New photo up on The Johnny Gosch Foundation site

[shefner]

Gunderson is part of the reason I have for not taking DeCamp seriously.

I can understand that but have you read Gunderson's Report? I thought he made sense at that time. But recently, I think he's lost it.

Much of what he has revealed concerning MKUltra, etc, can be verified as truth. Some of it is quite frightening. I think he's seen so much that he's starting to come unglued.

I'm not sure how big a part he played in DeCamp's invesigation. DeCamp's closest association was Bonacci. Bonacci's testimony in court, as well as other interviews, is remarkable. Three different psychiatrists have examined him and found him to be credible. That says alot to me.

If you go to you-tube, you can view Gunderson interviewing Bonacci in what he calls a "debriefing." It is divided in three parts, if I recall correctly, and can be sorta cheesy because its not that professional (phone interruptions and Gunderson's irritating interview style). I think the interview is actually conducted prior to Bonacci's court appearance (but I might have that wrong). If you've not viewed it, its worth watching. You will actually see Bonacci identify photos of some state politicians, etc. I think it helped me to see that he was telling the truth.

If you view them, let me know what ya think....

[shefner]

Gunderson is part of the reason I have for not taking DeCamp seriously.

That and the links to Rense. How do you not expect people to take your site for Infotainment when it links to Rense.

You see, I think that's why the big dogs don't care....they know people won't take this crap seriously. And Rense and the like are the only ones who are willing to listen....I mean, get real, they'll listen to anything, right?

Its only when the mainstream starts listening that they get worried.....

How is it that a prostitute can sleep with a politician and its all we see on tv night and day and yet we know that politicians are having sex with kids, but the mainstream looks the other way? Not just politicians, but teachers, priests, day care workers, etc. Its just unpleasant. Its not what we want to see or accept is happening.

[chiggerbit]

shefner, may I ask you a really personal question? How old are you? Please, just google Gunderson, go way back, ok?

[shefner]

shefner, may I ask you a really personal question? How old are you? Please, just google Gunderson, go way back, ok?

I'm in my mid-40's....why? Are you saying Gunderson is a well-known nut going far back? I know he is an issue with lots of folks.

I will google him...I've done so in the past but felt like his report concerning Gosch made sense to me. Did it not to you?

What about him bothers you the most? Heck, maybe I'm missing something.

[shefner]

Ok, he was born in '28, became an agent in '51, worked for the defense in the Jeffrey McDonald case. Is controversial, no doubt. He believes in satanic cults that abuse children....helped excavate the "tunnels" in the McMartin Preschool case.

He has people that hate him....

[chiggerbit]

Ok, shef, you sound like a newbie. Try googling Ted together with Virginia McCullough. Or Ted together with Cointelpro. Or Ted together with Jackie McCauley. Or Ted together with Barbara Hartwell. Jesus, what a Days of Our Lives, conspiracy style.

[shefner]

Ok, shef, you sound like a newbie. Try googling Ted together with Virginia McCullough. Or Ted together with Cointelpro. Or Ted together with Jackie McCauley. Or Ted together with Barbara Hartwell. Jesus, what a Days of Our Lives, conspiracy style.

Ok chiggerbit...calling me a newbie in such a condescending tone is one way to p*** me off! I may be a newbie here but not other boards, thank you kindly.

I am fully aware of Barbara Hartwell. I have read a lot of junk about Ted Gunderson and I'm not always sure which end is up with him or any of his cohorts or enemies (Art Bell, et.al).

I do know I think John DeCamp is reliable. He has many associations, one of them is Ted. I have associations, too, and hope I won't be judged on half of them! LOL
Noreen is a brave woman...maybe she has been duped along the way. If my son was gone, I'm sure I'd be vulnerable too. Still, her testimony in Bonacci's trial (once again) was stunning. Do I believe her? Let's just say I want to believe her.

Now be nice to me!

edited because when I'm ticked I tend to misspell!

[OP ED]

Ok, shef, you sound like a newbie. Try googling Ted together with Virginia McCullough. Or Ted together with Cointelpro. Or Ted together with Jackie McCauley. Or Ted together with Barbara Hartwell. Jesus, what a Days of Our Lives, conspiracy style.

Ok chiggerbit...calling me a newbie in such a condescending tone is one way to p*** me off! I may be a newbie here but not other boards, thank you kindly.

I am fully aware of Barbara Hartwell. I have read a lot of junk about Ted Gunderson and I'm not always sure which end is up with him or any of his cohorts or enemies (Art Bell, et.al).

I do know I think John DeCamp is reliable. He has many associations, one of them is Ted. I have associations, too, and hope I won't be judged on half of them! LOL
Noreen is a brave woman...maybe she has been duped along the way. If my son was gone, I'm sure I'd be vulnerable too. Still, her testimony in Bonacci's trial (once again) was stunning. Do I believe her? Let's just say I want to believe her.

Now be nice to me!

edited because when I'm ticked I tend to misspell!

Hello shefner. I normally don't come out of lurk-mode in threads like this one very often. My own interests/talents do not directly intersect with this topic, but I read these threads whenever I can. [maybe if you can point me in the direction of a black magician or two, then maybe I could help, but researching these cases and their labyrinthe mysteries is more than I can handle]

Just wanted to say hello, and welcome. I'm sure we'll be angrily disagreeing over unimportant details in no time.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I do know I think John DeCamp is reliable. He has many associations, one of them is Ted.

RI is not Gunderson Country.

[shefner]

Just wanted to say hello, and welcome. I'm sure we'll be angrily disagreeing over unimportant details in no time. [/quote]



Hello and thanks for the welcome! I always know when I become "one of the family" on a board like this....that's when I get tee'd and someone still loves me! Looking forward to more disagreeable moments soon!

Sherry

[shefner]

I do know I think John DeCamp is reliable. He has many associations, one of them is Ted.

RI is not Gunderson Country.

Yeah tell me about it! Gunderson isn't worth getting the ole' fanny spanked!

[rbeck]

It was amazing then that Noreen removed Ted Gunderson's Report from her site.....

No kidding? She just shot up in my estimation.

Yep, go to JohnnyGosch.com and look under the Ted Gunderson Report column. You'll get her explanation there.

I'm not sure that TG has not become more extremist in these last few years... I thought this early report made total sense. But in more recent years, some of his comments and ideas are "off the charts." His connection to Cathy O'Brien, etc., is so strange....I guess I mean that she seems strange. And that crazy Mark Phillips too. Sorry but they set off my hinky meter!

I wanted to ask rbeck what he thinks about "Trance-formation of America." The you-tube videos are a bit creepy, IMO. Could all of that be real?

Hey im not sure about Mark Phillips and Cathy OBrien its interesting her stories are similar to some things i have heard before from other non famous mk ultra victims but i dont know about her she seems fishy by the way did you see the video where she shows her mutilated lady parts? thats creepy. but I do know more about Mark though. His real name is Mark Quaret or Guaret? i think im spelling it right and he says he worked for a DOD government subcontractor called AMPEX http://www.ampex.com/ Mark also says he used to work at the Yerkes Primate Center at Emory University in Atlanta back in the 60s-70s they are famous for their work in electric shock behavior modification in primates(monkeys) some people think they do mk ultra experiments there too. Mark has also been employed as a pilot with
Capitol Airlines based in Smyrna Tenn. which is a CIA front airline like Air America He is a real shadey character. You guys were talking about Ted Gunderson oh boy what a guy! you have no idea about him i can write a book on the guy hes involved in everything i know ive had some personal experience with Ted. Chigger, im trying to find the exact orphange John Decamp was at right now . I cant remember its been awhile since i heard him mention it I know it was called a brotherhood called "the something fathers" i think it was a group of monks in st paul sorry to be so vague.

[chiggerbit]

Sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending, but I've given you all the pointers that I can think of for now. Mik Ultra and out.

[shefner]

Thanks, rbeck, you are always so helpful (and respectful)! I learned alot I didn't know just from your comments. And yes, I saw the mutilated "lady parts" and it was pretty gross! LOL
I wonder if those involved in MKUltra are just permanently "messed up." I don't mean that in a disrespectful way but it seems like once your mind has been altered, it might not ever be the same again, even in recovery.

Please tell us more about Gunderson....I have taken so much grief for mentioning that name!

sherry

[timetunneler]

Keep looking because there are many sites other than this one and you know it.....I've googled it myself and know what I've found.

John DeCamp has been exposing the sex abuse/Boys Town connection for quite a long time.

So who has some theories on whether or not these kidnapping rings are being used to blackmail politicians into playing along with the Nazi takeover of the U.S.? Prostitution rings, blackmail, Craig Spence, the 1989 Washington Times article of call boys going into the white house. Call-Manboy Jeff Gannon, Gannon in the white house, Gannon's ties to Gosch... I've always thought that these things were probably in part set up and protected in order to entrap people into playing along with the Big Dogs at the top.

So no one has any thoughts on the possibility of blackmail operations involved with some of these cases?

Male Ho Jeff Ganon + White House Visits + Washington Times Article About Call Boys in White House + Jeff Gannon injecting himself in Gosch Case

Anyone chasing that thread of clues down?

My Rigorous Intuition tells me that Gannon was part of a honeypot operation. He was being used to blackmail someone by posing as a reporter and possibly by injecting himself into the gosch mess. Just a thought.