""Watergate-level event" is about to occur in

[Col Quisp]

Heath7 said:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Will it not be kind of ironic if the dark forces of the CIA succeed in being the agents of our rescue from Bushco?<br><br>Everything from the last couple years has been falling into place lately. Remember when Bush gutted the CIA a year and a half ago? I guess he thought he was going to head this trouble off?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Yeah Right!! Bush et al were set up and are about to be taken down!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There's an intense deleted scene (on the director's cut DVD) in the Oliver Stone movie "Nixon" in which CIA chief Richard Helms tells Nixon that Kennedy was "wrong" when he thought he could smash the CIA into a hundred pieces. Nixon of course says, "Well, I'm not Jack Kennedy." In the scene, Nixon's trying to cut a deal with the CIA to get back the documents that link him to that "Bay of Pigs thing" (i.e., events leading to Kennedy assassination). Looks like Bush was "wrong," too. Or perhaps misguided.<br><br>The CIA may be our rescue from Bushco, but what will the replacement be? I fear the unknown.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Will it not be kind of ironic if the dark forces of the CIA succeed in being the agents of our rescue from Bushco?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>It won't be much of a rescue from our longer-term problems, but in the short term, it should at least mean that there won't be any more wars for a while. <br><br>dbeach, I hope you'll get an indictment for wedding anniversary present tomorrow! <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>

[sunny]

Rest assured, something is going to happen-<br>according to Cannonfire:<br><br>"Ponder, if you will, the surreal spectacle of a newswoman claiming that she went to jail to protect a source whose name she now cannot recall. Some witnesses ask for amnesty; Judy hopes to be granted amnesia."<br><br>Fitzie isn't stupid, he's got it all worked out. Apparently, references to "Aspen's" in Libby's letter are alluding to the Aspen Institute, of which Cheney is an integral part. Read Miller:<br><br>"In answer, I told the grand jury about my last encounter with Mr. Libby. It came in August 2003, shortly after I attended a conference on national security issues held in Aspen, Colo. After the conference, I traveled to Jackson Hole, Wyo. At a rodeo one afternoon, a man in jeans, a cowboy hat and sunglasses approached me. He asked me how the Aspen conference had gone. I had no idea who he was."<br><br>Jackson Hole, Cheney's home.<br><br>Cannonfire has it nailed-<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/">cannonfire.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Clearly, Miller is sending signals to Dickie that she COULD name him but hasn't yet, and wants something in return. If ordinary citizens can put all this stuff together, you can bet Fitzie, with access to vast amounts of testimony and facts can put it together even better. <br><br>If there is any justice left in the WORLD, Cheney, at the very least, will be indicted on Espionage charges as he so richly deserves. If something really big, on this scale, does not happen in the near future, I will abandon all hope. For now, it feels good to believe that it really might happen and I refuse, yet, to think that it COULDN'T. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

I used to hike in those Aspen mts<br><br>Gorgeous...<br><br>OK So I am waiting on an anniverasry present..<br><br>and if the cheneman gets out of his vp ship..I think it can only rally our troops the truth seeking troops ..YES we still have HUGE mts to climb and battles to fight BUT IF bush/cheeny both go down then its cuz of many crimes but its the busting of their international crime syndicates that is of more significance..the bush chney ivy school legal above the law type criminals are seeing the daylight for the very first time..This is a colassal moment in US and World history.<br><br>Let us savor in these moments of uncertainty the joy of future Truths about to be revealed..and its really a safe bet tonight that rove and the rest are prison bound..leaving the last 2 madmen in the waiting<br><br>To finally take back the controls form the mass murderers.<br><br>WOW!! <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

Here's an interesting twist. Miller could be called to testify in another case of Fitz's, not related to these Plame-gate investigations. Surely he wouldn't negotiate away anything in the Plame one in exchange for concessions on this other case, would he?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-salah18.html">www.suntimes.com/output/n...lah18.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>snip<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Bridgeview used car salesman Muhammad Salah recalls being beaten, housed in a "refrigerator cell" and threatened with rape by Israeli soldiers until he admitted to bankrolling overseas terrorists, according to a new filing in U.S. District Court.<br><br>In an odd twist, the interrogation was witnessed by embattled New York Times reporter Judith Miller, and defense attorneys suggested Monday the best way for the U.S. government to prove its case -- and prove Salah wasn't abused -- is to call the controversial journalist to the witness stand.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

oh, freaking priceless! enter a used car salesman into this story! it needed one more character you trust as far as you can throw a stop-and-shop! who could make this stuff up?<br><br>you guys are so great to keep us all informed! <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

i can't find anything on it yet, but didn't i hear today that two more of BUSH's aides testified? both women, one named Millerwise? it was Miller-something, i swear. and there is a millerwise on his staff, a campaigner, i think.<br><br>(having to take my pain med since this afternoon. could be i got this wrong, so ok i don't swear) <p></p><i></i>

[Peachtree Pam]

from firedoglake - I really love the picture: Cheney with the smirk wiped away.....YES!<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/">firedoglake.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[ewastud]

Actually the criticism of Ashcroft is that he took several months to turn it over to a special prosecutor when he had a clear conflict of interest in having hired Karl Rove for his own political campaigns in the past. There is the possibility Ashcroft could be indicted for that. Also Condoliar Rice was a member of the White House Iraq Group and is a likely candidate for indictmnet, too. Current AG Alberto Gonzales was the White House Counsel when the scandal first broke and he might be indicted for having given WH operatives a warning and opportunity to destroy incriminating documents and computer email files. <p></p><i></i>

[Peachtree Pam]

an interesting list of people who have been interviewed or who testified under oath in Plamegate. Yes, AnnaLivia, Millerwise is right there, CIA communications dir.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2005/10/the_f_list.html">hotlineblog.nationaljourn..._list.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Prac]

cloakanddagger.de has posted a highly illuminating and relevant discussion between Tom Hennigan and Sherman Skolnick. Well worth a visit and listen.<br><br>Extremely interesting and provocative, more so than usual. <p>What's done in this world is what's paid for...<br>...Who's had the Money</p><i></i>

[dbeach]

ashcraft lost senate election to a dead man..dead from a plane crash???? <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

What I meant, ewastud, was that from the time that Ashcroft announced his decision to the time that Fitzy was appointed was very brief, really, as if someone had the complexities all thought out by the time Fitzy stepped in.<br><br>Yes, dbeach, Mel Carnahan died in a plane crash two years before Wellstone, and it was very similar to the loss of Wellstone later, in that they were both running neck-and-neck with their opponent up until the last several weeks before the election, and then each had started to inch ahead in the polls. Plane crashes and suicides--how many do you think the American public can absorb before it finally dawns on them?<br><br>I've been thinking that it is possible that we all may have our hopes up too high. But I find great comfort in knowing that they all have to be squirming, considering how severe the possible consequences are. I'll be surprised if Cheney survives the stress. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/19/05 9:01 am<br></i>

[sunny]

Chigger, I really think it has dawned on people that these "crashes" and "suicides" were stinky, but the media keeps a lid on it. Even in my area of the world where most people are conservative Republicans, suspicion is always high when important people die suddenly, in whatever circumstances. <br>Quite simply, the media aren't going to tell people that people think that they are full of shit when they act like "there's nothing to see here, folks, move along." <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/19/politics/19leak.html?ei=5088&en=9be032e1d4f42e2b&ex=1287374400&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print">www.nytimes.com/2005/10/1...nted=print</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>No Final Report Seen in Inquiry on C.I.A. Leak <br>By DAVID JOHNSTON<br>and RICHARD W. STEVENSON<br>WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 - The special counsel in the C.I.A. leak case has told associates he has no plans to issue a final report about the results of the investigation, heightening the expectation that he intends to bring indictments, lawyers in the case and law enforcement officials said yesterday. <br><br><br>This means to me that indictments are in FACT about to come down, no doubt about it. What remains to be seen is what kind of indictments they will be- IIPA- a white wash<br>perjury, obstruction of justice, etc.- a white wash<br>ESPIONAGE- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>celebrate, celebrate</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->!!!! <p></p><i></i>