MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal

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MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal

Postby hava1 » Sun May 18, 2008 4:47 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 953837.ece

MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal
David Leppard

An MI5 officer has been forced to resign after admitting that his wife was a prostitute who took part in a notorious “Nazi-style orgy” with Max Mosley, the Formula One racing chief.

The intelligence officer, who cannot be named for security reasons, left the service last month after it emerged that his wife was one of the five call girls who took part in the sadomasochistic sex session with Mosley.

Exposure of the lurid orgy led to calls for Mosley, the son of Sir Oswald Mosley, the wartime British fascist leader, to step down from his post as president of the FIA, the governing body of world motor sport.

In an extraordinary turn of events yesterday, MI5 was forced to deny through Whitehall channels that the orgy had been a “sting” that it had set up to discredit Mosley. “Any suggestion that the service was involved in setting up Mosley is total nonsense,” a senior Whitehall official said.
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The official did disclose, however, that one of MI5’s officers had left the agency after his wife’s involvement as a call girl in the orgy became known. “I cannot talk about individual cases, but we do expect high standards of behaviour from all staff at all times, both professionally and privately,” the official said.

“In any case where a member of staff is believed to have fallen below those standards, action will be taken.”

The officer is understood to be in his forties and to have served in the military before joining MI5, where he was involved in surveillance operations.

The disclosure is a severe embarrassment to Jonathan Evans, director-general of MI5, who is understood to have informed Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith, the home secretary, and assured them the agency was not involved in any sting.

Questions will now be asked about why the service’s vetting procedures failed to expose the secret, which could have made the officer vulnerable to blackmail.

Mosley, who is 68 and has been married since 1960, is one of the most powerful men in world sport. His father was a hate figure who led the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s and 1940s. His mother was the society beauty Diana Mitford, a great admirer of Adolf Hitler.

When the story broke, Mosley said he had been told by a source close to the security services that he had been targeted in a covert investigation of his private life “by a group specialising in such things for reasons and clients as yet unknown”.

The F1 boss’s five-hour sex session with the five call girls took place in an underground “torture chamber” in Chelsea, west London. The Oxford-educated former barrister is alleged to have re-enacted a concentration camp scene in which he played the role of both guard and inmate.

The session is alleged to have involved prostitutes dressed as German officers and camp inmates. It was secretly caught on video by one of the call girls, who used the name Mistress Abi. Sources said it was Abi’s husband who worked for MI5 and that she sold the story to the News of the World newspaper for an undisclosed sum. According to the paper, Mistress Abi wore a Luftwaffe uniform during the session and oversaw beatings of Mosley.

In the video Mosley can be seen standing naked as Abi ties him up with chains before ordering him to lie face down on the bed. Later she screams: “Face down! Did I say move? We don’t want you comfortable.”

Mosley was condemned by Jewish groups and leading figures in the motor racing world. He was snubbed by the crown prince of Bahrain, who told him not to attend the Bahrain Grand Prix last month.

Sir Jackie Stewart, the former world motor racing champion, said that Mosley’s position was “untenable”. The Monaco royal family, the Grimaldis, have made it clear that he is not welcome at next Sunday’s showpiece grand prix in the principality.

Mosley has been unapologetic and has claimed that he needs to stay on to fight the Nazi allegations in a libel action. He denied the orgy had any Nazi theme and said it was “harmless” and “completely legal”. Disclosure of the MI5 officer’s role appears to be his latest tactic in a desperate attempt to save his job. “This is an astonishing piece of information, which I will pass on to my legal advisers,” he said last night.

The News of the World denies there was any collusion between itself and the secret services.

MI5 employs 3,500 people in the fight against Al-Qaeda and hostile powers and prides itself on its discretion. It has been horrified to discover that an officer has become involved, even indirectly, in a high-profile sex scandal.

The service will have been forced to conduct a thorough review of the officer’s work and personal life to establish whether he has put any state secrets at risk.

Security sources say that in any case where an MI5 officer or a close family member is involved in prostitution there is a risk that their integrity — and hence national security — could be compromised.

One official said: “Clearly there would be a conflict there for any member of the service. Prostitutes by the very nature of their business will be connected to people who are probably in the criminal fraternity.”

An internal MI5 investigation is trying to establish whether the officer knew his wife was involved in prostitution and whether he was involved in her business affairs.

The matter is also being examined by the Quest security company, run by Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, the former Metropolitan police commissioner who investigated the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. Quest was already working for the FIA when it was asked to investigate the Mosley affair.

Mosley is facing a confidence vote in a secret ballot of the 220 members of the FIA assembly in Paris on June 3. He has written to the presidents of member clubs painting a doomsday scenario if he is forced out of office. He says he needs to stay at the helm of the Formula One governing body until October next year in the interests of the sport.

The suggestion of MI5 involvement in the Mosley scandal will bring back echoes of the role that the spy service had in monitoring his father. Documents released by the Public Records Office in 2002 showed how the intelligence agency had planted unnamed informants inside the British Union of Fascists. They reported on him until his arrest and detention in 1940.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun May 18, 2008 5:19 pm

More interesting information here, about this and other cases, and about the possible use of sexual blackmail by the Mossad in Britain, starting with Harold Wilson:

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2008/05/s ... spies.html
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Postby tal » Sun May 18, 2008 6:51 pm

Mosley is facing a confidence vote in a secret ballot..



When do WE get to participate in a confidence vote on MI5?
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Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun May 18, 2008 7:03 pm

An internal MI5 investigation is trying to establish whether the officer knew his wife was involved in prostitution


Oh, come on.

The News of the World denies there was any collusion between itself and the secret services.


Murdoch-owned sister rag of the Times? No. never.
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Re: MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun May 18, 2008 8:02 pm

Thanks for the info, hava. This is fascinating stuff.

hava1 wrote:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article3953837.ece

MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal
David Leppard

"Sir Jackie Stewart, the former world motor racing champion, said that Mosley’s position was “untenable”."


Interestingly, Sir Jackie would appear to have his own little intelligence links. See the tiny piece of reporting here from the F1 News on the firing of a man called Richard Tomlinson from his racing team back in the day.

http://grandprix.com/ns/ns01405.html
DECEMBER 22, 1997
...Tomlinson follows

RICHARD TOMLINSON, who worked as a buyer with Stewart Grand Prix this season, has been jailed for 12 months under Britain's Official Secrets Act. Tomlinson joined Stewart after a career with the Secret Intelligence Service. He was fired in 1995 and decided to write a book about his adventures, including details of MI6's training techniques and some of its operations. Tomlinson pleaded guilty to the charges but argued that his disclosures were not aimed at endangering national security but at drawing attention to his grievances resulting from his dismissal.

The entire bizarre story of Tomlinson has been something of an embarrassment to Stewart Grand Prix.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/aug/2 ... rtinbright

British intelligence agents landed a job for renegade spy Richard Tomlinson with the Formula One motor racing team owned by Jackie Stewart, the former Grand Prix champion and friend of Prince Charles.

The deal was part of a pact MI6 made with Tomlinson in 1996 aimed at stopping the former agent from revealing secrets about the workings of Britain's intelligence services. The deal also involved a loan from MI6 of several thousand pounds to help Tomlinson pay off his debts....

Tomlinson worked in the marketing department of Stewart's team from May 1996 until he left in November to travel to Australia. It was then that the authorities discovered he was trying to publish a book about his work in MI6.

Last night Stewart confirmed he gave Tomlinson a job but said he was unaware of any links with the intelligence community.

'I was approached through a friend who said he knew someone who wanted a job,' Stewart told The Observer last night. 'He was a very personable man and very good academically. It was quite a long time ago and from memory I think he had something to do with the Foreign Office, but I can't be sure.'

After being sacked by MI6 for allegedly 'going on frolics of his own', Tomlinson left for Spain in early 1996. The intelligence service promised him a job and immunity from prosecution if he kept quiet.

Tomlinson claims he was given a 'dull job' in marketing and quickly became frustrated...


I suppose it's well-known that both MI5 and MI6 have plenty of doors open to them if they want to install an ex-agent (or even a current agent) in any number of companies, with or without the knowledge of the companies' owner, but Sir Jackie's pleadings of faulty memory don't convince me.

Tomlinson is all over the web nowadays with the inevitable Diana, Bosnia, Shayler links.

With everything going on right now it makes me wonder just how "penetrated" Formula 1 is, and why it should be so.
I suppose it's obvious in a way... the sport of the elite, big money, big names, sponsored by the biggest of big banks (JP Morgan, Lehman brothers, Bayerische Landesbank - through a Jersey-based fund no less!) the cars often built or sponsored by the biggest of big defence companies, and of interest to them even when developed by dedicated motorsports outfits, etc.

I don't know, I just find all this interesting - the first time F1 has ever interested me in the least. Hope this story runs and runs. It's also the first time I've ever wanted to shout "Mosley FTW!"

One official said: “Clearly there would be a conflict there for any member of the service. Prostitutes by the very nature of their business will be connected to people who are probably in the criminal fraternity.”"


God forbid that our security services should ever associate with criminal elements! :roll:

The matter is also being examined by the Quest security company, run by Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, the former Metropolitan police commissioner who investigated the death of Diana, Princess of Wales. Quest was already working for the FIA when it was asked to investigate the Mosley affair.


We can expect no truth from that quarter, sadly.

Mosley is facing a confidence vote in a secret ballot of the 220 members of the FIA assembly in Paris on June 3. He has written to the presidents of member clubs painting a doomsday scenario if he is forced out of office.


Who's the likely beneficiary if Mosley is forced out?
Sir Jackie Stewart (and prob. Bernie Ecclestone too).

http://msn.foxsports.com/motor/story/81 ... much-power

Sir Jackie Stewart has reiterated calls for Max Mosley to resign as president of the FIA.

Mosley's position as the head of the FIA has become increasingly untenable after a tabloid published a lurid sex video, which allegedly had "Nazi connotations."

However, three-time world champion Stewart believes Mosley will cling on to power when the FIA's General Assembly votes on June 3.

"I have put a $100 bet with a friend that Mr Mosley wins the vote because he holds so much power and influence - too much for one man," Sir Jackie told The Telegraph. "But big trees do sometimes blow over: it all depends on the strength of the wind."

"I believe Mr Mosley is doing untold damage to motor sport. He is destabilising the sport and threatening its commercial viability because multi-national corporations will not want to be associated with a sport whose president has brought it into disrepute in the manner that he has."
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun May 18, 2008 8:23 pm

And this "Nazi" themed event flares up in the press again while Bush is getting keyword "Nazi" cover during his visit to Israel just by accusing Obama of appeasement.

Timing.

This may be MI5 or MI6 assist to CIA despite the protests.

Because that whole topic of who financed Hitler and supported fascism is messy for the UK, too.
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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun May 18, 2008 9:10 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:And this "Nazi" themed event flares up in the press again while Bush is getting keyword "Nazi" cover during his visit to Israel just by accusing Obama of appeasement.

Timing.

This may be MI5 or MI6 assist to CIA despite the protests.

Because that whole topic of who financed Hitler and supported fascism is messy for the UK, too.


It definitely is. It could even be argued that it is a messier topic in the UK than in the US, since Prescott Bush and other US corporations were doing business with an enemy while he destroyed foreign countries, whereas the Cliveden Set and assorted Royals who sided with Hitler were supporting a man who was bombing their own.

Even the original Mosley was pretty low on the totem pole of those who supported Hitler in the UK - and at times he was an outright embarassment to those who would rather have pursued their "interest" in Nazism more quietly.

BTW, I just had a look at Prescott Bush's Wikipedia page. Someone has been working very hard on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

The order cited only the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Bush was a director and held only one share.

:shock:


The whole page is an incredible whitewash. Fritz Thyssen is spoken of as if he was some kind of anti-Nazi. It's mindbending stuff.
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Postby Jeff » Sun May 18, 2008 10:19 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:And this "Nazi" themed event flares up in the press again while Bush is getting keyword "Nazi" cover during his visit to Israel just by accusing Obama of appeasement.

Timing.


Just what does keyword "Nazi" cover mean, precisely, and how does an MI5 agent's prostitute-wife's role play with Max Mosley help George Bush? Because I think, again, your fixation is leading you away from the story rather than helping you interpret it.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun May 18, 2008 10:45 pm

Jeff wrote:
Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:And this "Nazi" themed event flares up in the press again while Bush is getting keyword "Nazi" cover during his visit to Israel just by accusing Obama of appeasement.

Timing.


Just what does keyword "Nazi" cover mean, precisely,


The answer is in my thread which started as being about normaling into the news cycle the name of a famous double agent but then I realized there could be internet news cycle keyword cover for Bush's trip to Israel and Saudi Arabia-
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=17702

and how does an MI5 agent's prostitute-wife's role play with Max Mosley help George Bush? Because I think, again, your fixation is leading you away from the story rather than helping you interpret it.


You've confirmed all those sources and stories already?:P

Allow me to point out that when this story first broke I said it was a spook story and that the tabloid was spooks or working for spooks.
I WAS RIGHT. According to this follow-up, anyway.

But I think there's still more here than the face value embarrassment of MI5 and I think both the US and UK need attention sponges for certain keywords that are problematic.

I think this "Nazi" sex scandal involving a man with a famous fascist father is the PERFECT decoy attention sponge for both MI6 and CIA to exploit to take the spotlight off of Wall Street and Royal Family problems with that Hitler thing.

So my "fixation," as you put it, is critical thinking using contextual analysis of story themes and keywords and ESPECIALLY timing ...because mainstream media is a tool of spooks.

Often sexy stories are just a Magician's Other Hand move. Especially with the internet serving as nearly instant viral marketing. Spooks have been playing the equivalent of Search Engine Optimization (SEO) games for ages.

Some things are face value but my experience from studying psy-ops is not as much as most think.
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Postby hava1 » Mon May 19, 2008 12:01 am

Thanks Alice, for the link. Regrefully, i get lost in the labyrinth of names I don't recognize. The only one I know of is Mandy Rice_Davis, who was famous here at the time of the PRofumo affair, and became a celebrity. I now realize that this was "one of those cases" and that was the message intended. (the "hero", the national whore that helps Israel, the theme is recurring). I am disgusted. BTW she is now married to a Jewish billionnaire I believe from the USA and is studying Judaism somewhere, she looks good, for her age.

I see this as a deeper cultural problem here, of "pimping" the women for the national/tribal cause, or for "the group". It exceeds the normal intelligence use (which as we see is qute widespread). Perhaps it has to do with certain cultural habits picked up in Eastern Europe diaspora, especially among those sex-slavery infested areas such as Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine.
A mixture of traditional "within the family" commercial trade and national justifications or so. The "quenn esther" and Rahab Me-me's are very powerful in modern nationalism here. Not good news for women.

The Mandy Rice "myth" is meant to subtly influence women to follow that model (and in the end, you are happily married to a rich man, and become a pillar of the community with a flair of "jewish tradition", etc. etc.). This "model" is the feminine counterpart of the "soldier hero". Something like "love your country, become a national whore".
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Postby compared2what? » Mon May 19, 2008 1:45 am

Hugh, what do you think is the function and/or effect, if any, of keyword-play in works of art, as in the the Dallas version of "Less Than Zero"?

Or, in order to set more reasonable boundaries on the question: What do you think is the function and/or effect, if any, of keyword-play in the Dallas version of "Less Than Zero", verily itself?

Here for your reference a LINK to streaming audio.

The reason I ask is:

In general, I agree with you, at least in the spirit of the law, much more often than not. There are certainly occasions when, in the letter of the law, you take a more scenic route to the big-picture destination than I personally deem strictly necessary. But given that I am free to go my own way, I'm not bothered by it, on the grounds that the world would be a very dull place if everyone understood the same ting the same way and expressed their understanding using the same voice and vocabulary as one another all the time.

However, although you rarely make your case based on an interpretation of the extra-KWH-ing aspects of whatever the work in question happens to be, whenever you do, the obverse obtains: I almost never agree with you. For example, your understanding of 2001 and mine are not just divergent from but in stark opposition to each other. And I wonder...I don't know what I wonder, exactly.

I guess I wonder whether you would grant the possibility that the....um, matrix in which the keywords are embedded might convey a message that's either not aligned (or actively at odds) with that sent by the keyword-highjacking, or that not all people necessarily receive the same one. But for the purposes of this thread, I'm just asking about the song, and explaining why I ask, as I don't want to go completely off-topic. In fact, if the question can't be answered without lengthy diversion, I'd be happy to start a new thread. Just let me know.
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Re: MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal

Postby Stephen Morgan » Mon May 19, 2008 4:50 am

hava1 wrote:MI5 linked to Max Mosley sex scandal
David Leppard


Leppard. According to Nick Davies' "Flat Earth News" (excellent book and author) Leppard is known for being dishonest and unscrupulous, for making up stories and for parroting the official line of the Services.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Tue May 20, 2008 8:12 pm

hava said:

Perhaps it has to do with certain cultural habits picked up in Eastern Europe diaspora, especially among those sex-slavery infested areas such as Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine.


This is almost completely off-topic, but I visited Belgrade back in the late 80s, just on transit. One thing that flabbergasted me was that almost everywhere you looked, there were magazines and posters showing hard-core pornographic images, almost all of women. It was impossible to avoid them.

I kept wondering what seeing such images everywhere, does to people. Let alone children.
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Postby hava1 » Wed May 21, 2008 12:15 am

For me, its a reminder that things can be much worse than what we usually criticize (for instance religions). The transition to a totally crude, wild society where only might is right, can be faster than we expect, without serious checks and balances.

The invasion of the eastern european women to western europe and elsewhere indicates that there is demand among the "enlightened' to sex slavery. "Civilization" is very fragile and thin.
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