Wilbur Whatley wrote:I hope this collapse drives the DJIA all the way to 5000 in the next two weeks, guaranteeing an Obama presidency.
Unfortunately Dow 5000 in the next two weeks would mean certain war, and a McCain presidency.
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Wilbur Whatley wrote:I hope this collapse drives the DJIA all the way to 5000 in the next two weeks, guaranteeing an Obama presidency.
vigilant wrote:For those of you that have sums of money in retirement plans at investment banks, think about this...
There really is no such thing as "insurance" on your money. The FDIC never could, and never will be able to insure your money. That was set up as a cover to hoodwink people into being comfortable with fractional reserve banking.
They loan out ten times the amount of money they actually have. They give you a piece of paper that says, "we have money, give John a car, or a house, he will pay us, and we will pay you"
The money isn't even there. They give you paper, and when you work your butt off and make payments, you give them "real hard cash money" for the thin air they loaned you. Its a way to convert "literally nothing" into real money.
So when you think about it, there is only enough money to insure one tenth of the money in the system, and they damn sure are not gonna give it all away to people who lose their "real dollars" that got stolen by them in the first place....get it?
Proposed Wall St bailout to cost $700bn
By FT reporters [Financial Times, UK]
Published: September 20 2008 17:49 | Last updated: September 20 2008 17:49
The Bush administration sought congressional support Saturday for a $700bn bailout for US financial institutions to quell the turmoil in financial markets.
The plan would allow the government to buy the bad debt of any US institution for the next two years, raising the legal ceiling on the national debt from $10.6 trillion to $11.3 trillion.
President George W. Bush said: “We’re going to work with Congress to get a bill done quickly.” Treasury officials and members of Congress were meeting throughout the weekend to secure broad agreement on the package by the time world markets reopen on Monday. Legislation could pass early next week.
Saying the administration was faced with preventing the collapse of a financial “house of cards”, Mr Bush said: “People are beginning to doubt our system, people were losing confidence and I understand it’s important to have confidence in our financial system.” he said.
He said the risk of doing nothing far outweighed the risk of the package.
He assured taxpayers that over time they would get a lot of their money back. At the height of the presidential election campaign, attention on the crisis has focused on demands that the rescue package should help not only Wall Street but also “Main Street” where ordinary Americans are already faced by foreclosures, job losses, and high food and energy prices.
Martin Wolf
Leading economists propose their solutions to the financial crisis
Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain are vying with each other to convince voters that their plans for the economy have the best chance of succeeding while protecting taxpayers. However, Nancy Pelosi, Democratic speaker of the House has assured the administration Mr Obama’s party is committed to “quick, bipartisan action”.
Charles Schumer, New York Democratic senator, said on Saturday: “This is a good foundation of a plan that can stabilise markets quickly. But it includes no visible protection for taxpayers or homeowners. We look forward to talking to Treasury to see what, if anything, they have in mind in these two areas.”
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Text of the US Treasury’s legislative proposal
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The plan is aimed at restoring confidence in the financial system by allowing US institutions to transfer their bad debt to the government.
The draft legislation would authorize the Treasury to: “purchase, and to make and fund commitments to purchase, on such terms and conditions as determined by the Secretary, mortgage-related assets from any financial institution having its headquarters in the United States.”
Henry Paulson, treasury secretary, who would be charged with executing the bailout plan, said: ”We must now take further, decisive action to fundamentally and comprehensively address the root cause of our financial system’s stresses. The federal government must implement a program to remove these illiquid assets that are weighing down our financial institutions and threatening our economy.”
The action came after stock markets around the world roared their approval on Friday to news of plans for significant government action.
Shanghai surged 9.5 per cent, in the biggest daily gain for seven years, to 2,075.091. Hong Kong ’s Hang Seng gained 9.6 per cent to 19,327.73, breaking a seven-day losing streak. In London the FTSE 100 had its biggest daily gain in its 24-year history, jumping 8.8 per cent, while in New York the S&P 500 closed up 4.0 per cent, having risen 4.3 per cent on Thursday. The rallies in London and the US were partially fuelled by bans on short-selling in financial stocks announced on Thursday night.
The political negotiations on the rescue plan, which followed a week of unprecedented stress in global financial markets, envisage the most extensive peacetime expansion of the role of government in the financial system since the Great Depression and appeared to many to mark the end of an era of Reaganite deregulation.
Hank Paulson, the US Treasury secretary, said the programme would initially cost “hundreds of billions of dollars.” But he added it was far cheaper than the alternative – “a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion”.
In addition, the Bush administration also announced a blanket guarantee on all money market mutual funds, in an effort to curtail a brewing crisis in the $3,500bn (€2,422bn) sector. The Federal Reserve announced new plans to support liquidity in the mutual fund sector.
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telephoneman wrote:Just read that the gov wants to bail out foreign banks. Hmmmm.
Hope this link works.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13690.html
Political wrangle over US bail-out fund
By Krishna Guha, Harvey Morris and Daniel Dombey in Washington and George Parker in Manchester
Published: September 21 2008 19:13 | Last updated: September 21 2008 21:33
A high stakes game of political poker was under way in Washington on Sunday as Congress prepared to vote this week on a plan to create a $700bn fund to buy toxic assets from banks and thereby ease the credit squeeze.
Democratic legislators pressed for a housing programme to be added to the bill and demanded assurances that President George W. Bush would not veto a subsequent second stimulus bill.
The Bush administration was trying to hold out for a “clean” bill that dealt only with the financial rescue, while Republicans in Congress said they would fight a hasty compromise that included many add-ons.
The political negotiations came as Hank Paulson, US Treasury secretary, called on other nations to follow the US lead in tackling the problems in the global financial system.
He said: “I will be pressing my colleagues around the world to design similar programmes for their banks.” The US is not asking other governments to join its proposed fund.
Mr Paulson said the US scheme should be open to all banks with “significant operations” in the US – including foreign banks, even though this may be politically controversial in the US.
“The American people don’t care who owns the financial institution. If the financial institution in this country has problems it has the same impact whether it is US or foreign-owned,” he told ABC’s This Week.
The passage of the legislation is considered essential to avoid a renewed tailspin in world financial markets.
Legislators and administration officials stressed their shared determination to get the legislation passed. But beneath the surface of bipartisan statements there was anger in both camps at what each saw as efforts by the other side to use financial danger to bounce them into policy decisions.
“It’s important that everyone understands the seriousness of the situation we’re in and that we send a very strong signal to the market that this plan will . . . go forward quickly,” said Tony Fratto, White House spokesman.
Nancy Pelosi, the House speaker, earlier asserted: “We will strengthen the proposal by ensuring that the government is accountable to the taxpayers in any future actions.”
Democratic legislators made clear that they would not simply rubber-stamp the Paulson plan. “It needs changes,” Charles Schumer, Democratic senator, said on This Week.
Some legislators from both parties proposed adding measures on corporate governance and executive pay, steps the Treasury fears could undermine banks’ willingness to take part.
“I don’t like the fact that we have to do this. I hate the fact that we have to do this,” Mr Paulson said on Sunday. “But it is better than the alternative.” [What is the alternative?]
Huge bankers’ bonuses came under heavy political fire from Gordon Brown on Sunday, as the City of London’s top watchdog vowed to crack down on pay package deals that fuelled risk-taking.
The [UK] prime minister said “irresponsibility”, driven partly by the bonus culture, had helped trigger the crisis, and that parts of the bonus system were “unacceptable” and had to be tackled.
The FSA, the main City regulator, said it planned to force banks to hold more capital if it felt their bonus structures were leading to excessive risk-taking.
Christine Lagarde, France’s economy minister, also attacked “perverse” pay structures that led to “greedy and blind behaviour”.
Australian regulators on Sunday extended their ban on naked short-selling – not ensuring positions can be covered – to cover all short-selling.
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