chemtrail activity

[anonymouse]

Contrails can persist for hours if atmospheric conditions are right (high humidity, light or no wind). I'll admit to being skeptical about the whole chemtrail thing -- haven't seen any conclusive evidence, just a lot of anecdotes. I'm willing to be persuaded, though... <p></p><i></i>

[banned]

I had a breakdown after 9/11 and I've never been back up to where I was before. I've felt surrounded by Evil, in my own life and in the wider world, as I never have before in my half century on the planet. I have inherited depression anyway and when I go down, I fear this time I won't come back up.<br><br>But without being a Pollyanna or dismissing the seriousness of your feelings or the perilousness of the state of the world, the world has always been a pretty scary place for most of recorded history. People could have said "Wow, why bother, Rome is falling", or "What's the point, I hear Genghis Khan just sacked the next town and is headed our way," or "What's the point, this war (whatever war) is going to consume us all."<br><br>Awhile ago I read a GREAT article which unfortunately I now can't find, I'm not even sure who wrote it, I think Mark Morford in the San Francisco Chronicle; anyway, the author basically said, if we don't continue to live, and to affirm the positive values of life, THEY WIN. It reminded me of a wonderful book I read in my late teens called " Crossing: A Journal of Survival and Resistance in World War II" by Jan Yoors, about the author's experiences with the Rom (gypsies) in WWII (his first book was called "The Gypsies"). As you know, the Nazis targeted the Rom. Their way of life was intended to stay as far as possible from the world of the 'gaje' (non-gypsies) but they were engulfed in it and many were consumed.<br><br>As a kid I had read a book about gypsies written in the 1930s, and as a free spirit chafing in the suburbia of the 1950s and in Catholic school, I had wanted to join them and travel around in their wagon caravans. I had not known then what fate would await my kindred 'free spirits' when they met the death's-head forces of totalitarianism.<br><br>I don't even know if the book is still in print but nowadays it's pretty easy to find OP books on the net. I highly recommend this one.<br><br>Back in 1971 when I first read it, I typed up a page of quotes from that book for inspiration. I probably still have it somewhere.<br><br>There are two I remember, though I can't swear the quotes are exact. They were spoken by Yoors' adoptive father in the tribe in which he had lived.<br><br>"True heroism is to stay alive in the face of danger and dare to love."<br><br>"One day you will learn again to open the closed fist. Only life makes sense."<br><br>By the way, I am a fiction writer and while I wrote quite a bit over the winter of 2001-2, then I dried up. I only started writing again in the last month, and while it may not be the best stuff I've ever done, what matters is that I am CREATING again.<br><br>We will undoubtedly have to fight and destroy our enemies unless we want to hand them the victory, but we have to continue to create and to love the good people in our lives. If it comes to that, may we have the grace of the native warrior to say "This is a good day to die", but until then, don't let the bastards take enoyment of the things that make life worth living away from you while you still have them.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Avalon]

Legitimate jet traffic does not make X's in the sky. And what you are talking about is an unusual pattern for regular air traffic, while we see these particular patterns we call chemtrails consistently behaving in a way that normal air traffic does not.<br><br>Do you live somewhere where there never have been X's and stacks of parallel lines?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[wintler]

Theres a couple of interestingly current reports of US chemtrail spraying in southern Missouri & on North Carolina Coast on George Ure's <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm">urbansurvival.com/week.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br>I for one love that guy for being willing to trust his accumulated instincts and his readers/correspondents more than official sources and received wisdom. I just pray he's wrong on the halfpasthuman front.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

have been thick with them again, seeming to start up soon after Labour Day. Don't think I saw any all summer. Now, the grid pattern is back. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

There were a few over the clouds early this week (trying to keep it from raining; failed attempt) and I saw some cris-crosses today over the Prescott area. They don't happen here in our area very often any more, but back before we put out some REALLY powerful stuff, they happened here all the time, like what most of y'all are describing. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[anonymouse]

How do you know that legitimate jet traffic does not make X's or parallel lines in the sky? At any given time during the day there are over 1000 planes in the air in the continental US. I live within a half hour of a medium-large airport, and I can't say I've ever noticed anything unusual, other than yesterday's F-15 flyover (in preparation for Saturday's football game). Lately it's been dry and breezy, so contrails dissipate pretty quickly. In the summer when it's hazy and humid they linger. <p></p><i></i>

[morganwolf]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"True heroism is to stay alive in the face of danger and dare to love."<br><br>"One day you will learn again to open the closed fist. Only life makes sense."<br><br>By the way, I am a fiction writer and while I wrote quite a bit over the winter of 2001-2, then I dried up. I only started writing again in the last month, and while it may not be the best stuff I've ever done, what matters is that I am CREATING again.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Congrats on the re-emergence of your creativity, banned. And thanks for the quotes and the advice. I will try to find that book.<br><br>Observation: It seems the most inspiring literature is written during times of sorrow and strife. As if words find nourishment, like the scarlet-red poppies of Flanders, in the blood drenched soil of human suffering.<br><br>I've thought about the value of suffering for writers (and all creative people) and how important it is to give it a voice. I wonder why it is so difficult to do that? Does anger usurp the creative force? Is anger the block? It hasn't affected my bloggind that much. Ever since the 2000 election, I find myself engaged in rant after rant. Anger is easy to tap. It's the tender-hearted stuff, the sentimental stuff, that is difficult to write. I almost feel like memoir, and remembering, is a luxury I cannot afford right now. That attitude must be jettisoned or I'll stay dry. Perhaps the flood of tears last night was a purge of sorts. I honestly haven't wept that much in several years. You know what I mean? Where you are gulping and hiccuping and trying to breathe between sobs. One of my writing prof's would likely tell me to begin a journal of suffering, wherefrom I could pull threads to construct life-affirming stories. Because for me, it's all in the epiphany. My essays usually follow that construction - the epiphany is the reader's reward -- and my lesson learned. It's an idea for a project. <br><br>I wonder if the writers here would be interested in starting a thread in the parlour? We could call it Writer's Corner, or whatever, and post whenever any of us need another's perspective/support/ideas. Just a thought. I figure, if we can have a Fire Pit, we could have a Writing Corner. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>About the chem trails: my neighbor was very skeptical, until I began pointing them out to him. Now, he scans the skies, too. These planes are high, too small for regular aircraft, and the just keep criss-crossing. That is not normal air traffic. The result is always the same - the chemtrails end up spreading over the sky, blocking the sun. Horrible. WHY are they doing it????? <p></p><i></i>

[Rigorous Intuition]

Yet Toronto had a clear summer, and the Fall is heavily cross-hatched.<br><br>I make no claims about what it is, but it is, and it's markedly different than normal contrails, and I've seen both in the same sky.<br><br>I'm more confident talking about UFOs and transdimensional entities, which I've never seen, than these things, which I see with my own eyes regularly. <p></p><i></i>

[Connut]

Take a look at this site and Scott Steven's explanations - they are really interesting. And I have to agree with MaryK, my cloudbuster in the back yard and a smaller one at work keeping the sky clearer over my town. However, I bet I'm not the only one in Austin!<br><br>Scott's site: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.weatherwars.info/soho.htm">www.weatherwars.info/soho.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[anonymouse]

Interesting ... yes --- this just convinces me that Scott Stevens is a fabulist. I mean, what can you say about a statement like this, based on some visual anomalies in some GIFs he found on the web? "This massive antenna is focusing, phase changing, gathering, directing, plasma/solar energy with some very advanced engineering intent." Zero evidence, zero credibility. <p></p><i></i>

[vondardenelle]

it was strange, in the Philly region we had had about a week straight of rain and cloudy sky, and then Wednesday was the first clear day in a while and the chemtrails were EVERYWHERE. I was thinking that maybe all the rain had cleared the atmosphere of whatever it was they had been spraying or something.<br><br>it's funny, i was studying photography in the UK during 2001-2002 and this is when i first noticed these. only, i didn't think they were anything possibly malicious. i took lots of really nice b&w photos of them around London. it was only a couple years later I heard about their possible nefarious intent. <br><br>and morganwolf, you've gotta be writing if that's what you want to do. who knows, if the end is nowhere near, it's still good to be good to your soul. and i agree with you, there's seemingly nothing we can do to "win" or even not "lose", but you've got writing, i've got photography- not much, but not nothing, and who knows where you end up. if it's just a better understanding of yourself, then that is pretty incredible. <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I was thinking that maybe all the rain had cleared the atmosphere of whatever it was they had been spraying or something.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good point, accurate observation. The rain has something to do with it, all right.<br><br>People who don't believe in dowsing won't like this, either, but here it is...<br><br>The rainwater is charged, and nullifies the nasties in the atmosphere put there by the chemtrails (we recently got a report that the rain felt "sticky" too.) Particulate, aluminum bits, even biohazards have been found by folks who have had testing done to see what's coming down on us va chemtrails. However, it's hard to find a laboratory that's willing to do this sort of work.<br><br>Anyone here who's familiar with the work done by Dr. Matsuo Emoto on water, is aware that there's water, and then there's Water. How can we tell the difference? That's where the dowsing comes in.<br><br>Any linear object has a positive and a negative, on either end. You can find this by using your trusty pendulum (don't have one? Use a piece of string with your ring on it) and testing.<br><br>First you have to determine which pendulum movement signifies "yes" and "no" for you. Mine used to be a to-and-fro swing for "yes" and a back-and-forth for "no" but now these are Clockwise and Counter-clockwise. Check each end of a new pencil.<br><br>Now, put a drop of rainwater on the pencil and see what changes... --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Not trying to bait anyone into the fire pit, but I have yet to see evidence that anything like a "chemtrail" exists. I lived near an airport from my birth until my 20s, and I've seen all kinds of contrails. Photos of so-called chemtrails look like normal old contrails to me. Differences in atmospheric conditions result in different types of contrails.<br><br>I'd also think a vast, coordinated campaign of chemical spraying via aircraft would be *incredibly difficult* to keep secret, particularly if its as widespread as many assert.<br><br>Here's a skeptical take on the subject:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm">www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/contrails.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Emoto's work is just plain bogus science. A good analysis of it, both pro and con, can be found here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>And pendulums swing according to ideomotor response -- hold a pendulum and think "back and forth" and it will swing back and forth; think "circle" and it will swing in a circle. Using a pendulum to determine anything objective is a waste of time.<br><br>However, I do think there is evidence that dowsing works for some people. <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

Yes, chemtrails do exist. I dunno what they are though.<br><br>Does this look like ordinary jet flight patterns?<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.weatherwars.info/images/chemtrails/contrailslarge1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>http://www.weatherwars.info/chemtrails_2.htm<br>When I lived in a small town, far away from a large airport, there were ALWAYS lots of chemtrails in the sky in all kinds of crazy patterns. Not many commercial jetliners flew over, and certainly not low enough to leave contrails. They weren't crop dusters either.<br><br>Sure, it's a big project. But not beyond the realm of possibility.<br><br>Lately I've seen double streams coming out of both sides of the planes. For whatever reason, they seem to be stepping up the dosages of whatever they're spreading in spiderwebs all over the globe. <br><br>Some say that chemtrails' purpose is to spread disease, such as bird flu. Now I don't know if I buy that!<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.illuminati-news.com/bird-flu.htm">www.illuminati-news.com/bird-flu.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=colquisp>Col Quisp</A> at: 10/21/05 11:45 am<br></i>