Cloverfield

[FourthBase]

So most people don't know what the agenda is behind the products they push. Most.
Some do. Like Spielberg and Lucas and all those industry honchos Karl Rove met with after 9/11.

That the same meeting Spike Jonze attended? Or a different one?

But many many many know they are creating product, not art, in an INDUSTRY that pollutes the collective American mind.

True, but many are desperately trying to make art using the industry, still.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

ASoF comes through! THANK YOU!
Here's what I bloody well missed in ASoF's post way back up thread! (whew)

The name of a NYC memorial in Central Park in this 9/11 movie is "Cloverfields."
Why?

Because their are TWO "monstrous" events that happened in NYC that are problematic for the USG and CIA specifically.

Besides 9/11, the obvious, there is the assassination of peace icon, John Lennon, an event which led to creating a memorial in Central Park called..."Strawberry Fields."
But now this movie makes it into "Cloverfields." A very easy image transition and one that can be easily confused.

The killing of John Lennon by a possible Manchurian Candidate since Lennon had a huge FBI file and was monitored is a much more likely mnemonic entry path into CIA assassinations for the MTV youth demographic than the political assassinations.

So Strawberry Fields memorial becomes Cloverfields memorial to something else "monstrous" besides the USG.

This is what you were trying to refer to, ASoF. Thanks for this.
(Less kerfuffle, more of your good info, ok?)

And the use of project codenames is very spook-style, innit?
Like alot of Hollywood work of creating compelling narratives that are transmitted culturally using profit as the carrier wave for...other things.

AHA! Notice that the film's director DID NOT say anything about this CLOVERFIELD Central Park memorial in that interview I scoffed at!

So I was right. He's a fucking liar. Ahem-have to point that out.

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Film productions sometimes use codenames during their development or production in lieu of a title. Two examples that I can think of is the "Doctor Who" television show that used the title "Torchwood" to mask its production. The name was then used for the spinoff TV series. The second example was back when "Return of the Jedi" was filming on location in Yuma, Arizona. The production referred to the film as "Blue Harvest" to try and mask the fact that it was the new Star Wars movie.

"Cloverfield" was the title of the production during its development and shooting. At various times Paramount considered giving the movie the title of "1-18-08" or "Monstrous".

Within the context of the movie itself it is described in the film's opening that the tape recovered (which is the movie as it's filmed first-hand by a camera operator) was found in a location formerly known as Central Park and now designated "Cloverfield". The reason for this change of names is not given in the movie.

I also suspect that the makers went with the "Cloverfield" title to try and get the audience that wouldn't go see a movie named after a monster like "Godzilla".

[FourthBase]

Hugh...

Can you ever just use the subjunctive when the declarative is as of yet unwarranted? Why do you always switch from one premature declarative pronouncement to the next? Is it an aesthetic style, like we're supposed to imagine your declarations as might-as-well-be hypotheticals? I really don't get it. It sucks, if it's just you continually turning every inch into a foot.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Hugh...

Can you ever just use the subjunctive when the declarative is as of yet unwarranted? Why do you always switch from one premature declarative pronouncement to the next? Is it an aesthetic style, like we're supposed to imagine your declarations as might-as-well-be hypotheticals?

Well put. I'm doing deciphering and detecting and take an aggressive approach to problems. "This is what they've hidden!"

It focuses others on either confirming or debunking without waffling.

If others aren't interested or know better, that is indicated.

[FourthBase]

Hugh...

Can you ever just use the subjunctive when the declarative is as of yet unwarranted? Why do you always switch from one premature declarative pronouncement to the next? Is it an aesthetic style, like we're supposed to imagine your declarations as might-as-well-be hypotheticals?

Well put. I'm doing deciphering and detecting and take an aggressive approach to problems. "This is what they've hidden!"

It focuses others on either confirming or debunking without waffling.

If others aren't interested or know better, that is indicated.

Errr...you might want to consider that strategy. I think it is backfiring, it has turned off most of the people who find you unbearable and has sometimes made you sound...well, insane. You're, um, sabotaging yourself and your theories with that approach.

You should try what I do and couch your statements in modifiers as precisely as you can to avoid understatements, overstatements, and misstatements. And use the freaking subjunctive, because that's all intuition and speculation gives you the intellectual right to use.

[Hilda Martinez]

Back to the name of the film, when I first heard the word "Cloverfield" I had images come to mind of a little girl in a pink dress chasing butterflies in a meadow. I wonder if the title is to invoke a "this isn't right" sort of feeling, juxtaposing innocence with horror.

As has been stated earlier, the name of the film is referenced as an area in the former Central Park. How far in the future the video was supposedly discovered we don't know. Just like the monster, we don't know what happened exactly and if we are still battling the monster in the future. Is the monster still out there? We don't know. Kind of like The Terrorists, no?

One thing to note about the film is that in its first week "Cloverfield" grossed almost $50 million. That's substantial and notable. The movie is having an impact. Hugh, I think you should see it.

I thought of the movie when I saw the latest Barack Obama commercial on TV. The first scene we see him in a classroom and the first screen shot he is sitting next to a chalkboard. There is a picture of the Statue of Liberty drawn on the board. And this Miss Liberty still has her head.

[MinM]

3:10 to Yuma is taken from an Elmore Leonard short story.

That Elmore Leonard -- should have known he was one of THEM.

A writer who generates useful devices will be given a career by "THEM."
That is, both people making money on product and people promoting psy-ops in product, two distasteful treats in one.

Yes, I noted his career of shoot-em-up westerns and the like going back to the mid-1950s.
Bold masculine action titles for movies of the same. Perfect Warrior Culture props.

Be Cool
Desperado
Killshot
Stick
Gunsights
Swag
Pronto

Seems to me that many of the Cold War propaganda themes are back to get recruits for the PNAC rerun of the movie Hitler was starring in.

Many Vietnam veterans said in interviews I've read that they got their ideas about war growing up on John Wayne movies .

Edward R. Morrow pointed out in 1958 that TV had become just a big western shoot-em-up and it horrified him.

Guess he was left out of the social engineering loop and kept on as a WWII news credibility prop and, therefore, a psy-ops device himself...

Having had an appreciation for most of Elmore Leonard's work it was a little disheartening hearing him on the radio recently. Elmore was on a station in his hometown of Detroit promoting his latest project when apropos of nothing he complains about a woman using food stamps at the local Kroger.

I've heard him in other interviews and read other stories about him so I don't doubt that he does his own grocery shopping. The 'Kroger' story itself though sounded suspiciously like one of those apocryphal emails that my in-laws and right wing acquaintances tend to get. The gist of the story was that Elmore thought the lady was dressed a bit too nice and/or drove a car that someone on food stamps shouldn't have.

BTW below are links to the book he was promoting and a possible story idea for the show that he based that book on, Justified:

March 2, 2012 at 1:00 am

Feds: Cocaine mule, 87, a key link in Mexico-Detroit drug trade
* By Robert Snell
* The Detroit News

Detroit— The most powerful drug cartel in Mexico pumped up to 660 pounds of cocaine into Metro Detroit each month since 2008, prosecutors said Thursday.

Federal drug investigators dismantled the alleged pipeline by charging 18 people in a massive drug conspiracy in U.S. District Court. The indictment provides new details on an unusual drug case involving an octogenarian alleged drug mule and a powerful international narcotics ring.

"Shedding light on this conspiracy makes it quite clear that the Mexican drug cartels are open for business right here in our backyard," U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration Special Agent in Charge Robert Corso said.

The lead defendant is an 87-year-old mutton-chopped man from Michigan City, Ind., who made a colorful appearance in federal court last fall. That man, Leo Sharp, told The News he was forced at gunpoint to deliver cocaine across the country.

The indictment, unsealed Thursday, alleges otherwise.

He's worked as a drug mule since 2009 and is responsible for delivering about 670 kilograms of cocaine to Michigan — or almost 1,500 pounds, according to court records.

"Any conviction in this case will be a death sentence," for Sharp, his lawyer Darryl Goldberg of Chicago said. "It's a very serious case but I intend to aggressively defend him."

The drug organization described in the indictment is part of the Sinaloa Cartel based in Sinaloa, Mexico, according to investigators.

Sharp is a world-renowned horticulturalist and owner of a 46-acre farm where he grows 168 registered varieties of daylilies.

The drug organization that used Sharp to transport cocaine also relied on members from Michigan, Mexico, Florida and California, according to prosecutors.

Since 2011, the DEA and other investigators have seized more than 200 kilograms of cocaine and more than $2.5 million cash.

Drug shipments entered the U.S. at the Mexican border in Arizona before being driven to Michigan. Members met at a warehouse in Wyandotte. The cocaine was unloaded and distributed to members of the drug ring, according to the indictment.

Members returned to the warehouse with cash from drug deals. The money was loaded into vehicles and driven back to the Mexican border.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... d|mostview

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