicate (and its associates around the world) have been and are involved in. The subsequent deaths of a million-plus Iraqis and Afghanis, the vast majority of which are by any stretch 'collateral damage' of wars that we know were premised on outrageous, facetious lies and distortions -- far outweigh the horrors of 911, which BTW are still continuing as the 8000+ firemen, police, first-responders, rescue and clean-up workers suffer and die from the toxic poisons the EPA and White House both lied-about and minimized, even as they are short-changed medical care and reimbursement for their career-ending illnesses, yet another 'group' of incidental victims sacrificed in the greater cause of contrived 'terror attacks' which the US gov. institution has perpetrated upon us all. It's scarcely possible to grasp even some of the implications to the deceits and abuses and frauds that characterize our modern era.

But perhaps that's something that drives those obsessed with 911 -- it provides a rather-simplified focus for attention, so much easier to analyze and hold-forth as a catalyst for change than the 1001 bits and pieces of covert ops and deceptions and intrigue that makes current events such a challenging puzzle.

I find Blum wonderfully honest, rigorous and vibrant, cutting through mounds of crap to isolate the essence, as in the quote below from the same source originally cited:

"No, I don't know what we should do about our leaders. The US electoral process which we're all suffering through right now, which feels like it's been going on non-stop forever, is replete with continual cries from the leading candidates about some kind of "change". Whatever can they mean? They mean nothing. And the media treats it all like some kind of horse race, a spectator sport. Is there any election system in this world as lacking in intellectual discussion, as hopelessly corrupted by money, and as undemocratic as the one Americans are blessed with? Where else in the world is the candidate with the most votes not necessarily the winner? If we could interview each and every American voter to determine exactly why they voted for a particular candidate, compared to what the actual facts are about that candidate, and the results were widely publicized, it would be such a national embarrassment the next election might be called off. What does winning an election mean other than that the sales campaign was successful? An outright auction for the presidency would be more efficient, and more honest."

Considering Blum's deeply principled scholarship and writing what are arguably critically important, noteable books, dismissing him as an 'idiot' shows the same kind of intolerant self-obsorbed dogmatism of those who unquestionably accept the official 911 explanation.

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Re: Last two Blum comments on 9/11 repeated

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:41 pm

(Sadly, even William Blum has so far been distracted by disinfo and hasn't been shown the proofs of 9/11 as an inside job. Maybe now someone will show him the law of physics called Conservation of Momentum which proves those three buildings couldn't come down that fast without being blown up AND the photos of steel plus debris being thrown hundreds of feet horizontally AND the metallurgical evidence of thermate plus iron-rich spheroids AND the pools of molten metal AND....)

reposting-

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The Anti-Empire Report
Read this or George W. Bush will be president the rest of your life
December 11, 2007
by William Blum
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Finally, there's September 11, 2001. Amongst those in the "9/11 Truth Movement" I am a sinner because I don't champion the idea that it was an "inside job". I think it more likely that some individuals in the Bush administration knew that something was about to happen involving airplanes -- perhaps an old fashioned hijacking with political demands -- and they let it happen, to make use of it politically, as they certainly have. But I do wish you guys in the 9/11 Truth Movement luck; if you succeed in proving that it was an inside job, that would do more to topple the empire than anything I have ever written.

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The Anti-Empire Report
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January 13, 2008
by William Blum
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Some further thought re the 9/11 truth movement
When I say, as I did in last month's report, that I don't think that 9-11 was an "inside job", it's not because I believe that men like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, et al. are not morally depraved enough to carry out such a monstrous act; these men each has a piece missing, a piece that's shaped like a social conscience; they consciously and directly instigated the current Iraqi and Afghanistan horrors which have already cost many more American lives than were lost on 9/11, not to mention more than a million Iraqis and Afghans who dearly wanted to remain amongst the living. In the Gulf War of 1991, Cheney and other American leaders purposely destroyed electricity-generating plants, water-pumping systems, and sewage systems in Iraq, then imposed sanctions upon the country making the repair of the infrastructure extremely difficult. Then, after twelve years, when the Iraqi people had performed the heroic task of getting these systems working fairly well again, the US bombers came back to inflict devastating damage to them all once more. My books and many others document one major crime against humanity after another by our America once so dear and cherished.

So it's not the moral question that makes me doubt the inside-job scenario. It's the logistics of it all -- the incredible complexity of arranging it all so that it would work and not be wholly and transparently unbelievable. That and the gross overkill -- they didn't need to destroy or smash up ALL those buildings and planes and people. One of the twin towers killing more than a thousand would certainly have been enough to sell the War on Terror, the Patriot Act, and Homeland Security. The American people are not such a hard sell. They really yearn to be true believers. Look how they scream hysterically over Hillary and Obama.

To win over people like me, the 9/11 truth people need to present a scenario that makes the logistics reasonably plausible. They might start by trying to answer questions like these: Did planes actually hit the towers and the Pentagon and crash in Pennsylvania? Were these the same four United Airline and American Airline planes that took off from Boston and Newark? At the time of collision, were they being piloted by people or by remote control? If people, who were these people?

Also, why did building 7 collapse? If it was purposely demolished -- why? All the reasons I've read so far I find not very credible. As to the films of the towers and building 7 collapsing, which make it appear that this had to be the result of controlled demolitions -- I agree, it does indeed look that way. But what do I know? I'm no expert. It's not like I've seen, in person or on film, numerous examples of buildings collapsing due to controlled demolition and numerous other examples of buildings collapsing due to planes crashing into them, so I could make an intelligent distinction. We are told by the 9/11 truth people that no building constructed like the towers has ever collapsed due to fire. But how about fire plus a full-size, loaded airplane smashing into it? How many examples of that do we have?

But there's one argument those who support the official version use against the skeptics that I would question. It's the argument that if the government planned the operation there would have to have been many people in on the plot, and surely by now one of them would have talked and the mainstream media would have reported their stories. But in fact a number of firemen, the buildings' janitor, and others have testified to hearing many explosions in the towers some time after the planes crashed, supporting the theory of planted explosives. But scarce little of this has made it to the media. Likewise, following the JFK assassination at least two men came forward afterward and identified themselves as being one of the three "tramps" on the grassy knoll in Dallas. So what happened? The mainstream media ignored them both. I know of them only because the tabloid press ran their stories. One of the men was the father of actor Woody Harrelson.
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Postby ninakat » Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:48 pm

StarmanSkye wrote:Considering Blum's deeply principled scholarship and writing what are arguably critically important, noteable books, dismissing him as an 'idiot' shows the same kind of intolerant self-obsorbed dogmatism of those who unquestionably accept the official 911 explanation.


Intolerant I am, yes, especially when someone with "deeply principled scholarship and writing" can't even take the time to delve past the obvious disinfo (no planes hitting WTC, for example).

You'd think I was somebody important with influence, judging by the reaction to my name calling of Blum here. FWIW, I'm just an anonymous guy reading stuff and posting comments on the internets.

William Blum probably really is a genius just like Noam Chomsky. I do respect their work, but when I see an absurd statement, I'm going to challenge it. I'm sorry I resorted to what some might consider an ad hominem attack, but at least I explained why. So, I'm sorry if I ruffled feathers here in the forum.

But I have to admit that I get sick and tired of scholars of high repute with letters behind their names who can't see the bleeding obvious. Hugh is probably correct that "William Blum has so far been distracted by disinfo and hasn't been shown the proofs of 9/11 as an inside job." But it boggles the mind that he hasn't been able to separate the wheat from the chaff on 9/11, given his expertise.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:09 pm

More of the same tired framing/shaping of the question, making it
"was 9/11 a neocon/Cheney inside job!" or "was it blowback and incompetence?", or "done by Osama, allowed to happen". I laugh at all that stuff.

If academics, liberal heros, etc cant seem to see past the incompetence/blowback meme, there's no help. It's the ultimate litmus test for the human mind.

Theres endless people who "believe" in conspiracies...government coverups, staged terror, coast to coast xfiles stuff...but when it comes to 9/11, their little minds cant seem to grasp that 9/11 was a setup beyond "al Qaeda"

Why is it noone asks the real deep questions of: Who controls Islamic terrorism?
9/11 "Truth" has been stripped of the very pandora's box that exposes the deep politics of the very elite who control the planet through war, fear, globalism, etc: "global jihad".

Truthers and "9/11 was merely blowback/incompetence" people dont seem to realize that Islamic terrorism is a proxy puppet pretext of the global elite.

9/11 was an nwojob...al Qaeda is nwo, puppeteered by the same forces who control the Western corporate and political powers. All connected through the financial heart of the nwo, Dubai in the UAE

I do consider myself somewhat of an expert on 9/11, and get flack from the truthers for "not focusing on the physical evidence, and focusing on the connections of Islamic terror", and crap from the left/right who buys the official story for asserting that al Qaeda isnt an independent group

For people who say "Islamic terror? What about MI6 and CIA staged events?" Well I can easily mention countless terror attacks since 1976 which have the hand of CIA, MI6, Mossad, ISI, etc.

The people who talk all day about "false flags" dont realize that in a lot of cases: the young jihadist with a bomb is all too willing to blow themselves up, and is too ignorant to realize who he's being puppeteered by.

I would love to see some *real* 9/11 discussions...but it seems like those who are more on my realm of thinking with the nuts and bolts of *REAL* 9/11 investigative facts and connections, and not cherry picked "PULL IT!"
random truther garbage have long quit.
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Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:16 pm

Nordic wrote:Yeah, right, it's up to us to conduct a $50 million investigation, with subpoena power, to find out what actually happened.

The entire POINT of the truth movement is to ask quesitons, not answer them.

To me, people like this are being so obvious. An intelligent person ou can't miss the point by that wide of a margin without having an agenda of their own.

And the agenda is to shut down the truth movement, and making them all seem like a bunch of nuts who are just making shit up. "You can't prove that" is a not-so-subtle way of saying "you're just making that up".

No, we are not making up anything. We are pointing out anomalies, contradictions, evidence, in short we are pointing out legitimate REASONS why there should be a real investigation.

Hey look, here's a reason: The U.S. government spent more money chasing Bill Clinton's come stains than they did (by FAR!) investigating the worst attack on U.S. soil in american history.

So right there -- something is seriously wrong with THAT picture.

And here's another one -- the people who actually conducted the investigation say they were set up to fail, and that a lot of people have things to hide about that day, and that a great deal of evidence never made it to them because of their staff members culling it out.

Those two reasons ALONE are reason enough for a new, and REAL investigation.

Is that "proof" enough for your sorry ass, William Blum?


Do you ever find it strange that for some reason, questioning 9/11 or the Afghanistan invasion morality is off limits, and taboo for the average American liberal? The folks so up in arms against the "evil neocons" and corporate war powers?

Poll most liberals, and they think 9/11 was this Chomsky like "incompetence and blowback", and "Afghanistan was a just invasion, Iraq was horrible tho!!!"

There won't be a new investigation of 9/11.

And its made harder by the fact the 9/11 spell still is lock stock in most folk's minds. Researching/asking questions about 9/11? Thats like holocaust denial man! Hey but its ok to research and question the Iraq war. People truly are sheep, because their construct of how they see things is completely shaped.

To me, I cannot see how a thinking person can honestly believe there are no unanswered questions about 9/11. When a liberal dare calls someone a "conspiracy theorist" in regards to that person's views on 9/11, I cannot help but picture the ultimate kettle calling the teakettle black scenario.

I sometimes talk in broad generalizations of groups of folks, but I can't help but make observations.

Average truther: 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB BY CHENEY! WTC7 MAN!
Wheres the plane at the pentagon? READ THE PNAC! Northwoods man! Wake up idiots!

Average liberal: 9/11 was done by Osama, after years of the US meddling in foreign affairs. A communication wall and bungling, mixed with egos lead to mass incompetence...if there is a coverup, its too coverup gross failures

Average Bushlover: We need to invade the middle east, so we dont get 9/11'd again!
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Re: William Blum on the 9/11 Truth Movement

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:22 pm

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ninakat wrote:Howdy a11235813, and welcome to the board.


Thanks ninakat. Been a lurker for quite a while, except for posting some links to stuff folks on the board may find interesting. I've wanted to start contributing to the discussion for quite some time, but my limited knowledge of deep/para politics (I'm from India) means that I am still in learning mode.


Welcome! Para-deep politics is most definately the real life Matrix/What the Bleep do We Know.

American Dream wrote:Bill Blum is very aware of the reality ofcovert operations, but in this case he is holding out for evidence and logic, which is quite literally a reasonable thing to do. In this sense, he represents many ordinary people who have not been swayed by the 9/11 Truth Movement- a veritable "swing vote" consituency. If indeed that movement has been hurt by misinformationists and disinformationists, then we need to look at that, and take appropriate measures...



I guess Bill Blum isnt aware of Ali Mohamed, Melvin Lattimore, Luai Sakra, Saudi GID, Omar al Boyoumi, Omar Saeed, Mohammed Zammar, Marmoun Darkalazani, Abu Hamza, Hambali, Whalid el Hage, Ptech, Yassin al Qadi, al Kifah Refugee Center, Tatex Trading, Pakistani ISI, General Mahmoud Ahmad, FBI agent Robert Wright, FBI agent Harry Samit, etc etc etc

Its very simple. The 9/11 hijacker responsibilities were divided up amongst Pakistani ISI, Saudi GID, German BND/CIA, CIA/Malaysian authorities, FBI informants, corporate shell companies and other channels.

Its not this monolithic "inside job=Cheney and neocons" scenario; given 9/11 can trace back to the late 80's, and definately by the mid 90's

What people NEED to realize is that Ramzi Yousef, KSM NOR ANY "Muslim" came up with the WTC as a target/planes into buildings meme.
al Qaeda was the gun, but who was the hand and the brains?
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