Will the Real Whitley Strieber Please Stand Up?

[Joe Hillshoist]

That could be argued I'm sure, but one of Aeolus' big points is that in order to come to grips with this alien presence it is necessary to tear away our old thinking habits.

None of us here has done that; I am sure because to do so would render one incapable of functioning "normally." If Streiber is attempting to do this, and it sounds like he is, even if by incomplete spurts, then he would naturally appear somewhat unhinged.

I came to terms (my own) with that presence years ago, in many of its forms, and quite frankly if you can't continue to "live normally" afterward then you haven't come to terms with it.

Sure changing "old thinking habits" regularly is a good thing.

BUT

We are alive, here on earth and we won't be forever. The earth here and now is where the primary sphere of our lives takes place. Its this mortal coil that has to in better shape when we leave it, dealing with aliens or spirits or anything means nothing if you can't translate it into practical action. Its hard enough leaving the world in better shape if you don't experience these things too.

And to be honest any attempt to pass on this information that doesn't involve face to face conversations and relationships with people that last over years is fraught.

[Moya]

A couple of months ago I was laying in bed, eyes open and seemingly awake when the room started shaking, as if there was a diesel engine pressed up against the wall behind me. Suddenly a blinding light came through the window, and I could only move my head and eyes. It hit me that this is the usual prelude to an alien abduction report, so I had better brace myself for total anal destruction. The window suddenly disappeared and I began hearing voices and movement in the white void left behind. I was ready to see aliens but instead two men climbed through, one black, one white. The black guy said to the white guy "Be sure to take the computer, and make sure he's out" and walked through the door into the rest of the house. The white guy, spray bottle of ether in his hand looks at me. I look back. We stare at each other for about 10 seconds, me trying to play unconscious, him nervously eyeing me for signs of awareness that he's obviously not expecting, carefully moving his ether bottle to not disturb me. His eyes widen with shock and then everything flashed back to normal in my bedroom and I'm laying in bed, head raised, eyes open.

If this would have happened to Whitley Streiber, he would have padded out the story and written a book about how the men in black used alien technology in an attempt to ransack his home, yet his connection with the angelic forces from his initiation into a secret society protected him from the invasion.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

....and those, like many here, discerning enough to smell a rat....

Or a pack of them.....

[Et in Arcadia ego]

....and those, like many here, discerning enough to smell a rat....

Or a pack of them.....

Indeed. Looks like some interesting times are on the way again here.

Check your PM box, btw.

[t-an]

Moya, you said:

If this would have happened to Whitley Streiber, he would have padded out the story and written a book about how the men in black used alien technology in an attempt to ransack his home, yet his connection with the angelic forces from his initiation into a secret society protected him from the invasion.

I think you're right. A give-a-way to most of these people such as Strieber is that they capitalize on every single thought-seeded meme going round and round the net. And seek to build a cosmology around their own particular experiences, and based on them being special.

I don't doubt Strieber's first book and what he told of his experiences. But his interpretation on them (everything that came after) come from a man way over his head, who doesn't have the grace to come to terms with one single thing.

He's about as ept a mouth-piece for disseminating information on ET as TPTB could hope for. He has offered no valuable information on ET, none that hasn't already infiltrated the woo-woo crowd and he's provided a whole host of dubious metaphor and image by which others can unthinkingly frame their own experiences in.

I agree quite fully with Lilypat. Martin Cannon comes far closer to the truth in the majority of cases.
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[8bitagent]

What we need is the grand-unified-conspiracy-theory-castanada/streiber/icke/psychadaellia-fictionalization-EGG/911ritual-MI/Occult-Complex-dirtymoney/drugwar-disinfo-PSYOPS-NLP-Gnomes-from-the-fourth-dimension Forum...

In my crazy view, it's all connected.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

What we need is the grand-unified-conspiracy-theory-castanada/streiber/icke/psychadaellia-fictionalization-EGG/911ritual-MI/Occult-Complex-dirtymoney/drugwar-disinfo-PSYOPS-NLP-Gnomes-from-the-fourth-dimension Forum...

In my crazy view, it's all connected.

Not crazy 8 bit, just "paranoidally aware"....

[8bitagent]

I look at Whitley in the same controversial manner as say...Cathy O'Brien.

*clearly* something profound and bizarre happened to both, but how much of their story and their own perception of those events is a true account?

What we need is the grand-unified-conspiracy-theory-castanada/streiber/icke/psychadaellia-fictionalization-EGG/911ritual-MI/Occult-Complex-dirtymoney/drugwar-disinfo-PSYOPS-NLP-Gnomes-from-the-fourth-dimension Forum...

In my crazy view, it's all connected.

Not crazy 8 bit, just "paranoidally aware"....

Heh...well put me in the deep para-geo-politics and pro progressive column of paranoidally aware than the UN-black helicopter-chemtrail-ZOG end of the spectrum;)

[timetunneler]

“We are part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extra-terrestrial invasion so as not to alarm us.”
—Terence McKenna

Yeah, the "something" is called Foreign and Domestic Intelligence Agencies and their purpose is to hide themselves behind veils and lies while they rape you of your money and send it on up to the top.

[Aeolus Kephas]

Yeah, the "something" is called Foreign and Domestic Intelligence Agencies and their purpose is to hide themselves behind veils and lies while they rape you of your money and send it on up to the top.

they must be time tunnelers too then, since this Event has been occurring through all recorded history, back to Atlantis and beyond.

D'oh!

[professorpan]

Yeah, the "something" is called Foreign and Domestic Intelligence Agencies and their purpose is to hide themselves behind veils and lies while they rape you of your money and send it on up to the top.

I can see why some people buy into that scenario, but I don't think the evidence supports it.

[lunarose]

per A. K.:

'With people like Strieber and Icke, the problem is less in the errors or blinds, but in the tendency to literalize Imaginal truths. I don't think it's even necessarily a case of anyone trying to distort the truth or mix it with lies, but that the act of pinning truth down at all distorts it.'

i can't tell you how much i agree. in my opinion, so much of the discussion of 'out there' realms is basicaly useless due to people 'literalizing imaginal truths', as you said, and then a) deciding since the incident 'obviously couldn't happen literally that way' that the recounter is lying, or b) deciding that since it was 'obviously imaginal' it wasn't true (ie. there is no such thing as the imaginal realm).

a lot of people like to grasp onto the 'military disinfo' theme and apply it all over the place because they feel like they've figured it all out and its the usual bad guys............i've found that that's a piece of the puzzle, but only a piece.......certain psyops have been been straightforwardly proven as such, its reasonable to conclude that those same fingerprints would show up in all cases if all were psyops, and they don't.

[Brighid_Moon]

What LunaRose said. Exactly. And it's such a mixture that it's hard to discern the wheat from the chaff. I, myself, see the entire Whitley scenario as such a mix.

Also: the MPD thing re: Whitley; no proof, but highly speculative due to his history and his reactions to things. MPD does not make one insane, but it surely does make it appear as that to other people at times. Between the possiblity of that, and as Aeolus pointed out that Whitley is attempting to balance or make sense of these (unknown, sometimes frightening) things, one can only conclude Whitley a highly unstable personality.

My own opinion: if someone isn't sure what they're dealing with, and they admit it, it's their choice to do with it what they will, and highly irresponsible to drag others blindly into their "tests" when they admit that there are definite dangers. Aeolus correctly points out that these things ("aliens", whatever you want to call them) have been going on throughout history. I should like to point out that what Whitley has been attempting, through his meditations and such, has also been tried and used throughout history, under many different names and beleifs, and the outcomes are not always to the benefit of those involved. And before someone points out that I am against trying anything, allow me to reassure them that I am not against attempting anything, I'm only against attempting things with people who are not trained, not aware of what they may be getting into, and not capable of being responsible for what they may be doing in the long run. I am against irresponsibility, and against dragging innocent people into dangerous situations.

[Aeolus Kephas]

it ought to be pointed out with Whitley that he really seems to believe that humanity is about to go extinct (and he may be right), and that this "extinction event," as he calls it, is part of some sort of evolutionary consciousness shift and/or DNA mutation, in which the "visitors" are intimately involved. Since he can hardly help but feel "chosen" by them to spread their message, or alternatively, compelled to warn us about them (he apparently can't make up his mind which), he may also feel that he has been given the task of saving the species. It's easy to dismiss this as delusion, but not necesarily productive. After all, if even half of what he recounts is "true" (ie, what he believes happened), how many among us WOULDN'T end up feeling like potential messiahs?

The reason I mention this is because Strieber's aim as artist/mythmaker may be less political than religious: he may be paving the way for a relationship between humans and the Imaginal beings (real or not, yellow, gray, or translucent white) on a large scale.

If tomorrow the govt announced, "Yes, the aliens are real, sorry about that folks, we were trying to protect you," etc, etc, how many people in the resulting perceptual chaos would turn to Strieber for guidance? I'd say a fair few (it would certainly help his book sales!). Maybe this is what he is holding out for, and if so, it would also be precisley why the intell. people would have their hooks in him, WHETHER OR NOT HE KNOWS IT?

[8bitagent]

So strange there's still para-politic researchers who think all UFO sightings/contactee/abductee cases are all "military black budget psyops"

Or hallucinations, swamp gas, etc.

The UFO/contactee/abductee phenomenon IS a massive psyops...

just not by the "government/military" or "aliens"