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pepsified thinker wrote:Thanks Medicis,
Good overview/history--fills in the blanks.
But also, can you say more about where it came from? I'm thrown off a bit by the different names/headlines, etc. at the top of it. It's something I could see my self passing along to others, so I want to know its provenance before putting myself behind it.
professorpan wrote:.....
I think it's a mistake to assume that the CIA is wields all-powerful control over *all* media (as some, ahem, regulars on this board suggest).
It's just as big a mistake to overstate the involvement as it is to deny it exists.
I see widespread and daily use of media for psy-ops purposes, not *all.*
medicis wrote:Well, given the vast amounts of money gone ‘missing’ from the Pentagon’s budgets and elsewhere, I would figure that just about ‘anything’ goes .. or could go. Thus, I would have developed many many ‘fingers’ of control and influence throughout the media industry. I would have tendrils of influence and manipulation within and permeating every major corporation involved in the media as well as many smaller ones... Because such control would be necessary for me, er.…, I mean the government to promulgate the propaganda required to thoroughly manipulate the populace in accord with my.… oops, there I go again, I mean the government’s goals for total hegemony and the authoritarian state.
I think that’s about where things are at the moment.
gnosticheresy_2 wrote:Maybe, but longer term I would be trying to get things to the point where these news organisations and media outlets would be perpetuating these goals for me in such a manner that required little or no interference on my part. A culture change if you will, where journalists don't need to be fed disinformation to distract them from investigating my affairs too closely because it will simply never occur to them in the first place that they need to, where film scripts don't need to be passed to a dedicated (and expensive to run) psy-ops team because the the writers will already be pushing the desired messages of their own accord.
gnosticheresy_2 wrote:medicis wrote:Well, given the vast amounts of money gone ‘missing’ from the Pentagon’s budgets and elsewhere, I would figure that just about ‘anything’ goes .. or could go. Thus, I would have developed many many ‘fingers’ of control and influence throughout the media industry. I would have tendrils of influence and manipulation within and permeating every major corporation involved in the media as well as many smaller ones... Because such control would be necessary for me, er.…, I mean the government to promulgate the propaganda required to thoroughly manipulate the populace in accord with my.… oops, there I go again, I mean the government’s goals for total hegemony and the authoritarian state.
I think that’s about where things are at the moment.
Maybe, but longer term I would be trying to get things to the point where these news organisations and media outlets would be perpetuating these goals for me in such a manner that required little or no interference on my part. A culture change if you will, where journalists don't need to be fed disinformation to distract them from investigating my affairs too closely because it will simply never occur to them in the first place that they need to, where film scripts don't need to be passed to a dedicated (and expensive to run) psy-ops team because the the writers will already be pushing the desired messages of their own accord.
gnosticheresy_2 wrote:.....
...longer term I would be trying to get things to the point where these news organisations and media outlets would be perpetuating these goals for me in such a manner that required little or no interference on my part.
A culture change if you will, where journalists don't need to be fed disinformation to distract them from investigating my affairs too closely because it will simply never occur to them in the first place that they need to, where film scripts don't need to be passed to a dedicated (and expensive to run) psy-ops team because the the writers will already be pushing the desired messages of their own accord.
I just watched 'Moon Over Parador' from 1989.
The main character's name is a South American dictator named "Sims."
1989 was a year that Beth Sims was publishing information about CIA influence on labor unions that would become her 1991 book, 'Workers of the World Undermined: American Labor's Role in U.S. Foreign Policy'.
She is also part of an important FOIA case involving CIA, 'CIA vs Sims,' from 1985.
This...is not a coincidence. Many many movies are designed as counterpropaganda using keyword hijacking, meme-reversal inoculation theory, interference theory, negative framing of whistleblowers, and positive framing of cover stories.
Ralph, the Jonathan Winters' character, tells a long story concerning an English pirate who founded the country of Parador, to explain why Alphonse Simms has an Anglo-Saxon surname. The real reason is that the film was shot in Brazil, and director Paul Mazursky needed a shot of a crowd of Brazilian extras chanting the dictator's name. When the crowd is calling out "Simms! Simms!", they are actually chanting "Sim! Sim!". "Sim" is "yes" in Portuguese, the language of Brazil.
professorpan wrote:I just watched 'Moon Over Parador' from 1989.
The main character's name is a South American dictator named "Sims."
1989 was a year that Beth Sims was publishing information about CIA influence on labor unions that would become her 1991 book, 'Workers of the World Undermined: American Labor's Role in U.S. Foreign Policy'.
She is also part of an important FOIA case involving CIA, 'CIA vs Sims,' from 1985.
This...is not a coincidence. Many many movies are designed as counterpropaganda using keyword hijacking, meme-reversal inoculation theory, interference theory, negative framing of whistleblowers, and positive framing of cover stories.
Well, the bestselling game "Sim City" came out in 1989, too. Clearly another attempt to hijack Beth Sims. And director Kevin Sim, in the same year, produced an episode of the psyop PBS program "Frontline" about the My Lai massacre. The CIA shell company e-SIM was also founded in 1989 as a clever distraction from Beth Sims' book and FOIA case.
But all joking aside, what do you say about this, Mr. Know-it-All?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095654/triviaRalph, the Jonathan Winters' character, tells a long story concerning an English pirate who founded the country of Parador, to explain why Alphonse Simms has an Anglo-Saxon surname. The real reason is that the film was shot in Brazil, and director Paul Mazursky needed a shot of a crowd of Brazilian extras chanting the dictator's name. When the crowd is calling out "Simms! Simms!", they are actually chanting "Sim! Sim!". "Sim" is "yes" in Portuguese, the language of Brazil.
Whaddya say about that, Hugh? Just another piece of disinfo? Or might you be... gasp!... WRONG??!
CIA v. Sims: Mosaic Theory & Government Attitude
CHRISTINA E. WELLS
University of Missouri School of Law
U of Missouri-Columbia School of Law Legal Studies Research Paper No. 2006-22
Administrative Law Review, Vol. 58, 2006
Abstract:
This article, part of a larger forum on underrated administrative law cases, discusses CIA v. Sims, and its relationship to the development of mosaic theory in FOIA cases and beyond.
Mosaic theory involves the idea that the government may withhold otherwise innocuous information because it might prove dangerous if combined with other information by a knowledgeable actor (especially a hostile intelligence agency). The theory thus allows non-disclosure of information that otherwise would have been disclosed.
While the core idea of mosaic theory is legitimate, as asserted by the government, mosaic theory has been a crude tool demanding extreme deference from judges when national security is involved. Beginning in the early 1970s, lower courts began to accept the government's assertions of mosaic theory, making little effort to question the government's evidence or rationale for secrecy. In CIA v. Sims, the Supreme Court finally accepted mosaic theory as a rationale for withholding information in certain FOIA cases involving national security and, like lower courts before it, deferred to government claims of necessity without question.
Numerous scholars have criticized the courts' extreme deference to government assertions of mosaic theory in the FOIA, and increasingly, the state secrets context. That deference, however, has had an impact far beyond those contexts. Emboldened by the utter lack of checks on government assertions of the theory, the government has proffered mosaic theory to justify surveillance programs in libraries, attempts to restrict public access to non-classified government information, and laws imposing secret gag orders on those who receive national security letters from the government, programs which pose serious problems for constitutional liberties. Mosaic theory, then, has become part of the government's mindset.
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