Cloverfield

[IanEye]

Yes, subliminal embeds like that are used frequently as psy-ops to take advantage of the brain's tendency to notice juxtapositions that match known objects.

Party at ground zero
A "B" movie starring you
And the world will turn to flowing
Pink vapor stew

Johnny, go get your gun, for the commies are in our hemisphere today
Ivan, go fly your MIG, for the Yankee imperialists have come to play
Johnny goes to Sally's house to kiss her goodbye
But Daddy says to spend the night
They make love 'till the early morning light
For tomorrow Johnny goes to fight
Johnny, Ivan, Ian, everybody come along for our nations need new heroes
Time to sing a new war song

Party at ground zero
A "B" movie starring you
And the world will turn to flowing
Pink vapor stew

Please do not fear 'cause Fishbone is here to say (say what?)
Just have a good time the stop sign is far away
The toilet has flushed and green lights are a ghost
And drop drills will be extinct
Speedracer cloud has come
They know not what they've done
Sin has just won
The planet is a crumb

Party at ground zero
A "B" movie starring you
And the world will turn to flowing
Pink vapor stew

Fishbone - 1985

[orz]

But since you mentioned KH, the 'Cloverfield' character's name of "Hud" is significant and those naughty Coen brothers made 'The Hudsucker Proxy' back when H.U.D. was under investigation for 'sucking' $59 billion dollars which, according to congressional staffers, went to the CIA 'proxies' that Catherine Austin Fitts was targeted by.

Oh please.

[elfismiles]

Cloverfield Cellphotos the Destruction of NYC
Posted by: Loren Coleman on January 17th, 2008
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cloverfield/

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You may have missed the earliest trailers, but the first one I saw was overusing the name of the main character, “Robert Hawkins.” But soon, there was a big problem with that.

As it turns out, the same week the trailers began screening at theaters was the same week that a real Robert Hawkins was in the news. Robert Hawkins is the name of the 19-year-old shooter who killed 8, then himself, at the mall in Omaha, on December 5, 2007. Ooops. (And some people think I make this “name game” stuff up.)

I’ve seen the Cloverfield trailers since then, and the “Robert Hawkins” references have been dropped. Sure “Rob” is still in ‘em, but no more “Robert Hawkins.” I wonder if they changed the name of the character in their post-production edits too?

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Cloverfield Cellphotos the Destruction of NYC
Posted by: Loren Coleman on January 17th, 2008
http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cloverfield/

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You may have missed the earliest trailers, but the first one I saw was overusing the name of the main character, “Robert Hawkins.” But soon, there was a big problem with that.

As it turns out, the same week the trailers began screening at theaters was the same week that a real Robert Hawkins was in the news. Robert Hawkins is the name of the 19-year-old shooter who killed 8, then himself, at the mall in Omaha, on December 5, 2007. Ooops. (And some people think I make this “name game” stuff up.)

I’ve seen the Cloverfield trailers since then, and the “Robert Hawkins” references have been dropped. Sure “Rob” is still in ‘em, but no more “Robert Hawkins.” I wonder if they changed the name of the character in their post-production edits too?

Yes, the "name game" is central to psy-ops theater.

'Cloverfield's' Hawkins is supposed to be a good fighting guy young recruitables can identitfy with, saving their women and cities from evil-doers.

Then the mall shooter make the name that of a bad guy...but reinforces the theme of 'threat to der homeland' so the film doesn't get pulled as 'The Manchurian Candidate' was after JFK was shot.

The most obvious embedded definition in the lead name "Hawkins" is HAWK, also a nickname for militarists in contrast to DOVE, a nickname for anti-war factions.

The Vietnam War era came to be described as a competition between 'the hawks and the doves' in the US government and citizenry which led to Disney (CIA for Kidz!)
producing the 1969 Oscar-winning animation short called 'It's Tough to be a Bird' which suggests to kidz! that it is better to be the predator than the prey just as the anti-Vietnam War movement is getting into high gear.

Notice the implied threat of being in a cat's jaws and the strength of the red-white-and-blue American eagle. This is all about Vietnam, not birds.
(Hard to find a good poster image)







Note Disney-CIA's image of everyday birds in competition as sports team names, the "name game" and implied themes.

Hence, "Robert Hawkins."
This could be described as a keyword hijacking in the form of embedded anthropomorphism.

So 'Cloverfield' exists in a soci-historical context, not a vacuum.
It is about 9/11which is all about military recruiting, not just a stupid horror film.

[professorpan]

Chew...bacca...the....wookie. "Chew tobacco, rookie."

That is, hands down, one of the most hilariously insane things you've ever written.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Chew...bacca...the....wookie. "Chew tobacco, rookie."

That is, hands down, one of the most hilariously insane things you've ever written.

Pan scoffs with no rationale to back him up, again. Cheap glyphs.

Pan-
>Do you claim that 'Star Wars' and the slogan "May the Force Be With You" have no post-Vietnam psy-ops significance?

Do you deny the embed in Obi-Wan Kenobi of "Obey, one can obey?"

Do you deny that it is no coincidence that the Lockheed 104 Starfighter which was known as the Widowmaker, suddenly became the Starfighter that saved the universe?

Lucas and Spielberg are carrying the torch for the old WWII Office of War Information.

And 'Chewbacca the wookie' has homonym embeds, too.

[IanEye]

Chew...bacca...the....wookie. "Chew tobacco, rookie."

That is, hands down, one of the most hilariously insane things you've ever written.

no, no, Pan. Hugh is onto something. Most star Wars fans are obese nerds who deliver pizzas.

Jabba The Hut

Ja... ba... the... Hut "Job at the Hut"

[professorpan]

Yes, IanEye, I see what you're saying.

But we shouldn't forget that many Star Wars fans are also chronic masturbators.

Han Solo... Han(d) solo...

And they want to "lay-a princess," right?

My God... it's ALL TRUE!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Chew...bacca...the....wookie. "Chew tobacco, rookie."

That is, hands down, one of the most hilariously insane things you've ever written.

no, no, Pan. Hugh is onto something. Most star Wars fans are obese nerds who deliver pizzas.

Jabba The Hut

Ja... ba... the... Hut "Job at the Hut"

You are correct.
You might've been joking on me but the theme of rejecting menial labor for the Honor and Glory of the Exciting Army is also a common recruiting theme.

So associating Job-a with the grossest thing on the screen fits this subliminal homonym embed device.

Women and pregnancy are used to herd young men into camo.
Menial labor is used to herd young men into camo.
Being a 'nobody' is used to herd young men into camo.
Adventure, glory, and religious morality are used to herd young men into camo.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Yes, IanEye, I see what you're saying.

But we shouldn't forget that many Star Wars fans are also chronic masturbators.

Han Solo... Han(d) solo...

And they want to "lay-a princess," right?

My God... it's ALL TRUE!

Not about masturbation, about being an autonomous conquering single guy, not 'tied down' to a wife and child.

Napoleon Solo - Man from U.N.C.L.E.
Han Solo - Star Wars
Same message.

And yes, "Princess Leia" suggests the abbreviated function women might play for the Solo man in camo. Women might be claimed as prizes or earned through service to the state which comes first.

Gender identity is the primary social identity and role-models and stereotypes that feed military recruiting are deployed constantly.

[professorpan]

Hmmm... the last time I watched Star Wars, the Empire was a militaristic, fascistic, corrupt occupying force, and the good guys were a reaction to that oppressive entity. Or haven't you actually watched the movie, Hugh?

In fact, Lucas has talked about the political content in the films. But, of course, he is a liar . . . right?

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/new ... ucas_x.htm

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What is the political context of the director's Star Wars, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, which premiered at the Cannes Film Festival Sunday?

Since screenings began last month at Lucas' Skywalker Ranch, people have been discussing parallels between the final film in Lucas' six-film Star Wars saga and current political events.

Meeting the press, Lucas said any similarities were purely historical.

"This was written during the Vietnam War and Nixon era, when the issue was how a democracy turns itself over to a dictator — not how a dictator takes over a democracy," he said.

Sith opens in the USA at midnight Wednesday. Critics have applied the politics of the saga to presidential administrations from Ronald Reagan to George W. Bush.

Lucas said that a long time ago in a galaxy far away, he had read some history and wondered why, after going to the trouble of killing Caesar, the Roman Senate turned things over to his equally power-hungry nephew, Augustus Caesar? Or that after a revolution, France turned next to Napoleon, a dictator?

That's what fueled the entire Star Wars saga, Lucas said. "It seems to happen the same way every time: There are threats, and a democratic body, the Senate, is not able to function properly."

Pushed further on the current Internet chat about the war in Sith being akin to the current Iraqi war, Lucas said, "When I wrote this, Iraq didn't exist. We were just funding Saddam Hussein and giving him weapons of mass destruction."

But, he added, "the parallels between Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable."

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Yeah, that really sounds like a guy who is intent on creating homonyms to get kids to chew tobacco and join the army.

[IanEye]

Yes, IanEye, I see what you're saying.

But we shouldn't forget that many Star Wars fans are also chronic masturbators.

Han Solo... Han(d) solo...

well, to be fair I have been known to "Poggle the Lesser" from time to time myself.....

[professorpan]

http://atheism.about.com/b/2005/06/02/c ... -lucas.htm

Conservative Boycott of George Lucas

Some conservatives are seeing a critique of George W. Bush in George Lucas' final Star Wars film and, as a result, are calling for a boycott. I'm not sure whether it's more amusing or depressing - should such people be laughed at or should we just mourn the death of their ability to reason coherently?

In The Guardian, John Sutherland writes:

As they see it, the movie is anti-Bush. Particular exception is taken to the scene in which Chancellor Palpatine persuades the Senate to suspend democratic freedoms and elect him emperor for life. "So this is how liberty dies?" muses Senator Amidala (Democrat, Planet THX).

For a long time Lucas was in bad odour with military veterans. He began work on the original Star Wars in 1971, when his beard was black and made a political statement. So did his film. He shaped Star Wars as anti-Vietnam allegory. When the movie came out, in 1977, the guerrilla Han Solo could be seen, by those with eyes to see, as Vietcong without the black pyjamas. Moff Tarkin and his planet destroyers were General Westmoreland (waste more land) and his technoweapon imperialists.
People are seeing what they want to see — or, perhaps more accurately in this case, they are seeing what they are afraid to see. All of the lines in the movie that people are complaining about are critical of authoritarianism generally. To see such critiques as applying to George Bush is to express a fear that Bush can reasonably be regarded as moving in an authoritarian direction.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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In fact, Lucas has talked about the political content in the films. But, of course, he is a liar . . . right?

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Yes, he is a liar. ('Cloverfield,' like 'Star Wars,' exists in a social context.)

It ain't 'Star Peace.'
It's called...Star...Wars.

Same them as 'Cloverfield' and all recruting movies-
Young Men Fighting Evil With Force.

How do movie images, keywords, and role-models affect CHILDREN?
How does the brain work at ages 2-14?
That's what is critical to see in these movies, not college grad adult analysis about General Westmoreland.

What are the sanctioned behaviors?
What are the gender role models?
What are the subliminal messages in titles and names?
Does any of this mirror scandals that might be cover-up up by the idealized narrative?

'Star Wars' has done much to re-institutionalize militarism in American youth since the Vietnam War using cool space weapons to replace the not-so-cool cowboys'n'injuns theme of the John Wayne era regardless of 'conservative criticisms' or what Lucas claims.

'Star Wars' conditioned American kidz before SDI was unveiled, offensive scam that it is.
This is the same prep Disney has been doing to keep kidz from being jolted into pacifisim by each newly revealed military technology.

2007 Rose Bowl Parade Honors 30th Anniversay of Star Wars
(Star Wars constructions were in US Post Offices this year, too.)

[IanEye]

How do movie images, keywords, and role-models affect CHILDREN?
How does the brain work at ages 2-14?
That's what is critical to see in these movies, not college grad adult analysis about General Westmoreland.

What are the sanctioned behaviors?
What are the gender role models?
What are the subliminal messages in titles and names?
Does any of this mirror scandals that might be cover-up up by the idealized narrative?

The most offensive thing about you is your utter disdain for humanity. You view humans as so weak that they would fall for this bullshit.

I just know too many individuals who played with Star Wars action figures as children, who then put them away as adults and now work very hard against fascism.

I just know too many individuals who played with Barbie dolls as children, who then put them away as adults and now work very hard against sexism.

I just know too many human beings, children and adults, who are far stronger than you ever give them credit for. Your vision is one of Humanity losing, always failing, always victims.

Humanity is full of wonderful individuals.

Hugh Manatee Wins is a truly ugly mask, covering the face of a pathetic loser.

Fuck off.