9/11 Cult Watch

[8bitagent]

In contrast... how many times has the media had a sit down with Indira Singh or Sibel Edmonds, or talked about the war games in any detail, or Minetta's 9/11 testimony etc etc...

Or tried to track down CIA provocatuer agents Melvin Lattimore and Ali Mohamed and ask them why they continually get involved in staged terror attacks. Or went in depth with deep Saudi complicity, Ptech, Rocky Hammad and the Memphis TN cell, WAMY/Beneavolence Foundation/al-Kifah/CARE Intl,
Anwar Aluqi, Mohmar Mohammed, Pakistani ISI, Dubai banking systems,
Israeli Mossad's white van cells, Mohammed Atta and drug running, Omar Saeed, Luai Sakkra, etc.

I respect Jeff's Coincidence Theorists guide, but I could put together a list of a 100 even more verified smoking guns of 9/11 very few talk(or know about)

I mean the CIA linked Sun Times hosted the hijackers weeks before they got attacked by anthrax!

Freaking beheaded Nick Berg was hanging out with 9/11 hijackers in Norman Oklahoma.

Go back further and David Rockefeller and the bin Laden construction group's star architect is creating the Twin Towers.

Israeli art students selling toys at mall kiosks, hijackers hanging out with
enablers dressed as AA/UA airport tarmac crew, non hijackers hanging out with hijackers in hotel rooms(even the day of 9/11), credit cards used by the hijackers continuing to be used AFTER 9/11, the blip of Flight 93 continuing to go on radar all the way to DC, NFL football star witnessesing Flight 93 passengers loaded to a side tarmac ready plane, bomb going off on Flight 93, Sudanese cell talking of Bush assassination in Florida on 9/10, Mossad dressed as Arabs trying to interview Bush on 9/11,
Bush touching down on Franklin Coverup/War Games HQ Offut AFB where Warren Buffet was hosting WTC CEOs for breakfast(while his white lier jet followed Flight 93), Israeli spies living next to the hijackers in Florida, etc
hijackers at the same counter terror convention as John Oneil in Spain back in early 2001, Melvin Lattimore connecting WTC to OKC and 9/11,
the Memphis TN cell and the WTC sprinkler systems, Mohammed Atta
connected to US/German elite exhange program CDS International in Germany, etc.

folks, you cant make this stuff up!

When I first read Jeff's angle on the 'New Coke' angle, I didn't read it as an attack so much as a lament that SO MUCH of the energy has been directed into one particular channel, to the detriment of other potentially more fruitful trails. And I couldn't agree more.

And that energy sink continues to this day, if the two very active 9/11 threads here are any example.

Researchers who understand the ins and out of September 11th and deep para political research would understand this.

"New Coke" meant that taking al Qaeda out of the equasion(Osama was FRAMED! Hijackers alive! Swapped planes! Missiles!) makes zero sense, since al Qaeda leads directly back to the powers that be and all the interwoven arteries of the global corporate elite system

Just an observation... "following the money trail" is what put Ollie North et al in front of the cameras to testify back in the day, and helped expose BCCI and that's about the closest the average American got to seeing the inner workings of the system.

Even then, there was a lot of public focus on the (relative) hottness of Fawn Hall.

Maybe we should check if any of the suspected actors in 9/11 had any sexy secretaries who were doing their bidding.

No, but the hijackers sure apparently loved to spend copius amounts of money on hookers, strippers, sex toys, porn, etc.

Of course, the powers that be that control al Qaeda sure love their kidnapped sex slave children. (look at Washington DC Republicans, look how Dubai's leadership is indicted for the smuggling of 30,000 7-12 year old boys)

You're right tho, it might not be as sexy as "CD", but the deep state connections of the 9/11 involved portion of al Qaeda and the money is what would stand up in court.

Is ANYONE into discussing these things, or just physical anomalies?(of which I agree there's something too)

I think this discussion has gone quite far in establishing Jeff's blind eye and/or level of hypocrisy in this regard.

I think this discussion has gone quite far in establishing the article quoted in the OP to be a fair and realistic picture of the 9/11 Truth Cult. (or 9/11 Truth Fandom as I would personally describe it)

Yeah, but while I as well give harsh tough love to the Truth movement(or what its began to parrot since 2004), I have NO kind words for the left/right
who say any questioning of 9/11 is crazy. For people who think 9/11 is "blowback and incompetence". Anyone who believes that shit is truly an idiot, on par with Bushies who think Saddam was involved in 9/11 and had WMD's

If truthdom had followed the line of inquiry by Paul Thompson, it'd be quite a lot farther by now

Ive called people who focus solely on "CD" as the "rosetta stone",
The Church of Controlled Demolition, Pentagospelists, 11th Day Septemberists. Some of it IS a cult mentality with hardcore parroted meme dogma.

Its a fake Osama, look at the nose!
The hijackers turned up alive!
A missile hit the pentagon!
There was no passengers on the planes!
al Qaeda was never involved!

The REAL story of 9/11 is more complex, but ultimately even more
bizarre. I tend to think most of what happened on 9/11 wasnt as complex as the Loose Change orthodoxy claims.

But to the lefty/right wing people who say "youre all idiots, Occam's Razor!" I simply say "Occam's Boxcutter says otherwise"

[isachar]

Amy?

Seriously what is wrong with you? Are you trying to provide a textbook example of the kind of wrong thinking the original post is complaining about?

orz, you wouldn't get it, even if I explained it using crayon pictures of dick and jane.

[orz]

Amy?

Seriously what is wrong with you? Are you trying to provide a textbook example of the kind of wrong thinking the original post is complaining about?

orz, you wouldn't get it, even if I explained it using crayon pictures of dick and jane.

I GET it you dope, you already explained it earlier in the thread. I'm just pointing out that it's UNFATHOMABLY STUPID but I won't bother explaining why because if you were capable of understanding you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

[OP ED]

I don't have any idea what is going on anymore. I stopped participating about nine pages or so ago. I could give a shit less about controlled demolition.

All I ever said was that I didn't like the cult site and/or it didn't have any useful information for me. Whether or not it is an accurate warning of the septemberists behavior seems beside the point to me. It seems designed to create conflict, not dissolve issues.

I have decided it isn't worth the effort to argue with people who've already made up their minds [one way or the other] on this subject.

[OP ED]

Who does it benefit that we argue about silly things like these?

who does it always benefit?

[orz]

you didn't miss much.

[isachar]

Amy?

Seriously what is wrong with you? Are you trying to provide a textbook example of the kind of wrong thinking the original post is complaining about?

orz, you wouldn't get it, even if I explained it using crayon pictures of dick and jane.

I GET it you dope, you already explained it earlier in the thread. I'm just pointing out that it's UNFATHOMABLY STUPID but I won't bother explaining why because if you were capable of understanding you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.

Wow, orz, that was two sentences!

Now, what is unfathomably stupid about pointing out that the NIST report is demonstrably phony, and that the issues it was purported to address are all outstanding?

And, what is unfathomably stupid about objecting to your, Jeff's, Nomo's FB's and the other Amy's relentlessly bashing, attacking and engaging in ad hominmen attacks on all who raise this point and use it to call for a re-opening of the investigation of the events related to 911, inclusive of those issues addressed (or suppressed) by the phony Whitewash Commission and the phony NIST investigation.

You, Nomo, Jeff, FB and the other Amy's do all in your power to slap this down.

Now, what if a link were to be posted that showed a microscopic spectrographic analysis of dust samples obtained from the WTC to be virtually indistinguishable (within the expected range of variation of microscopic samples) from samples of thermite? And, the person who made this analysis were to use it as part of an effort to make the case for a re-opening of the NIST investigation? I have no doubt you (within the limits of a one liner, and only as an amen to one of the other Amy's posting here) would spare little effort in attacking the person who prepared the analysis, as well as the poster if the poster were to suggest it supports a reopening, and at casting aspersions on the findings.

Just as you and the other Amy's have consistently done now for about the last 3 years.

So, back to the simplified version of my original question:

Do you agree that the NIST investigation into the causes of the collapse of the WTC's, inclusive of its methods and conclusions, is valid and substantially correct?

Let's see if you can respond with a full "yes" or "no" this time.

If I take his most recent response correctly it would appear that Jeff would now - after 12 pages or so - answer that with "yes, but fuck you". If you can type that much, that's fine too.

And no fair using the "it's more complex than that", or it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is dodge.

[brainpanhandler]

[quote=]Do you agree that the NIST investigation into the causes of the collapse of the WTC's, inclusive of its methods and conclusions, is valid and substantially correct? [/quote]

How about "It depends on what the definition of substantially is?"

[isachar]

[quote=]Do you agree that the NIST investigation into the causes of the collapse of the WTC's, inclusive of its methods and conclusions, is valid and substantially correct?

How about "It depends on what the definition of substantially is?"[/quote]

Sorry, BP, no dodges of any kind allowed, but if you think it would help to provide an appropriate definition for this purpose, please do so.

[Fresno_Layshaft]

Now, what if a link were to be posted that showed a microscopic spectrographic analysis of dust samples obtained from the WTC to be virtually indistinguishable (within the expected range of variation of microscopic samples) from samples of thermite? Someone who uses this info to aid in making the case for a re-opening of the investigation?

I'll tell you exactly what will happen: NOTHING.

Nothing will EVER happen to re-open ANY 9/11 investigation. 9/11 is history. Its really sad how personally invested you are in such a pointless endeavor, and what a rude jackass you're being.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

http://www.ae911truth.org/twintowers.php

Technical Articles

• Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse of the Upper Stories of WTC 1
Gordon Ross Journal of 9/11 Studies

• Direct Evidence for Explosions: Flying Projectiles and Widespread Impact Damage
Dr. Crockett Grabbe

• Lies about the WTC by NIST and Underwriters Laboratories
Kevin Ryan - U.L. whistleblower - former Site Manager

• Physical Chemistry of Thermite, Thermate, Iron-Alum-Rich Microspheres at Demise of WTC 1 & 2
Jerry Lobdill 6/15/2007

• The Destruction of WTC 7
Vesa Raiskila

• The NIST WTC Investigation -- How Real Was The Simulation?
Eric Douglas, Architect

• Revisiting 9/11/2001 -- Applying the Scientific Method
Prof. Steven E. Jones, Ph.D., Physics

• DR. BAZANT - NIST's 911 FALL GUY
by Gordon Ross, ME [1], June 4, 2007*

• Open Letter to Purdue President France Córdova
Kevin Ryan, B.S. Chem.

• Jones vs. Robertson: A Physicist and a Structural Engineer Debate the Controlled Demolition of the World Trade Center
Gregg Roberts, Associate Editor, 911Research.com

• Another Structural Engineer Questions WTC Collapses
William Rice, P.E.


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[8bitagent]

Now, what if a link were to be posted that showed a microscopic spectrographic analysis of dust samples obtained from the WTC to be virtually indistinguishable (within the expected range of variation of microscopic samples) from samples of thermite? Someone who uses this info to aid in making the case for a re-opening of the investigation?

I'll tell you exactly what will happen: NOTHING.

Nothing will EVER happen to re-open ANY 9/11 investigation. 9/11 is history. Its really sad how personally invested you are in such a pointless endeavor, and what a rude jackass you're being.

Correct.

Sexual indiscretions are going to be cracked open and used to bring down compromised politicians more than 9/11 will

You want to know the CLEAR sign we lost on the 9/11 Justice front?

MOST the liberals believe the official story and HATE truthers like us.
People cant seem to wake up to this maddening fact.

Also, to the CD argument people out there...just because I and others dont believe in "CD" doesnt mean I dont think the towers werent sabotaged. The PTB are very creative, and "controlled demolition" isnt what they would be using, and certainly not space beam DEW's and mini nukes

I would not be surprised if Paul Thompson, Jeff, etc deep down think something is "up" with the way the towers fell, but chose not to focus on it

Let me ask you people: The History Channel and BBC 2 hour "exposes" of the truth movement conspiracies:

Did ANY of them go into non physical anomaly research?

[orz]

Now, what is unfathomably stupid about pointing out that the NIST report is demonstrably phony, and that the issues it was purported to address are all outstanding?

ARGH SHUT UP IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACTUALLY EVEN READ MY POSTS THOROUGHLY ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT WHICH OF YOUR VARIOUS STUPID STATEMENTS I'M CALLING STUPID!!!

[brainpanhandler]

Assuming "substantially" to mean the common adverb then something like "to a large degree" is about right. Which of course means "
not entirely" which also means that a qualification is built into any yes or no answer given. That's about as far as I'll argue such an inane point. I bring it up for the sole purpose of highlighting how absurd you are being.

[Searcher08]

911 on RI
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