RIP Sydney Pollack

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Postby Jeff » Tue May 27, 2008 6:51 am

kelley wrote:so far, leaving out the bookends of 'dog day afternoon' and 'before the devil knows you're dead' strains the credibility of these arguments


I think those were by Sidney Lumet. I always get them mixed up, too. But I bet if prodded Hugh would share how his work too is just one big Mockingbird Op.

Hugh wrote:Notice that a Hollywood mystery person was reading 'The Firm' as it was written and before it was published.... But Paramount and the NYTimes bestseller list didn't give this treatment to the 1989 Philip Melanson expose on the USG's murder of MLK, did they?


Your reasoning here would be as hilarious as your insights into the psyops which are Chewbacca and Mr Limpet, except that you're declaiming it on the fresh grave of a decent man.

Mac wrote:Plus The Swimmer, which he co-directed. It made a strong impression on me when I watched it on TV at the age of about 14, but I haven't seen it since. (Anyone here watched it recently?)


That made a lasting impression on me too, about the same age, and I haven't seen it again in a long time.
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American Merkin

Postby IanEye » Tue May 27, 2008 2:02 pm

Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:1989- Philip Melanson puts out a well received MLK book which makes the case Ray couldn't have been a lone perp and the CIA is involved. Titled after the FBI's investigation of MLK's murder-
[url]http://www.amazon.ca/Murkin-Conspiracy-Investigation-Assassination-Martin/dp/0275930297/ref=
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The Murkin Conspiracy: An Investigation Into the Assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, JR. (Hardcover)
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it is impossible for me to hear the word 'murkin' and not think of a little 'ole band from Texas called The Pocket FishRMen:

Simian Dreams

"Wow! What is this? I really like it a lot!" bubbled the pretty young intern as she ran breathlessly into the music offices of the Chronicle to discover the Pocket FishRmen's new CD Simian Dreams in the boombox. I didn't ask if she'd been listening to the words -- I really didn't want to know. Yep, the FishRmen continue to have a miraculous way with a pop-punk-thrash-Kiss melodies, with a distinct style that comes just shy of making each album sound the same, but it's the longtime local band's lyrics -- some insist that calling them "juvenile" would be a compliment -- that lead many would-be fans to dismiss them outright. I've always had a soft spot in my head for these guys, though. After all, they left "over the top" behind in the dust years ago. If they did a song about sex acts with a gorilla, well, that'd just be stupid. Simian Dreams, then, boasts no less than four! And there's a solid three more with the word "merkin" in the title! Do you see where I'm going with this? There's no way the FishRmen could be as stupid as they sound, so I'm betting that one day, we'll be able to decipher secret messages in their songs that will lead us to world peace, space colonization, and eternal life. They just don't think we're ready for it yet.
3 Stars


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Postby professorpan » Tue May 27, 2008 2:54 pm

Your reasoning here would be as hilarious as your insights into the psyops which are Chewbacca and Mr Limpet, except that you're declaiming it on the fresh grave of a decent man.


Indeed. The reflexive hughjacking of the thread is bad enough, but the slander -- against a man who JUST FUCKING DIED -- is appalling.

You are an ugly human being, "Hugh Manatee." And a sniveling coward.
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Postby orz » Tue May 27, 2008 3:44 pm

Hugh this sort of thing is why you will never be anything more than another nut ranting on messageboards. You'll be the first to agree that any insane and illogical idea or downright lie can become popular and acceptable if presented in the right way, but you demonstrate again and again that you are incapable of presenting your ideas in a way that doesn't alienate and irritate. And that's while preaching to the proverbial choir; imagine how much less successful you'd be getting this stuff through to "normal" people.
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Postby Tim Osman » Wed May 28, 2008 4:29 am

"You are an ugly human being, "Hugh Manatee." And a sniveling coward."
Pan, I'd rather listen to Hugh than listen to your drivel. You turn the argument into writing a letter to a well paid government shill rather than debating the merits of the case. Dear Pan, go count your money from your overpaid establishment job.
And Jeff, that UFO shit may sell to the Goobers, but if you put that shit in your book, I'm not paying for it.
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Postby Jeff » Wed May 28, 2008 4:34 am

The way he was

Sydney Pollack was one of the most celebrated filmmakers of the 1970s. His conspiracy-minded movies never stopped questioning authority. He was the mastermind behind the classics that made you think

STEPHEN COLE

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

May 28, 2008 at 12:00 AM EDT

Director-actor-producer Sydney Pollack, who died on Monday in Los Angeles, will be remembered as one of Hollywood's most dependable and interesting 1970s filmmakers. In truth, he never stopped making 1970s-style films.

His signature movie from that decade – Three Days of the Condor (1975) – is a classic liberal paranoia film. Renegade Central Intelligence Agency agents wipe out a New York division of the firm, just missing operative Joe Turner (Robert Redford), who comes back after “them.”

But even Pollack's most popular movie from the seventies, The Way We Were (1973), thought of at the time as a marzipan love story between Redford and Barbra Streisand, is an uneasy meditation on McCarthyism, with beautiful, bland Redford embodying the silent, complacent American majority.

“Maybe you were born committed,” Redford's character, screenwriter Hubbell Gardner, says upon leaving his Marxist rebel lover, Katie Morosky (Streisand). “I can't get negative enough. I can't get angry enough.”

Yes, anger and a burrowing suspicion of institutional authority were defining characteristics of American movies in the era of Watergate and Vietnam. (Think of All the President's Men, Klute, Chinatown and The Parallax View.) Pollack, though, never lost his skepticism about the all-powerful industries of law and government.

It is fitting, then, that the last film he developed, Recount, is a scathing HBO denunciation of the 2000 Bush-Gore election (it is currently showing in Canada on the pay networks TMN and Movie Central). Pollack was to direct the drama, starring Kevin Spacey, but withdrew because of failing health.

Before that, he co-produced and starred in Michael Clayton, a legal thriller every bit as anxious and conspiracy-minded as Three Days of the Condor.

A professional alarmist, Pollack enjoyed a valuable TV apprenticeship, making episodes of The Fugitive and Alfred Hitchcock Presents in the mid-sixties. Upon becoming a feature-film director, he was inevitably drawn to deception and danger.

Even the effervescent comedy Tootsie (1982) is the story of a failed actor (Dustin Hoffman) who takes refuge in a female role. Elsewhere, the filmmaker sought out menacing conspirators in the United Nations ( The Interpreter, 2005, starring Nicole Kidman) and courtly Southern legal institutions ( The Firm, 1993).

Pollack came about his doggedness naturally. His father, a Russian-Jewish immigrant, was a semi-professional boxer. The Indiana-born, New York-trained artist, who once danced with Martha Graham, made his essential professional contact in 1962, acting on the underrated Korean war drama War Hunt. There, he met and became intrigued by fellow actor Redford. (Future filmmaker Francis Ford Coppola was a gofer on the shoot.) Pollack and Redford would go on to become friends while making seven films together: This Property is Condemned, Jeremiah Johnson, The Way We Were, Three Days of the Condor, The Electric Horseman, Out of Africa and Havana.

Pollack saw America in Redford. And the blond star would always play a variation on the same character for Pollack: the uncertain, all-American hero for whom “everything was too easy” – a line from The Way We Were that Redford liked so much he used it again in his film Quiz Show. “[Robert Redford] has been particularly interesting to me because of his complexity,” Pollack once explained to British journalist Geoffrey Macnab. “He has this golden-boy exterior, but there's something very dark which comes out in his performances.”

Few filmmakers enjoy a career that lasts into their 70s. Pollack, who died from cancer at the age of 73 with a full slate of projects on the go, was the exception. He was lucky enough to have a sustaining, endlessly fascinating theme: the dangerous business that is America. He was also a born collaborator who produced or co-produced close to 50 films – projects as diverse as The Fabulous Baker Boys, Heaven and The Talented Mr. Ripley, There was more: Pollack was a fast, funny actor who brought a grainy authenticity to the screen, usually playing businessmen who enjoy getting their way. Tilda Swinton won an Academy Award for Michael Clayton, but Pollack delivered a more knowing and subtle performance. His Marty Bach, the affable, pragmatic, wholly corrupt senior partner of George Clooney's wayward law firm, was the beating heart of the film. Asked why he interrupted his own filmmaking career to act for Stanley Kubrick ( Eyes Wide Shut) and Woody Allen ( Husbands and Wives), Pollack replied, “Because I wanted to see how they work. I was curious.”

That curiosity helped make Sydney Pollack a director who mattered. If nothing else, he noticed that The Way We Were in 1973 wasn't much different from The Way We Are Now.

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Postby smiths » Wed May 28, 2008 4:35 am

i have the read the first post,

an i think i can hear the last post
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Postby Jeff » Wed May 28, 2008 4:41 am

Tim Osman wrote:
And Jeff, that UFO shit may sell to the Goobers, but if you put that shit in your book, I'm not paying for it.


Deal.

You know what's funny? I'm paying for this website so I can read you.
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Postby IanEye » Wed May 28, 2008 7:48 am

Tim Osman wrote:"You are an ugly human being, "Hugh Manatee." And a sniveling coward."



Welcome to the Discussion Board, Tim! How is your falconry these days?
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Postby orz » Wed May 28, 2008 8:02 am

Nice first post Tim. :roll:
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed May 28, 2008 8:45 am

professorpan wrote:
You are an ugly human being, "Hugh Manatee." And a sniveling coward.


Leave out the ad hominems, please

I enjoyed him in Michael Clayton and Eyes Wide Shut - I thought he was a fine actor.
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Postby professorpan » Wed May 28, 2008 9:08 am

Hi, Tim, pleased to meet you, too.

And sorry, timid and oh-so-sensitive board members, but as long as Hugh continues his barrage of unwarranted ad hominem attacks against other people (in this case, a guy who just died) I'll turn around and give it right back to him. Instant karma's a bitch.
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed May 28, 2008 9:31 am

professorpan wrote:Hi, Tim, pleased to meet you, too.

And sorry, timid and oh-so-sensitive board members, but as long as Hugh continues his barrage of unwarranted ad hominem attacks against other people (in this case, a guy who just died) I'll turn around and give it right back to him. Instant karma's a bitch.



I have not come across Hugh making ad hominems - he might say lots of things you dont agree with, though.

Since when did *you* become the mighty dispenser of karma?
A sherriff AFAIK is supposed to ensure justice and not act like a vigilante - the karma is surely between Hugh and Pollock, anyway?
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Sydney Pollack's movies.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed May 28, 2008 1:28 pm

Anyone care to actually discuss Sydney Pollack's movies? That's what I'm doing.

I forgot to mention 'The Firm's' fiction mirror of other civilians killed by the USG over Vietnam just like MLK, Kent State. This serves as another subtle thematic trigger for the MLK spin mirrors. (Is this in Grisham's novel or just Pollack's movie?)

Tom Cruise finds out that four lawyers have just died mysterious deaths, one of them named "Alice Kraus."

Allison Krause is the best known name of the four students shot dead by National Guard troops during Vietnam War protests at Kent State in 1970.

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The talent and fame of today's fiddle player of the same name (slight spelling difference) has been a god-send for displacing this ugly USG history in the minds of recruitable country music fans.

I could line out the mnemonic bullshit in the four other Pollack movies I redlined, too.
That Globe and Mail characterization of Pollack was laughable.

Redford, like other guaranteed box office draws, was in psy-ops scripts to apply his beauty to ugly things like CIA and assassination programs like Operation Condor.
Cute meme-reversal in 'Three Days of the Condor.' CIA agents as victims. sheesh.

And it seems that Pollack was central to this process for years.
Now he's dead. How many are dead because of his propaganda movies?
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Postby professorpan » Wed May 28, 2008 1:33 pm

I have not come across Hugh making ad hominems - he might say lots of things you dont agree with, though.


Oh, come now. You must be kidding. Please don't make me go through the agony of searching through all of the posts in which Hugh accuses people of being CIA agents, CIA propagandists, deliberate liars, cowardly enablers of the CIA, etc. etc. etc. If someone directs a film, writes the screenplay, or stars in the film, chances are Hugh will toss the "CIA shill" label at him.

How amusing that you don't see that as an ad hominem attack.

Since when did *you* become the mighty dispenser of karma?


I never claimed to be mighty -- I'm just a lowly Pez dispenser of message board karma.

A sherriff AFAIK is supposed to ensure justice and not act like a vigilante - the karma is surely between Hugh and Pollock, anyway?


Hugh has maligned a good and trusted friend of mine, Douglas Rushkoff, as a CIA shill. He slimed a person I invited to this board, accusing him of being a disinfo agent, and the guy said "To hell with this crap" and bailed. So, yeah, it is kind of personal for me. I'm tired of him getting away with it.

Plus, the simple ugliness of slandering a well-respected director who just DIED should repulse any sane and compassionate person.

So I guess your friend, the manatee, can say anything he wants -- even the most ugly and baseless accusations -- but it's not okay to reflect a little of that ugliness back at him?

Sorry, I don't buy that. And as long as he keeps slandering and labeling people CIA shills, I won't bite my tongue calling him out on it.
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