nathan28 said:
Just reading this thread I am going to have to buy a "Send in the clones" Atta story. Too many breadcrumbs in too many places. One of those places, though, is the Venice, FL airport. Stripper girlfriend or not, Rudi Dekker flying in 43 lbs (over 19,000 g) is proximity to organized crime.
The Atta story is a mind-bending labyrinth -- to do it justice would require the kind of resources that I or anybody here could only dream of having. It's enough to say that for the first 23 years of his life, Mohamed Atta was a totally nondescript, absolutely typical middle-class Egyptian kid. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that he was anything other than a shy, sheltered engineering graduate with minimal social skills who, like many others, had no particular political loyalties and only the kind of basic religious faith that's taken for granted here.
Even the claim, in the sensationalist and misleading words of the Cooperative Research headline that in 1990 "Mohamed Atta Joins Muslim Brotherhood Linked Group" is a laughable stretch: the so-called "Muslim Brotherhood Linked Group" is the Egyptian Union of Engineers, which all engineers join upon graduation in order to become eligible for things like subsidized medical insurance and pensions (my own late father, a totally apolitical Christian, was a member, like all other Egyptian engineers). The engineers' union also runs a subsidized sporting club with restaurants and recreational facilities where members can enjoy themselves for a reasonable price.
Again, from the Cooperative Research site (cue sinister music):
1995: Hijacker Atta Still Connected to Group Linked to Muslim Brotherhood
In a three-month trip to his hometown of Cairo, Egypt, 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta demonstrates that he is still a member of an engineering syndicate linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (see 1990). He takes the two Germans students he is traveling with, Volker Hauth and Ralph Bodenstein, to the syndicate’s eating club. According to Hauth, Atta does nothing during the trip he knows about that suggests he is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, but the group’s influence on the club is obvious. [Washington Post, 9/22/2001] A former CIA officer who served undercover in Damascus, Syria, will later say, “At every stage in Atta’s journey is the Muslim Brotherhood.”
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Dum-dum-DUM!! Hilarious.
Yet, that's all they could come up with, regarding Atta's life in Egypt.
Back to 1992. Then came the fateful meeting with an anonymous German couple who, according to the Chicago Tribune, had
"...stayed with friends who knew Atta's father, who was prodding his son to pursue graduate studies aboard.
His father's friends introduced Atta to the German couple, who spoke with the family in English. Atta, who had recently graduated with a degree in architectural engineering from the University of Cairo, told the couple he wanted to study architecture in Germany, but he had no particular idea where he should go.
"In this first conversation, we suggested he continue his studies in Hamburg and offered him a place to live at our house," the wife told investigators from the BKA, the German equivalent of the FBI. "He accepted this offer right away."
After studying German in Cairo, Atta arrived in the country on July 24, 1992, according to investigators' records. He moved into a rent-free room in the couple's small house in a quiet, middle-class neighborhood where children play in the street.
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From 1992, when he arrived in Germany and stayed with the German couple for a few months, then moved to student housing, until 1995, everything about Mohamed Atta makes sense, except for one bizarre thing about his official nationality that I'll bring up later.
But then, he abruptly disappeared in 1995 without any explanation,
even to his close friend and fellow architecture student Volker Hauth, with whom he had traveled on academic trips in the summer of 1994 to Istanbul, and for three weeks in Aleppo and three months in Cairo to study Islamic architecture in 1994 and 1995. The trips were paid for by the same organization, the Carl-Duisburg Gesellschaft, that had brought Atta to Germany in the first place.
His co-workers at Plankontor, where he worked part-time, were informed about his 'pilgrimage' via a postcard from Saudi Arabia. According to them, when Atta returned after six months' absence (the "Hej" takes 3 weeks maximum), he sported a beard, and seemed more 'religious'.
This mysterious 'pilgrimage' in 1995 marks the beginning of many unexplained absences, including one for 15 months in 1997, which he explained as 'family visits'.
At the same time, his friend Volker Haupt said that Atta never mentioned that he had been on a pilgrimage:
It is at this point [upon his return from the pilgrimage - Alice] that odd gaps begin to open up in his life and the first evidence appears of his dissembling. Helga Rake at Plankontor said that he was absent for half of 1995 and that he said he had taken time out to make the pilgrimage to Mecca and return home. But Hauth said that neither on their subsequent visit to Cairo, nor at any time over the next few months, did the Egyptian mention a pilgrimage. This is all the more extraordinary given the German's keen interest in religion. 'It was the very basis of our relationship', he said.
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It was after Atta's first disappearance that everything seemed to change.
By 1996, the two friends had lost touch.
I wonder if sometime during the period between 1995 and 1997, the two 'Mohamed Attas' were both in Germany, leading parallel lives...a practice run, as it were, for the double, and a chance to fine-tune his impersonation with acquaintances of Atta. After the beard, 'Atta' later began to dress in flowing robes and wear a skull-cap, possibly to establish his fanatic credentials, and possibly to disguise any minor differences that might be noticeable to anyone who was familiar with the real Atta.
A female student who had occasionally chatted to [Atta] in 1994 to 1995 and knew him to be very reserved with women, was shocked when she saw him again in 1999: "He completely ignored me, twice, walked right past me, as if I didn't exist."
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/arti ... hp?id=5362
The fake Atta's absences appear to coincide with his sightings at the former U.S. Air Force base in the Philippines in 1998 and 1999, where he was witnessed with a different girl in his room every night, drinking Johnny Walker Black Label whiskey and generally indulging in a bizarrely un-Islamic bacchanalia, at the same time being noticed for his abrupt rudeness, his stinginess and his secretiveness, along with a close-knit group of similarly party-hearty "Arab" men (Mista'aravim, perhaps getting a little R & R in the relative privacy and security of a former U.S. Air Force base run by retired American military personnel all the way in the Philippines? Duh.).
But where could the real Mohamed Atta have been? Who knows? There are reports of yet another Mohamed Atta registered at a medical school in Spain:
1997 or 1998: Atta in Two Places at Once?
Mohamed Atta, from a January, 1996 Egyptian passport photo. Spanish newspaper El Mundo later reports, “According to several professors at the Valencia School of Medicine, some of whom are forensic experts, [Mohamed Atta] was a student there in 1997 or 1998. Although he used another name then, they remember his face among the students that attended anatomy classes.” It is also suggested that “years before, as a student he went to Tarragona. That would explain his last visit to Salou [from July 8-19, 2001], where he could have made contact with dormant cells…”(see July 8-19, 2001) [El Mundo (Madrid), 9/30/2001] If this is true, it would contradict reports concerning Atta’s presence as a student in Hamburg, Germany, during this entire period. There is also a later report that in 1999 Atta will meet an al-Qaeda operative in Alicante, less than 100 miles from Valencia (see 1999).
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You'd figure that the FBI would have checked this out, but this story, like so many others about the many places of Mohamed Atta, is simply allowed to dangle inconclusively.
At the same time that Atta is a student in Germany and possibly in Spain, not to mention living it up at the Woodland Hotel in the Philippines, he is, according to the FBI, traveling on at least two occasions to Prague.
But wait:
1998: Atta Possibly Trains at Base Conducting Pilotless Aircraft Exercises
A military report released this year describes the “Joint Vision 2010” program, a series of “analyses, war games, studies, experiments, and exercises” which are “investigating new operational concepts, doctrines, and organizational approaches that will enable US forces to maintain full spectrum dominance of the battlespace well into the 21st century.” “The Air Force has begun a series of war games entitled Global Engagement at the Air War College, Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama.” The same report mentions that the military is working on a “variety of new imaging and signals intelligence sensors, currently in advanced stages of development, deployed aboard the Global Hawk, DarkStar, and Predator unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs)…” [US Department of Defense, 1998]
Global Hawk is a technology that enables pilotless flight and has been functioning since at least early 1997. [US Department of Defense, 2/20/1997] While it may be mere coincidence, “Air Force spokesman Colonel Ken McClellan said a man named Mohamed Atta—which the FBI has identified as one of the five hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11—had once attended the International Officer’s School at Maxwell/Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, Ala.” But he adds that “there [was] discrepancies in the biographical data” (mainly the birth date) and that “it may just be a case of mistaken identity” (see also 1996-August 2000 and September 15-17, 2001) [Gannett News Service, 9/17/2001; Gannett News Service, 9/20/2001]
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Wowza. And all that's not counting all the training in 'a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan', during 1998 or 1999, or, according to the videotape found by the British Sunday Times, in January 2000:
The tape, according to the Sunday Times, is the only video that shows the two men together, reports CBS News foreign correspondent Richard Roth.
The British newspaper says the video was made on January 18, 2000, at an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. A few days earlier, Osama Bin Laden had been addressing a group of his followers at the same training ground, reports Roth, including Ramzi Bin-Alshibh, the so-called coordinator of 9/11. Captured in 2002, Bin-Alshibh is now a prisoner a Guantanamo Bay.
The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video "through a previously tested channel" but gave no further details. It said sources from al-Qaeda and the United States had confirmed the video's authenticity on condition of anonymity.
It shows Atta and Jarrah sitting on the floor, and alternates between tight shots including only their faces and wider images which show what appears to be a gun propped up on the wall next to them. Both men have full, dark beards.
Atta wears a dark sweater or sweat shirt with a zipped-up collar and light-colored stripe pattern on the arms. He tries on a traditional Afghan cap at one point, then tosses it aside.
Jarrah is in a long white robe and wire-frame glasses, which he later removes.
CBS News
Interesting that this CBS News article neglects to mention the little fact that the video...had no sound. Just two faces smiling and laughing and reportedly making their last will and testament, silently.
Just as strange, are the conflicting reports, that Mohamed Atta was registered as a citizen of the United Arab Emirates since 1992 (!!!), which means that he was registered in Germany under a false identity long before he was 'radicalized', and which are absolutely contradicted by other reports that he was registered as an Egyptian in Germany, and only claimed to be from the UAE
upon his arrival in the U.S. in 2000. Then again, he reportedly claimed to others at the aviation school in Florida, that he was a Saudi prince. Sounds like he became a pathological liar, not to mention a bit of a ham (pardon the pun) and an alcoholic, a blasphemer (Qurans in bars etc.), a gambler and a sex fiend (despite his close friends describing him as not interested in women)
after he found God, in contrast to his rather staid life-long character before.
Although lead hijacker Mohamed Atta is Egyptian and is known to some German acquaintances as such, he registers as a UAE national in Hamburg. This will be confirmed after 9/11 by Hamburg’s interior minister, Olaf Scholz, who will say that his UAE nationality was recorded in the Ausländerzentralregister, a federal data base with personal data of foreign residents and asylum seekers. (BBC 9/13/2001; Erlanger 9/17/2001; Hamburg Interior Ministry 9/23/2001)
Commenting on this after 9/11, the Observer will say, “In many respects, though, he led not one life, but two. He repeatedly switched names, nationalities and personalities. If… in the US, he was Mohamed Atta, then at the Technical University of Harburg, he was Mohamed el-Amir. For the university authorities, he was an Egyptian, yet for his landlord, as for the US authorities, he was from the United Arab Emirates. And while it is not hard to see Atta, whose face gazes out from the passport photograph released by the FBI, as that of the mass murderer of Manhattan, el-Amir was a shy, considerate man who endeared himself to Western acquaintances.” (Hooper 9/23/2001)
It is unclear how or why Atta registered as a UAE national. In addition, throughout most of his time in Germany Atta is registered under a name variant, Mohamed el-Amir, and only registers using his full name after obtaining a new passport (see Late 1999), three weeks before leaving Germany for the US (see June 3, 2000). (US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division 7/31/2006)
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Here, I really should explain something about the supposedly false name, Mohamed al-Amir, as opposed to his 'true' name, Mohamed Atta. The way it works in Egypt, is, say your first name is John, and your father's first name is Michael, and your grandfather's first name is David. If you are Egyptian, your official name in Egypt, the one that appears on your official documents, is therefore "John Michael David". When only a first and last name are required, your name will be "John Michael".
When applying for things like visas and passports, particularly to North America, they specify that you should put your first name and the last name that appears on your official documents. In that case, you would put 'John David'. Mohamed Atta's father was named 'al Amir', so his name in Egypt, the one he'd gone by all his life, would have been 'Mohamed al-Amir'. When applying for a visa to the U.S., he would have put 'Mohamed Atta'. Nothing sinister about that, although it appears too complicated for many Western investigative journalists to figure out.
What makes no sense at all is the part about him being registered as a citizen of the UAE when he went to Germany in 1992 as a wide-eyed 23 year old with no agenda other than to profit from the wonderful opportunity offered by the scholarship to pursue his education. And yet, this is confirmed by Germany's Interior Ministry...
Just one final point about Atta and his uncanny ability to be in two places at the same time: according to the FBI, he only went to the U.S. for the first time in June 2000, after receiving his first American visa on May 18, 2000.
But
Able Danger reportedly identified Mohamed Atta as a member of a "Brooklyn cell" of possible terrorists in February and March of 2000 (Able Danger was shut down in February 2001 and its documents destroyed 90 days later.
KLEINSMITH: I deleted that data roughly May, June time frame of 2000.
SPECTER: May, June 2000.
And did somebody instruct you to delete the information?
KLEINSMITH: We were visited by INSCOM's general counsel, and the man was named Tony Gentry. But he was only there 10 days prior to remind me of the intelligence regulation that we are operating under....
So that while we were shut down, we were unable to do any other further analysis, vetting of data or investigation into the data that we had polled.
Because of that, the 90-day mark had hit and he came back down to remind me again, and it was more of a friendly visit not an adversarial visit, and that was when he told me jokingly, "Remember, delete this data, or you guys will go to jail." And that's ha-ha, very funny -- understanding completely we abide by the regulation so we deleted the data and destroyed the charts...
quoted
here.
You've got to wonder why it was so important that all documents related to Able Danger be destroyed, if they didn't contain the information that a "Mohamed Atta' meeting the description of the real Mohamed Atta was already in the U.S. This would have presented a big problem, since Mohamed Atta officially had not even applied for a visa to the U.S., and could be verified to be living in Germany at the time he was supposedly part of the 'Brooklyn cell'. Moreover, as I mentioned earlier, he had never used the name 'Mohamed Atta' before applying for a U.S. visa in May 2000.
The official story is that Able Danger did not, and could not have identified Mohamed Atta in February and March of 2000, and that even if it had identified him as a member of the 'Brooklyn Cell', this did not necessarily mean that he was physically in Brooklyn, since he could have been identified through telephone or other contacts with the other members.
But then, what about
Johnelle Bryant's surreal meetings with 'Mohamed Atta' in April or early May 2000?
For another bizarre tale of doubles and identity theft, perhaps even more dramatic as a totally unbelievable case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, check out
The Two Ziad Jarrahs. It broke my heart.
Phew! I'm totally sick of this, and I've only covered part of Atta's story up to June 2000.
Having chased the elusive Atta ghost in his various guises all over the net, I feel like a sucker. Which I am. Chasing the fake 'hijackers' is for rubes and people with far too much time on their hands, because it leads exactly nowhere. Certainly not to the actual planners and perpetrators of the September 11 attacks. These required an incredible level of access inside the military, financial and political establishment of the United States -- they were an inside job in the deepest meaning of the term. Al Qaeda had nothing to do it. Al Qaeda is the cover story. The misdirection. The smokescreen. Because even the tsunami of data about the fake 'hijackers' and their globe-trotting adventures yields exactly nothing, NOTHING that implicates them in the September 11 attacks. Nothing.
The bottom line is this: don't look at the birdie. Ask the four magic questions: who benefited? who had the motive, the means and the opportunity to carry out 9/11 and then confiscate and destroy the incriminating physical and other evidence? (WTC steel, airplane flight recordings, flight manifests, computer hard drives, amateur and cctv videos, etc.)
Anything else is just a waste of time.
"If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the oppressed and loving the people doing the oppressing." - Malcolm X
by GM Citizen » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:15 pm 
