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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:03 pm

And another.

Here's the disinfo line that Douglas Rushkoff recently spewed in his service to the 9/11 cover-up, that 'truthers' are really just racist for refuting the '19 Arab hijacker' cover story-

A relevant subtext is the sheer disbelief non-US citizens could have organised 9/11 without US government assistance--racism by another (subtle) name.


This is fecal material of the most pungent.

I could pull more disinfo turds out of this pile but instead I'm going to wash my hands...
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Postby Jeff » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:09 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Here's the disinfo line that Douglas Rushkoff recently spewed in his service to the 9/11 cover-up, that 'truthers' are really just racist for refuting the '19 Arab hijacker' cover story-

A relevant subtext is the sheer disbelief non-US citizens could have organised 9/11 without US government assistance--racism by another (subtle) name.


But that is a subtext Hugh, deserving of self-criticism, and prevalent among the right wing of the Truth Movement that's largely leading its march over the abyss. Or what do you make of the sneers about 9/11 being beyond "Arabs in caves"?
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Re: Chip Berlet all the way.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:13 pm

Jeff wrote:....
Your obsession over "physical evidence" which is neither physical nor evidence.....
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:shock:

I'll just be going back to other reading that's more factual and more useful to the left than the op article, like Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

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Postby orz » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:14 pm

Fucking newbies started researching this shit in Fall '01 and pretend that nothing overtly [and covertly] weird ever happened before that.


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Re: Chip Berlet all the way.

Postby orz » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:15 pm

Jeff wrote:which is neither physical nor evidence


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Postby OP ED » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:16 pm

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Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:Here's the disinfo line that Douglas Rushkoff recently spewed in his service to the 9/11 cover-up, that 'truthers' are really just racist for refuting the '19 Arab hijacker' cover story-

A relevant subtext is the sheer disbelief non-US citizens could have organised 9/11 without US government assistance--racism by another (subtle) name.


But that is a subtext Hugh, deserving of self-criticism, and prevalent among the right wing of the Truth Movement that's largely leading its march over the abyss. Or what do you make of the sneers about 9/11 being beyond "Arabs in caves"?


I agree that any racist subtext should be avoided. I also think that is irrelevant to the topic. The "racist" argument serves all kinds of agendas, because it can be used any number of ways. I could make the [often heard] argument about Barack Obama being black contributing to his success, and it could be used to imply that I was racist.

Let me put it this way: "19 Arab Radicals in Caves" do NOT possess the ability to carry out the attack [even the official story] without significant foreign intelligence aid.

Call that racist, I call it reality.
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Postby nomo » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:17 pm

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Postby OP ED » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:17 pm

orz wrote:
Fucking newbies started researching this shit in Fall '01 and pretend that nothing overtly [and covertly] weird ever happened before that.


Welcome to Britain's premier parapolitical investigative magazine Notes from the Borderland (NFB). We have been producing the magazine since 1997 but some published material before then.


Note from the Borderland? Ha, I was wrong and still right. Ha.

Now I know why the tone seems so familiar.
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Postby orz » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:19 pm

nomo wrote:This thread needs more pictures.

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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:20 pm

Jeff wrote:.....
But that is a subtext Hugh, deserving of self-criticism, and prevalent among the right wing of the Truth Movement that's largely leading its march over the abyss. Or what do you make of the sneers about 9/11 being beyond "Arabs in caves"?


I think racism is mostly an injected straw man in the 9/11 Truth movement which is comprised mostly of anti-war peace and justice types, not John Birchers.

I see the racism of American Exceptionalism as both more prevalent and more problematic in supporting the cover story and the subsequent permanent torture-supported oil war.

One day a guy with wife and small kids in his car started yelling at me for having a 9/11 truth bumper sticker. He was outraged at the suggestion that "Americans would kill Americans."

That's some brainwashing. And this America as Master Race/Chosen Few mentality is extremely common.
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Postby orz » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:23 pm

anti-war peace and justice types,

Really? Seems to me from reading internet posts that there are a large percentage of people who claim that it 'woke them up' and who previously, (or even still in non-9/11-related issues) had very mainstream and conservative views.
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Postby OP ED » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:24 pm

it's a shame about Rushkoff, by the way. He seems otherwise fairly reasonable, like many I know.
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Postby Jeff » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:26 pm

OP ED wrote:Let me put it this way: "19 Arab Radicals in Caves" do NOT possess the ability to carry out the attack [even the official story] without significant foreign intelligence aid.

Call that racist, I call it reality.


"Arab radicals in caves" = no google hits. "Arabs in caves" over 5,000. Scoffing at the caricature of Arab troglodytes, yes, that is racist.

You know these guys weren't living in caves. They were cultured and Westernized. Connected. Going there is dangerous to the covert players. Saying they were "Arabs in caves" divorces them from the operational structure, and saves the operation.
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Postby OP ED » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:26 pm

orz wrote:
anti-war peace and justice types,

Really? Seems to me from reading internet posts that there are a large percentage of people who claim that it 'woke them up' and who previously, (or even still in non-9/11-related issues) had very mainstream and conservative views.


that is probably true. but most of the people I see at the war rallies don't look like they're young enough hippies to be attending their first. the "truth" movement is very much a part of that, although not in an "organized" sense.

My main issues with the site are its various attempts at disposing of babies and bathwater.
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Postby orz » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:26 pm

And this America as Master Race/Chosen Few mentality is extremely common.

Indeed. This is why so many people on both 'sides' think 9/11 was terribly important.
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