Treasongate: Treachery by the Washington Post

by **AnnaLivia** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:14 pm

who was it from the CIA that said "we own everybody who's anybody in the media"? (i can't remember) it's only safe to watch TV once you've been clued into that. only time i sometimes doubt it is when watching Lou Dobbs. i had really abandoned TV until Katrina made me switch it back on, but this Lou Dobbs guy seems ok in my book.

by **chiggerbit** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:32 pm

Ohmygosh, I just watched a couple of Public tv round table discussions on the indictments. I can't believe what I heard. ALL of them were regurgitating all the old Pubican bullshit. It was proven that Wilson lied about his de-bunking the Niger stories, as was proven when his chronology didn't match up. This was all a set-up by Wilson's wife who got him sent to check out the Niger allegations. What Scooter did may have had a bad smell to it, but it wasn't illegal. Fitzy knew in the first three weeks that the legal charges were bogus but he kept digging all this time anyway. I need to figure out how to tape these "discussions" for future reference. But then, I also watched Face the Nation with Bob Scheiffer(?), and his closing comments were very pointed and critical of both the actors in the Plame outing and of journalists role in this. I may have to watch CBS a little more often.

by **antiaristo** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:33 pm

Despite all the “old hands” telling us it’s all a waste of time, this time it IS different. I’ll gladly expand on that if anyone so wishes. The key is paragraph 21 of the indictment. Nowhere else is Novak mentioned. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House ("Official A" ) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson's wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson's trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson's wife.<hr></blockquote> How does Fitzgerald know this? Both Libby and Rove (Official A)* are keeping their mouths shut. So it must be Novak. Libby was Novak’s second source, but Novak won’t willingly name him (or Rove). Fitzgerald must have evidence that Libby phoned Novak. Under pressure one of the things he gave up was that Libby told him that Rove mentioned he would be writing about Wilson’s wife. If he said something like “in the last day or two” that would pin the call down to “On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003” Rove had spoken to Novak on 9 July, so this jived. But Novak’s testimony on this amounts to HEARSAY. Not enough to go after the big boys. Only Libby or Rove can testify to that conversation. On Thursday/Friday of last week the negotiations between Fitz and Rove broke down. Rove said “Fuck you, Fitzgerald.” Fitz issued a detailed “talking indictment” with voluminous facts. We can all sit down and draw relationships, contacts and timelines. He highlighted Rove by calling him “Official A”. “No. Fuck you, Rove!” Fitzgerald has left Rove and Libby sweating under very different circumstances, while keeping Novak in his back pocket. Both Rove and Libby report(ed) to Bush. The two that leaked to Novak. Fitz has patience: how will this White House continue to function? That’s why it makes sense to play down the October leak. He can make a case against Novak under the IIPA and the Espionage Act because Novak is a serial leaker of sensitive defence related information. But that’s a nuclear option likely to give him trouble with the press. * <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801724.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...01724.html</a> (note it’s an Associated Press writer) Added on edit A lot of people are pointing at Ari Fleischer as Novak's second source. Their argument is based on this from Time Magazine <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Another character in the drama remains unnamed: the original source for columnist Robert Novak, who wrote the first piece naming Plame. Fitzgerald, says a lawyer who's involved in the case, "knows who it is—and it's not someone at the White House."<hr></blockquote> Ari is no longer at the White House, ergo the source must be Ari. But I believe that piece is disinformation. Look who wrote it: By VIVECA NOVAK AND MIKE ALLEN Mike Allen. Pincus's partner in outing Brewster-Jennings (I've no idea if Novak is related) And the source? "a lawyer who's involved in the case" I prefer to use logic and reason. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/30/05 6:57 pm

by **dbeach** » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:40 pm

luskin represented clintons now he is for repukes. maybe he will also get an OCT surprise

by **antiaristo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:03 am

I've been following the debate on all fronts, and the excitement is palpable. One interesting theme was the meeting with Sharpe (Bush's Lawyer). There's an article on Newsweek that effectively accuses Fitz of corruption. The consensus is that it will do much damage to Newsweek. The most likely explanation is that Fitz went there to talk about further testimony from Bush. Nothing else has been suggested that would require a personal visit from the prosecutor.

by **chiggerbit** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:21 am

<a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/">thenexthurrah.typepad.com...xt_hurrah/</a> snip <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Conspiracy to Out Joe Wilson by emptywheel In my previous post, I pointed you to a little tidbit at Josh Marshall's. The Barton Gellman article I mentioned this morning has been edited to remove the following italicized bit: On July 12, the day Cheney and Libby flew together from Norfolk, the vice president instructed his aide to alert reporters of an attack launched that morning on Wilson's credibility by Fleischer, according to a well-placed source. Libby talked to Miller and Cooper. That same day, another administration official who has not been identified publicly returned a call from Walter Pincus of The Post. He "veered off the precise matter we were discussing" and told him that Wilson's trip was a "boondoggle" set up by Plame, Pincus has written in Nieman Reports. Apparently, someone doesn't want us to know that Dick Cheney was actively involved in pushing journalists toward that morning's press gaggle. The Attack So let's look at that morning's press gaggle. As coincidence (!) would have it, this is the press gaggle transcript the Bush Administration had removed from its server, forcing Fitzgerald to go to the trouble of subpoenaing it. And what attack did Ari launch that morning against Joe Wilson? I'm not entirely certain the existing gaggle is the complete transcript, but assuming it is, here's the passage I think Dick wanted reporters to focus on:<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/30/05 9:23 pm

by **antiaristo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:03 am

Isikoff is another former Post staffer, no? This is the part HuffPo excerpted <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Novak’s Source Cooperated With Fitzgerald… Newsweek | Michael Isikoff | Posted October 30, 2005 05:27 PM Another lingering mystery: the role played by newspaper columnist Robert Novak and the original "senior administration official" who first leaked Valerie Plame's identity. Novak's July 14, 2003, column identifying Plame touched off the investigation in the first place. One lawyer involved in the case who declined to be identified because of the matter's confidentiality said Novak decided "early on" to cooperate with Fitzgerald's probe and ID his source—whom Fitzgerald never charged, apparently because the mystery leaker told the truth to the grand jury. It still is not clear if Novak testified before the grand jury or simply gave a statement. But the lawyer said Novak—and several other figures in the probe—may initially have been able to testify undetected because witnesses were allowed to take an underground elevator up to the grand jury, making it less likely they would be spotted by journalists. In the summer of 2004, presiding Judge Thomas Hogan ordered all witnesses to go through the front door. As a result, Rove—who made four grand-jury appearances—didn't get noticed testifying until October 2004. Novak declined to comment to NEWSWEEK.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/10/30/novaks-source-cooperat_n_9835.html">www.huffingtonpost.com/20..._9835.html</a> Now compare that to Paragraph 21 of the indictment <blockquote>Quote:<hr>21. On or about July 10 or July 11, 2003, LIBBY spoke to a senior official in the White House ("Official A" ) who advised LIBBY of a conversation Official A had earlier that week with columnist Robert Novak in which Wilson's wife was discussed as a CIA employee involved in Wilson's trip. LIBBY was advised by Official A that Novak would be writing a story about Wilson's wife.<hr></blockquote> Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is Novak's original source. Seems pretty damned clear to me that Official A is the focus of Fitzgerald's inquiry. So what is Isikoff talking about????? Added on edit Scholars of the art of creative lying will immediately recognize the lynchpin of Isikoff's construction: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Novak decided "early on" to cooperate with Fitzgerald's probe and ID his source—whom Fitzgerald never charged, apparently because the mystery leaker told the truth to the grand jury.<hr></blockquote> Everything before the word "apparently" is true. Everything after the word "apparently" is false. See how WaPo alumni operate? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/31/05 9:25 am

by **michael meiring** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:48 am

I may be a little bit naieve on this subject but....As torture has now been legalised as a source of information, how about we ship these 'im not talking brigade' to guantanamo bay and hook their genitals to the electrode machine, As this seems to be a legitimate way, so i am led to believe, why dont we do it with these people? or do you have to be brown and muslim for this type of truthseeking tactic?

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:02 pm

offical A = Candi Rice criminal syndicates use similar MOs. Saw this last yr about Rice..Given that the busheviks would like to return to a plantation system..where the WASPs rule by fear..rice becomes the fall gal.. she is what the busheviks despise. .Intelligent Intellectual Female African American.. so they set her up as the scapegoat and will leave her holding the bag as jr waltzes away to his next crimes or retirement lke poppy o which is just running the crime syndicate in a more hidden manner. backstabbers and four flushers..Parasites who have sucked down the US taxdollars for generations while NEVER contributing to improve the USA. That is the bush dynasty..a FREE CORPORAT RIDE and RAID and mostdon't even ask questions

by **antiaristo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:29 pm

dbeach, Sorry but you are wrong. Official A is Karl Rove.

by **Watchful Citizen** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:30 pm

That includes Isikoff, Walter Pincus, Novak, Judith Miller (Mossad or CIA mouthpiece for neocons for ages), and oh so many more... I think the CIA's Mockingbird media are passing the potato around in a fashion that mirrors the schizm at CIA over the neocons. They are spinning a web of incomprehension to trivialize the matter like a Marx Brothers routine for the masses while the CIA-corrupted judicial system is lined up to give the White House an escape hatch. Didn't I just read that the same judge who ruled on the Sibel Edmunds whistleblower case is now on Plamegate. Golly. Small world...

by **Watchful Citizen** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:32 pm

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by **antiaristo** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"Official A" Gave Novak Plame's Name... Then Told Libby "That Novak Would Be Writing A Story About Wilson's Wife"... The Los Angeles Times | Posted October 31, 2005 12:59 PM Who knew what when in the Bush administration's effort to disclose the identity of a CIA official whose husband had become a principal critic of the Iraq war? Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the case, knows a great deal of the answer, judging by the indictment he unveiled Friday against I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff. But he isn't telling much. Read the whole article here.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/10/31/official-a-gave-novak-p_n_9891.html">www.huffingtonpost.com/20..._9891.html</a> The link given by HuffPo is this, but it requires registration. Can anybody post it here please? <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-outlook31oct31,1,3322016.column?coll=la-news-politics-national&ctrack=1&cset=true">www.latimes.com/news/nati...&cset=true</a> Watchful, You forgot Mike Allen at Time Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/31/05 5:40 pm

by **Soulman** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:43 pm

Why are you spending so much time on this ..............are the present controllers of America going to lose their position. I doubt it......don't forget Syria . Wake Up. America has been taken over. Better read 1984. While you are at it ..........the works of the "pnac"... Sweet Dreams

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:56 pm

libby defense will be based on his poor memory of details. lil myth that mark rich bribed clintons [an easy commodity] via scooter.. bet scootie forgot all bout that also. "According to ABC News online, Matt Cooper today on GMA said that Libby confirmed to him that Valerie Plame was "a covert CIA operative." Anyone keeping an IIPA score for Scooter? Cooper also says that he first heard about Wilson's wife from Rove. "Before I spoke to Karl Rove I didn't know Mr. Wilson had a wife and that she had been involved in sending him to Africa." (note: as Swopa noted in the comments, this seems to contradict what Cooper said in Time Magzine this weekend. I tried to call GMA and some bitch named Sarah who wouldn't give her last name hung up on me when I asked quite nicely if they could confirm the story. If anyone knows someone at GMA let me know, it's a bit too important to let some PMSing receptionist be the end of it.) . Evan Thomas at Newsweek is sniffin' Scooter's panties with a love sonnet that claims "he was on a mission to protect the country from harm." "A man with such a heroic, romantic sense of his boss and his own role in history is bound to take some chances," says Thomas, who goes on to refer to Patrick Fitzgerald as "son of a doorman and scourge of the powerful, a modern-day Inspector Javert." Really, how DARE he of such low birth challenge A Great Man Like Scooter. Wow, Newsweek's bid to beat out Fox News as the Great Water Buffalo of TraitorGate is right on track." <a href="http://www.firedoglake.blogspot.com/">www.firedoglake.blogspot.com/</a>

Treasongate: Treachery by the Washington Post

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Most of the journos in the fray are CIA shill-types.

Libby judge is same as Sibel Edmunds case. Link>

The LA Times is catching on..

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