I am JFK's love child, B.C. man says

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I am JFK's love child, B.C. man says

Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:31 am

I am JFK's love child, B.C. man says

MARSHA LEDERMAN
From Monday's Globe and Mail
February 11, 2008 at 2:00 AM EST

The man who American journalists are investigating as the possible illegitimate son of John F. Kennedy lives in British Columbia and bears a striking resemblance to the 35th president of the United States.

So much so, that people will sometimes stop him on the street.

“Not in a funny way, but in a scary way,” the man named Jack said during a meeting Saturday morning.

Jack, who has asked that his full identity not be revealed at this time, approached The Globe and Mail on Friday after the newspaper ran an article about the possible existence of a John F. Kennedy love child living in Vancouver. Wary that he would become the subject of a media hunt to discover his identity, he said he chose to come forward.

“The story was out and I thought that it might be best to approach you directly rather than have people make guesses, assumptions,” he said.

First word of the tale came Thursday in the New York Post.

The tabloid reported in its popular Page Six gossip column that Vanity Fair magazine had been working on a story about an illegitimate child of Mr. Kennedy, now living in Vancouver. The Post said Vanity Fair had decided not to publish the story after contacting the office of Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy (the late president's brother), but would run the article once it had proof – such as a DNA match.

Jack, clearly keen for DNA tests to be undertaken, is asking Kennedy family members to provide samples.

“Vanity Fair needs help. We need JFK DNA and, barring that, DNA from any male Kennedy directly related to Joe Kennedy [JFK's father], either in the U.S. or Ireland [for a Y chromosome analysis],” Jack read from a prepared statement on Friday.

He is asking that the DNA samples be sent to David Friend, the Vanity Fair journalist who has been working on the story. “I think their prudence is warranted,” Jack said of Mr. Friend and Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, who is from Ottawa. He described them as “top-notch journalists” and “people of integrity.”

Jack is tall, slim, with a freckled complexion, hazel eyes, and thick reddish-brown hair, parted on the left, swept across his forehead. He has perfectly straight teeth – Kennedy teeth one might be tempted to say. Sitting across from him, the term “boyish” comes to mind.

He appeared well-heeled, dressed in brown leather shoes and a preppy white-shirt/grey V-neck sweater combination under a charcoal blazer, paired with blue pants. He wore a smart wool coat, purchased overseas. If his clothing is any indication, he is a man of some means.

“Perfectly fine,” was how he described his financial situation. He works in business, has international connections, but would not elaborate.


He insists he is not going public for the money.

“I told Vanity Fair that I would sign an agreement with the Kennedys immediately, in which I agree not to pursue any financial remuneration from the JFK estate whatsoever.”

So is he coming forward? Or did Vanity Fair find him? He would not say. But he hinted there is a more to the situation than tawdry details.

“This isn't a story about the fairly silly, trivial ‘discovery of JFK's illegitimate son,'” he stated on Friday, “although it appears that way.” He said the information he will reveal could have a “potentially profound impact.”

Jack said he never met John F. Kennedy, although they shared some time on this earth, before President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Jack declined to give his age for the record, but the New York Post reported he is in his late 40s.

“I had a fantastic father-son relationship with the man who raised me,” Jack said, describing his childhood as “idyllic.” He would not say anything about his mother, described by the New York Post as being a Texan.

Jack, who said he moved recently to British Columbia, grew up and was educated in the United States and remains an American citizen. He said his wife is Canadian. There are children, he said, adding: “I know that the in-laws are fired up that we're here.”

British Columbia, he said, is a good place for his family to be – especially now. “I feel good here. I feel safe here. I feel nice here.”

He said that security – as well as privacy – is a concern and that security staff have been hired to look after him and his family. Given the Kennedy family history, he is nervous. When asked how he reacts when told by strangers that he bears a strong resemblance to JFK, he said: “Smile. Go on. Watch over my shoulder.”

He said he is agonizing about what his outing will do to his family and others, and that he was not prepared to deal with that just yet. He said he had expected the information to come out in Vanity Fair, eventually, and was co-operating with the publication, but had thought he would have some notice, and an opportunity to prepare – both himself and those in his life. The surprise story in the New York Post last Thursday threw him for a loop, and the subsequent media attention has made him “uneasy.”

He is also concerned about “stealing the thunder” from Vanity Fair, which has been working on the story for about 18 months. “They've done a lot of work, so I'd like to respect Graydon Carter and David Friend's effort as much as I can.”

Jack said he did not cast a ballot in the recent Super Tuesday primaries, adding that he is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. “I couldn't imagine my mind being hijacked by dogma like that,” he said.

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Postby sunny » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:12 pm

This is very interesting, made more so by his portentiously cryptic pronouncements:

“This isn't a story about the fairly silly, trivial ‘discovery of JFK's illegitimate son,'” he stated on Friday, “although it appears that way.” He said the information he will reveal could have a “potentially profound impact.”


Whatever could he mean? Could it have something to do with who his mother is? How would that have a profound impact, no matter who it is? What other information could he have been privy to?

British Columbia, he said, is a good place for his family to be – especially now. “I feel good here. I feel safe here. I feel nice here.”


Was he doing something in the US that made him feel not-nice?
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Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:30 pm

sunny wrote:This is very interesting, made more so by his portentiously cryptic pronouncements:


"Potentially profound impact" seems a very strange remark, even if he's simply hyping his story. But that he appears to be secretive, well-established and with international connections suggests that's not what he's doing. Curious.
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45th Anniversary piffle.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:39 pm

:roll:

There are some great articles about how the discrediting and disinfo is reinforced and piled on during these assassination anniversary marker years.

Recommended-
'The Posthumous Assassination of John F. Kennedy' by James DiEugenio.

Part I-
http://www.ctka.net/pr997-jfk.html

Part II-
http://www.ctka.net/pr1197-jfk.html

UFO disinfo author, Nick Redfern, just added lots of dung to the pile in his 2007 spew called 'Celebrity Secrets: Government Files on the Rich and Famous.'
He tied JFK, Marilyn Monroe, and Dorothy Kilgallen to....UFOs! Woooo.....

Coincidently, Redfern also discredited the idea of...using keywords as psy-ops...on page 2 of his festering disinfo book. Right up front. Nice to be noticed. 8)
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Postby jingofever » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:40 pm

“This isn't a story about the fairly silly, trivial ‘discovery of JFK's illegitimate son,'” he stated on Friday, “although it appears that way.” He said the information he will reveal could have a “potentially profound impact.”


Maybe he was born after 1963. (I should say after early September 1964)
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Postby streeb » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:41 pm

Yep, very interesting. But as Lisa Pease warned, disinformation season is upon us, and the philandering JFK meme has made for an extremely successful distraction for a long time now.
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Re: 45th Anniversary piffle.

Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:48 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:UFO disinfo author, Nick Redfern


I think your rote arguments suffer by your passing off taste as a god-like passing of judgment.
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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:56 pm

I think your rote arguments suffer by your passing off taste as a god-like passing of judgment.


Really.

But what's worse is the automatic labeling of anyone Hugh doesn't disagree with as a disinfo peddler. That's just lazy and mean.
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Re: Redfern's JFK disinfo

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:59 pm

Jeff wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:UFO disinfo author, Nick Redfern


I think your rote arguments suffer by your passing off taste as a god-like passing of judgment.


:shock: Well, people do love their aliens.

But are you saying that Nick Redfern's credibility is a matter of "taste?"
His 'Celebrity Secrets' crap is typical government spew.

His mention on Dorothy Kilgallen ties her to dying for UFOs, not her interview with Jack Ruby and the JFK case.
CIA says "thanks, Nick!"

His bit on John Lennon portrays Lennon as a probable sponsor of IRA terrorism.
MI5 says "thanks, Nick!" CIA says "thanks, Nick!"

http://www.nickredfern.com/bio.htm

NICK REDFERN

Born:
1964.

Education:
Pelsall Comprehensive School, Pelsall, West Midlands, England, 1976-1981.

WORK HISTORY:

1982-1984:
Employed as a staff-writer for Zero - a British Magazine on rock music and fashion.

1984-2001:
Worked as a freelance feature-writer/journalist for the following British Newspapaers: the London Daily Express; the People; the Western Daily Press; the Express & Star; and the Planet on Sunday (as a full time feature writer).

1996-2001:
Worked as a freelance journalist for the folling magazines in Britan: The Weekender (a monthly newsstand magazine on fashion news, the world of entertainment, music and lifestyles); Animals, Animals, Animals (a monthly, newsstand magazine for children on animals); Pet Reptile (a monthly newsstand magazine for reptile enthusiasts); Military Illustrated (a monthly, Anglo-American, newsstand publication on military history); Eye Spy (a monthly, Anglo-American newsstand magazine on the subject of espionage); The Unopened Files (a bi-monthly, newsstand magazine on espionage); The XFactor (a bi-weekly, newsstand magazine on unsolved mysteries); UFO Magazine (a monthly newsstand magazine on UFO's); Alien Encounters (amonthly, newsstand magazine on UFO's).

1997:
A Covert Agenda: The British Government's UFO Top Secrets Exposed
Published by: Simon & Schuster, London
Book Author: Nick Redfern
This book was published in the UK, Canada, Russia, Poland, Austrailia, New Zealand and Portugal.

1998:
The FBI Files: The FBI's UFO Top Secrets Exposed
Published by: Simon & Schuster, London
Book Author: Nick Redfern
This book was published in the UK, Canada, Russia, Poland, Austrailia, New Zealand and Portugal.

2000:
Cosmic Crashes: The incedible Story Of The UFO's The Fell To Earth
Published by: Simon & Schuster, London
Book Author: Nick Redfern
This book was published in the UK, Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand and Portugal.

2001 - To Date:
NIck Redfern has run the U.S. Office of the brittish-based Center for Fortean Zoology, the world's only full time orginization dedicated to ivestigating mystery animals such as Bigfoot, Lake Monsters, the Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster.

2003:
Strange Secrets: Real Government Files on The Unknown.
Published by: Simon & Schuster, New York
Book Author: Nick Redfern

2004:
Three Men Seeking Monsters: Six Weeks In Persuit of Werewolves, Lake Monsters, Giant Cats, Ghostly Devil Dogs, and Ape-Men.
Published by: Simon & Schuster, New York
Book Author: NIck Redfern
Paraview, New York, published a first-time US Edition of Nick Redfern's book
A Covert Agenda

2005:
June 2005
Body Snatchers In The Desert: The Horrible Truth at the Heart of the Roswell Story.
Published by: Simon & Schuster, New York
Book Author: Nick Redfern
NIck continues to write in a regular freelance capacity for the London Daily Express newspaper, UFO Magazine; and Fate Magazine.

2006:
On the Trail of the Saucer Spies: UFO's and Government Surveillance
Published by: Anomalist Books, New York
Book Author: Nick Redfern

2007:
Celebrity Secrets: Government Files on the Rich and Famous
Published by: Simon & Schuster, New York
Book Author: Nick Redfern
In July 2007, Nick’s book Man-Monkey: In Search of the British Bigfoot was published by CFZ Press; and New Page Books published Nick's Memoirs of a Monster Hunter in September.

Consultancy Research:
Nick Redfern has undertaken freelance research in a consultant capacity to the world of entertainment since 2001. He has worked as a consultant to various TV production companies, including (a) Mentorn TV of Britain; (b) Red Star Films of Canada; and (c) the United States’ Sci-Fi Channel.

Nick worked for 12 months as the co-editor of the newsstand magazine Phenomena. He has had widespread experience of editing articles for length, clarity, grammar and punctuation to the high levels required for, and expected by, newsstand publications. He has also ghostwritten and edited a number of published books for authors.

He has also worked full-time as a consultant to several authors, conducting research on their behalf.

TV/lecture/media appearances:
Nick has appeared on more than 60 TV shows to promote his books and his research. In the late summer of 2004 he traveled to Puerto Rico for two weeks with a film team from the Sci-Fi Channel’s series, Proof Positive, to make a documentary about the Chupacabras. He appeared on the MSNBC show Countdown with Keith Olbermann on February 9, 2005. He also traveled to Puerto Rico in September 2005 to make a show about the Chupacabras for Canada’s Space Channel. He has lectured at a variety of conferences, including the Laughlin UFO Congress (in 1998 and 2001); the Mutual UFO Network Conference in 2004; the Aztec UFO Conference in 2003; the Texas Bigfoot Research Conference in 2004; at numerous events for the British-based UFO Magazine between 1997 and 2000 (now closed); and at the UFO Crash Retrieval Conference in Las Vegas (in 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006).
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Postby Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:09 pm

Tell me, Hugh, that you have actually read one of Redfern's books. An article?

If you ever put aside your broad brush and compulsive need to disparage, I bet you'd actually find much to agree with, even if you were to stand pat on UFOs=woo-woo/disinfo. On the Trail of the Saucer Spies and Body Snatchers in the Desert especially.

FWIW, I just happened to pick up his latest on the weekend, Memoirs of a Monster Hunter.

Your dogma tunes out a lot of good signal, mistaking it for noise.
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Yes, I've read Redfern.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:27 pm

Jeff wrote:Tell me, Hugh, that you have actually read one of Redfern's books. An article?


I actually spent money on 'Celebrity Secrets' to see what his deal was.
It was disinfo. Every...single...chapter.

If you ever put aside your broad brush and compulsive need to disparage, I bet you'd actually find much to agree with, even if you were to stand pat on UFOs=woo-woo/disinfo. On the Trail of the Saucer Spies and Body Snatchers in the Desert especially.


I disparage bullshit peddlers like Nick Redfern who tell us Lennon might've been a terrorist and tell us that what we need to know about Jimi Hendrix was that he masturbated.

Your dogma tunes out a lot of good signal, mistaking it for noise.


I know I ain't perfect but Redfern's signal-to-noise ratio is much much worse than you think mine is.

What you call "dogma"is the result of researching psy-ops for as many waking hours per day as possible since 9/11 and I looked at Redfern's output. That wasn't being "lazy and mean," Pan. Redfern's an opportunistic deceiver with signs of professional deceiver, too.

Back to op: This is disinfo season for all three big political assassinations of the 1960s and subsequent cover-ups, too. JFK's sex life has been the easiest topic to virally market and will continue to be.

Excellent investigator Lisa Pease ripped PBS's recent JFK disinfo film by Robert Stone (no, not Oliver Stone, Robert Stone. Might that be a keyword hijacking? :roll:
Pardon my "dogma.")

http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/

Thursday, January 17, 2008
Oswald's Ghost? The truth is HERE, Alex Beam.
Alex Beam wrote a column yesterday that shows the poverty of knowledge in the anti-conspiracy press. He's discussing that propaganda coup "Oswald's Ghost," a masterfully presented, if wildly underinformed special on the Kennedy Assassination.

Beam, who obviously knows little about the case, finds the special persuasive. It doesn't occur to him that the special was a deliberately one-sided presentation designed to try to persuade conspiracy believers that there was no conspiracy.

How do I know he knows little about the case? Because he can write this:

Monday night U.S. public television aired "Oswald's Ghost," an elegantly crafted, 90-minute obituary for the conspiracy theories surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy. On the one hand, filmmaker Robert Stone reports that about 70 percent of Americans still disbelieve the official investigation into Kennedy's killing. Veteran conspiracy jockey Mark Lane crows that, unlike the major networks and editorial boards of The Washington Post and The New York Times, "I have been right all along" about the plot to kill Kennedy.

But a more impressive roster of experts, including Norman Mailer, Priscilla MacMillan, and Todd Gitlin, has arrived at a different conclusion. Edward Jay Epstein, who has criticized the official Warren Report on the assassination, now thinks there was no anti-JFK conspiracy. "As we cover decade after decade, not a shred has come out that would indicate what this conspiracy was," Epstein says. "After 40 years none of the theories pan out."


Does Beam really not know that he just used three CIA favorites and one guy who admittedly didn't follow the minutia of the case to rebut the notion that the CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination?

>snip<

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I knew it!

Postby norton ash » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:33 pm

I knew it! JFK fucked my ma. (She wishes.)

It's actually a deep RC sacrament, but the alcoholism and womanizing bit of the DNA is really tiring.
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Postby orz » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:36 pm

What you call "dogma"is the result of researching psy-ops for as many waking hours per day as possible since 9/11

That doesn't sound healthy.
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Postby professorpan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:37 pm

I know I ain't perfect but Redfern's signal-to-noise ratio is much much worse than you think mine is.


I doubt that.

Regardless, can you imagine that Redfern might just be someone who actually BELIEVES what he writes, and isn't intentionally spreading disinformation? That he might have different filters than you, or different interests, blind spots, and biases?

You scream "disinfo!" any time someone doesn't parrot your version of reality. And that, dear manatee, is lazy and mean.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:44 pm

professorpan wrote:.....
Regardless, can you imagine that Redfern might just be someone who actually BELIEVES what he writes, and isn't intentionally spreading disinformation?
......


Yes, I can. That's why I scrutinized 'Celebrity Secrets' to see if I could discern if there was deliberate intent to mislead or just misguided woo-ster-ism as entertainment.

It is deliberate statist disinfo from start to finish with all the scandals that are commonly known totally omitted, minimized, or skewed in absurd ways, like tying Dorothy Kilgallen's death to UFOs instead of to Jack Ruby and Dealey Plaza.

But then since you've read 'Celebrity Secrets,' you know the details of this book, right Pan?
:P

Isn't it a remarkable...coincidence...that pages 2 and 3 discredit the idea of using...keywords as psy-ops?

Gosh! :roll: But since you've read the book you knew that. But why didn't you jump all over me for it? Unless you hadn't. And unless maybe Redfern doth protest too much.
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