Do you even know what 'coincidence' MEANS?!?
Usually that's a good first step before using a word ironically.
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by orz » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:58 pm
by nomo » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:05 pm
by isachar » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:14 pm
sunny wrote:This is very interesting, made more so by his portentiously cryptic pronouncements:“This isn't a story about the fairly silly, trivial ‘discovery of JFK's illegitimate son,'” he stated on Friday, “although it appears that way.” He said the information he will reveal could have a “potentially profound impact.”
Whatever could he mean? Could it have something to do with who his mother is? How would that have a profound impact, no matter who it is? What other information could he have been privy to?British Columbia, he said, is a good place for his family to be – especially now. “I feel good here. I feel safe here. I feel nice here.”
Was he doing something in the US that made him feel not-nice?
by Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:15 pm
nomo wrote:Cut Hugh some slack. How do YOU feel when someone insults John Lennon and Jimi Hendrix like that?
by Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:17 pm
by Jeff » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:31 pm
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Most likely reason for this 'lovechild' diversion's timing-
by IanEye » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:31 pm
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Excellent investigator Lisa Pease ripped PBS's recent JFK disinfo film by Robert Stone (no, not Oliver Stone, Robert Stone. Might that be a keyword hijacking?
Pardon my "dogma.")
by Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:03 pm
Jeff wrote:I am JFK's love child, B.C. man says
MARSHA LEDERMAN
From Monday's Globe and Mail
February 11, 2008 at 2:00 AM EST
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The tabloid reported in its popular Page Six gossip column that Vanity Fair magazine had been working on a story about an illegitimate child of Mr. Kennedy, now living in Vancouver.
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He is asking that the DNA samples be sent to David Friend, the Vanity Fair journalist who has been working on the story. “I think their prudence is warranted,” Jack said of Mr. Friend and Vanity Fair editor Graydon Carter, who is from Ottawa. He described them as “top-notch journalists” and “people of integrity.”
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The surprise story in the New York Post last Thursday threw him for a loop, and the subsequent media attention has made him “uneasy.”
He is also concerned about “stealing the thunder” from Vanity Fair, which has been working on the story for about 18 months. “They've done a lot of work, so I'd like to respect Graydon Carter and David Friend's effort as much as I can.”
Jack said he did not cast a ballot in the recent Super Tuesday primaries, adding that he is neither a Democrat nor a Republican. “I couldn't imagine my mind being hijacked by dogma like that,” he said.
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Analyzing the Photos of 9/11
The cover photo on the new book "Watching the World Change: The Stories Behind the Images from 9/11-9/17, 2001" (Picador, 464 pages with a 24-page color isnert, $17) is both familiar and, in its composition and intensity, jarring.
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To David Friend, 52, the book's author - who has spent most of his decades-long professional life taking pictures, getting other people in position to take pictures, and trying to make sense of the photos once they are taken - the images were among the most important, and impactful, he has ever seen.
"What this really is is a chronicle, hour by hour, day by day, of what we saw that week," says Friend in a phone interview from his home in New Rochelle, New York, where he lives with his wife and twin college-age son and daughter. "The book is telling the stories of the pictures we all shared. There were 2.5 billion people - one third of the human race - who saw these pictures on that day, on TV, in the newspaper, or on the Internet. We were all connected to that same picture story."
Friend, who is Vanity Fair magazine's editor of creative development, will speak on Wednesday, September 5, at Monroe Public Library, 4 Municipal Plaza, Monroe, at 7 p.m. It is one of the first stops on a national book tour that will last through November.
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Friend has a long history in photojournalism. In the 1990s he was the director of photojournalism for Life magazine, and he had worked as a correspondent/photographer in places like Lebanon and Afghanistan for many different publications. After the September 11 attacks, he served as executive producer for the CBS-TV documentary "9/11," for which he earned Emmy, Peabody, and Christopher Awards in 2002.
January 31, 2008
NEW DISH ON THE COMMISH
Now come charges, supposedly laid out in the forthcoming book by respected Times journalist Philip Shenon, The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation, that during the 9/11 Commission’s machinations, its executive director, Philip Zelikow, kept up back-channel communications with Karl Rove. Please check out the alarming report at this link to Washington Decoded.
When it comes to the 9/11 Commission, as Sontag and others have posited about photographs: Nothing shocks us any more. In 2004, historian Ben DeMott had already laid out, in a scathing Harper’s piece, that the report was, on balance, a “whitewash.” And I point fingers in Watching the World Change, insisting that the commission proved toothless in the end by making recommendations that were half-measures and by refusing to bring charges against Bush administration officials who were derelict of duty: “[Where is] the culpability of Congress, which, through its bipartisan 9/11 Commission, ended up letting the executive branch off the hook despite systemic, catastrophic lapses”? (page 242)
My main worry, though, is that Shenon’s revelations, once they gain momentum (as they surely will in the coming days) will give the 9/11 Truthies/Truthers/Truthists all the more ammo, further taking everyone’s eyes off the main target (that bull's-eye being al Qaeda, as many tend to forget - not the Bush administration, despite its infinitely inexcusable ineptitude).
As an editor, Friend broke the “Deep Throat” story in 2005, revealing that Mark Felt was Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein’s secret Watergate source.
by sunny » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:15 pm
by DrVolin » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:54 pm
by Hugh Manatee Wins » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:29 pm
DrVolin wrote:Ok, the Stone Felt Friend connection is freaky. There's certainly something to it. We'll have to wait until the other shoe drops (the profound impact info) to decide which side that network is backing this time around. Don't forget that this further Kennedy revelation comes on the heels of the Kennedy endorsements.
by Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:06 am
IanEye wrote:Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Excellent investigator Lisa Pease ripped PBS's recent JFK disinfo film by Robert Stone (no, not Oliver Stone, Robert Stone. Might that be a keyword hijacking?
Pardon my "dogma.")
Hugh, I always laugh when you bring up the Stone/Stone reference, because in college I had a professor who was annoyed by the reverse confusion.
I took a college writing course around ’86 where the prof had us read “Dog Soldiers” by Robert Stone. The novel takes place during the Vietnam War, and meanwhile Oliver Stone’s film "Platoon" had just come out. Occasionally, someone in class when talking about “Dog Soldiers” would refer to the author as Oliver Stone and the prof would get kind of pissed off about that.
Oh, by the way, this is a different Robert Stone than the one who made the Oswald doc…..
by Jeff » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:56 am
DrVolin wrote:Don't forget that this further Kennedy revelation comes on the heels of the Kennedy endorsements.
by 8bitagent » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:04 am
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Most likely reason for this 'lovechild' diversion's timing-
Famous US mercenary, Gerry Patrick Hemming, just died.
Hemming and CIA ambush expert, Lucien Conein, appear to have been photographed standing near each other in Dealey Plaza as JFK was being ambushed.
(Hmm. My usual links of that famous photo are now "under construction.")
"In the Altgens picture showing the limousine turning onto Houston Street, standing close to the man resembling Mr. Hemming, is someone who looked like Lucien Conein."
Here's Lucien Conein-
isachar wrote:sunny wrote:This is very interesting, made more so by his portentiously cryptic pronouncements:“This isn't a story about the fairly silly, trivial ‘discovery of JFK's illegitimate son,'” he stated on Friday, “although it appears that way.” He said the information he will reveal could have a “potentially profound impact.”
Whatever could he mean? Could it have something to do with who his mother is? How would that have a profound impact, no matter who it is? What other information could he have been privy to?British Columbia, he said, is a good place for his family to be – especially now. “I feel good here. I feel safe here. I feel nice here.”
Was he doing something in the US that made him feel not-nice?
Three additional pieces of info about 'Jack' from Canadian press reports:
1) his mother was from Texas
2) she was introduced to JFK by LBJ (when not given)
3) she's still alive.
I always wondered what bait LBJ used to entice JFK to the Dallas kill zone.
Some additional assassination insight found here:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwallaceM.htm
Jeff wrote:DrVolin wrote:Don't forget that this further Kennedy revelation comes on the heels of the Kennedy endorsements.
There is a pattern of character assassination following upon assassination revelations, but I don't think this fits that pattern. Is Obama a threat to America's Deep Government, or is he being styled as one, so the criminal enterprise can continue uninterrupted under a fresh-faced hands-off CEO?
Two other things: I don't see how, in this day, revelation of a "love child" can be regarded as character assassination. And assassination research is not aided by Kennedy/Camelot hagiography. We should want to keep it real, even if that means acknowledging JFK wasn't exactly monogamous.
by 8bitagent » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:13 am
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Tabloids are notorious spook venues for feeding bottom scraping disinfo into the mainstream.
Confirming a clear link between the terrorists targeting America and the South Florida company hit by anthrax cases, the FBI said Sunday that the Sun tabloid editor's wife rented a Delray Beach apartment to two of the hijackers.
The Sun is part of the American Media Inc. tabloid chain, and it employed photo editor Bob Stevens, who died this month from inhalation anthrax. Two other AMI employees were exposed, and five more are being retested to confirm positive blood test results.
Sun editor Michael Irish's wife, Gloria, rented unit 1504 at the Delray Racquet Club to Marwan Alshehhi and Saeed Alghamdi this summer, said FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela.
Alshehhi was aboard United Airlines Flight 175, the second jet to strike the World Trade Center. Alghamdi was on United Flight 93, which crashed 80 miles southeast of Pittsburgh when passengers apparently thwarted an attempt to target another building.
"There is now a link between the editor's wife and the terrorists," Orihuela said.
But just as quickly, she said the FBI wasn't drawing immediate conclusions.
"It's just a coincidence right now," Orihuela said. "I'm sure there will be some sort of follow-up."
"We are not searching the apartment at this time," Orihuela said from outside the tabloid's Boca Raton headquarters. "We are focusing on this building."
The Delray apartment is central to a massive federal investigation into the terrorist attacks. Investigators trying to piece the puzzle together created a diagram that includes photos of the 19 hijackers who seized control of four airplanes on Sept. 11.
At the center of the diagram, which was obtained by the Miami Herald: an image of a house with the address 755 Dotterel Road. Arrows connect nine of the hijackers to the icon.
Two terrorists, Alshehhi and Alghamdi, rented the apartment in Delray Beach just north of Boca Raton, the FBI said. The other seven, including suspected ringleader Mohamed Atta, are connected because they visited the apartment or otherwise had a direct tie to the inhabitants, a federal official familiar with the investigation told the Miami Herald.
Previously, only Saeed Alghamdi and another terrorist, Ahmed Alnami, both aboard United Flight 93, had been connected to the Delray Racquet Club apartment.
It is clear that the apartment was a meeting ground for terrorists, authorities say. Now they must determine whether unit 1504 was also a hatching ground for the anthrax attacks.
Gloria Irish, the wife of tabloid editor Michael Irish, was approached by reporters Sunday afternoon while walking her black Labrador retriever outside her Delray Beach home.
"I can't believe you people," said Irish, who works for Pelican Properties. "We are not making any comments."
Mike Irish, who, records show, is a licensed airplane pilot, several years ago was a member of the Civil Air Patrol based at a small-plane airport in Lantana, just north of Delray Beach, an official there told the Washington Post. One of the hijackers, Atta, reportedly rented a plane at that airport to practice flying for three days in August. Stevens, the Sun photo editor who died of anthrax Oct. 5, also lives in Lantana. But there is no indication whether Irish or Stevens ever crossed paths with Atta.
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