If David Icke's "reptilian humanoid" routine is a

[philipacentaur]

I learned of an old saying just recently. Namely , that you shouldnt force your knowledge on others.

I must thank you both, for contextualising that statement.

And thank you for mentioning Icke (and things Icke-y) in a majority of your posts here. It's not the sole reason for me starting this thread, but it sure has helped with my motivation.

Nobody's forcing anything here. You just can't back up your points or even make a clear assertion.

[orz]

Welcome people to the "trash David Icke thread"

Thanks, glad to be here.

You guys are a hoot. Seriously.

Glad to give you amusement. After all life must be pretty lacking in humour for someone who could take someone as silly as Ike seriously.

Joking aside, it's a case of "ask a silly question..." If you constantly allude to Ike's reptillians being literally real, and then when questioned about it just post a load of holier-than-though innuendo rather than factually backing up such a massive leap of logic, then expect to be ridiculed.

Like i said it's the usual self-destructive urge of so many 'deep politics' fans. They've made up their mind and would rather bask in the egotistical martyrdom of being misunderstood by the dumb "sheeple," than modify their behaviour in such a way that people could actually understand and benefit from their ideas and information.

[slimmouse]

I learned of an old saying just recently. Namely , that you shouldnt force your knowledge on others.

I must thank you both, for contextualising that statement.

And thank you for mentioning Icke (and things Icke-y) in a majority of your posts here. It's not the sole reason for me starting this thread, but it sure has helped with my motivation.

Nobody's forcing anything here. You just can't back up your points or even make a clear assertion.

Philip my Dear,

You have your opinions and I have mine.

I dont need David Icke to back up mine.

I just find it really strange that Icke is dismissed by people on here as "a nutter", when, personally speaking, myself, an honours graduate, wouldnt have even got close to looking at this "lunatic" site, had it not been for David Icke.

That might not vibe with you, but I find that fascinating.

I guess Im just kind of conspiracy ( shape shifting nutcase believer) theorist.

[orz]

I just find it really strange that Icke is dismissed by people on here as "a nutter", when, personally speaking, myself, an honours graduate, wouldnt have even got close to looking at this "lunatic" site, had it not been for David Icke.

Why is that strange?

Is it not possible for him to be a nutter and for you to have also got into RI and other sensible alternate ideas via his work?

Is it not possible that many people could get into it without reading his stuff at all, and would be much better off because they would never have an emotional attachment to the flawed material that first got them into the "conspiracy theory" fan scene?

What is strange is the fact that you're implying that your presence here posting about reptillian aliens being real is proof that Ike should not be dismissed as a "nutter". Where's the logic there?

Also, "you have your opinions and I have mine" doesn't really cut it when your "opinion" is that the world is run by shapeshifting reptile-men.

[8bitagent]

I originally thought Icke was disinfo and nutty, but the more you look into all the world's issues and nexus points...well, as the BBC special was titled: "Was David Icke Right?". His coast to coast radio interview on September 19th 2001 was one of the most prophetic radio interviews Ive heard.

I think hes a kind genuine man, he doesnt have some mean spirited intention, and I like his snarky sense of humor.

Oh yeah, to me it's obvious what he's talking about with the "Reptillian" thing....

Hey, Tomatoes, To-Mahtoes right? Some call it Burma, others Myanmar...but its still an evil country destroying Buddhists.
To me thats the "Reptillian" label.

but I digress, as I dont want to be accused of promoting evangelical Christian doctrine.

[Nordic]

So, Phillip "Centaur", why the fuck did you even start this thread? Just to demonstrate over and over again what an antagonistic asshole you are? Lately you've been dominating these discussions with nothing but antagonism and bullshit.

This entire thread is nothing but bait to get somebody to respond so you can pick a fight with them.

Go chill out and come back some time after you're back on your meds.

Prick.

[philipacentaur]

So, Phillip "Centaur", why the fuck did you even start this thread? Just to demonstrate over and over again what an antagonistic asshole you are? Lately you've been dominating these discussions with nothing but antagonism and bullshit.

This entire thread is nothing but bait to get somebody to respond so you can pick a fight with them.

Go chill out and come back some time after you're back on your meds.

Prick.

Well, I didn't start this thread to talk about me, that's for sure. Lately, I took a short break from posting but decided to come back for a bit just to piss you off. Thanks for noticing.

No meds, but I am out of smokes. Good catch.

Calmer than you are.

[on edit: smokes obtained]

[8bitagent]

If David Icke flat out had been using the word "Satanic" and "evil spiritual heirarchies" instead of "shape shifting lizardmen reptiles from alpha dimension 4" I wonder if people would be less prone to laugh?

[philipacentaur]

If David Icke flat out had been using the word "Satanic" and "evil spiritual heirarchies" instead of "shape shifting lizardmen reptiles from alpha dimension 4" I wonder if people would be less prone to laugh?

I don't think it's funny at all, but if he did opt for those terms the discussion would be a bit different. He would probably also blend into an extant genre of propaganda too much for anyone to even notice.

[barracuda]

The reptillians are all wet. It's the bird-people we have to worry about.

[NaturalMystik]

Sorry I don't mean to get involved in a battle here and at the risk of being flamed I thought I'd throw my two cents in...

It seems like the deeper you go down the rabbit hole you will eventually come across David Icke. A few years ago I came across hours of video, "Secrets of the Matrix". It had nothing to do with Neo

I gotta say it sure got me thinking... He's quite a charismatic and compelling story teller. If you get over the whole shocking aspect to his theories, a lot of what he says can make a whole lot of sense. If you can accept the fact that we may live in a matrix like existence, it's not necessarily a big leap to accept the theory of reptilian overlords. Yeah I know how crazy that sounds... The biggest discredit to his work is that he stands to make a lot of money off his videos and books. But on the flip side why shouldn't he be able to work the law of attraction to his favour? I guess that's a whole other conversation. Is he getting your money, or my money? Doubtfull, but it's flowing in one way or another, even though essentially his media is pretty much available to world for free online. Living the life of a soothsayer, the money has gotta come in somehow.

At this point I'm filing Icke away as a potential player, and his reptilian theories a more remote possibility. For me mythology is the best evidence for this to be, which isn't really much. A couple of days ago I was doing some research on reptilians and found the reptilian wiki page. There were some interesting world mythologies regarding reptiliods. But no surprise Icke still seems to be one of only a few major movers in these theories... Another player seems to be John Rhodes, but I don't know anything about him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid

[Joe Hillshoist]

For what its worth Credo Mutwa was an apartheid apologist who was nearly killed, and possibly his son was, because of it.

I've met plenty of people who would qualify as shaman or clever men or whatever and I don't trust him or what he says.

I have a soft spot for Icke because he wrote: "Another Cocaine Snorting Liar in the White House." On top of his website in Nov 2000.

But even if he is being metaphorical he (and referring to humans reptillian nature, ie cold blooded, snakelike nastiness, not Jews) still reipped off V and does a piss poor job of explaining his metaphor.

He often has good information on things, as do many others, but once he's used that info it becomes tainted with Ickiness.

As in "Oh the reptillian shape shifter guy said that.

Then it must be true."

[teamdaemon]

I think that Icke is spun out from the one time he took ayahuasca. It really isn't that difficult to believe that nazis look like lizards when you are tripping face.

[philipacentaur]

Good points, J. Apartheid apologist? Sheesh.

Anyway, the real point of this thread is the question of whether Icke is guilty of what he accuses others of doing. If it's a metaphor (and it is, unless proof is provided, which it's not) then he's constructing and exploiting a belief system to spread propaganda. It doesn't matter if he believes it -- a lot of tyrants, cult leaders and scam artists believe their own bullshit. Also, I think the point about the V television series is a good thing to bring up, because it reminds me of Al Bielek and the whole Philadelphia Experiment film angle (*spits on Charles Berlitz's grave*) that he's gone and grafted into the "Montauk Project" mythos.

But, I do have compassion and not just bile. I don't like feeling pity for people, and that's what I feel for Icke, Bielek, et al.

[theeKultleeder]

Icke is a nutter, but I would have him around my circle's campfire.