Bird Flu now in France

by **Asta** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 6:45 pm

Article buried on page 16 of Sunday Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, two short paragraphs, also acknowledged flu in India (this was also mentioned in the other Bird Flu thread). But now France. I thought there was a vaccine for birds for this virus. O If the avian flu doesn't kill me, my peptic ulcer will.

by **CyberChrist** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:47 am

How many birds? One? Three? Out of how many? millions? Just more scaremongering.

by **Col Quisp** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:34 pm

I hate to flog a dead bird, but every article I see on bird flu (which is several now every effen' day, so I won't bother to repeat the latest doom and gloom headline) closes with this: "The virus has spread from Asia to Europe and Africa, and scientists fear it could mutate into a form that is easily transmitted among humans, sparking a pandemic." Ok, Ok, we get it. Now stop repeating that stupid line, MSM. Bock, Bock! As the spelling-impaired Chik-Fil-A* cow says, "Eat mor chik'n." *For all you Brits, this is a chain of fast food chicken nuggets and other good chik'n bites. We'll miss their food!

by **dbeach** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:37 pm

chickenflu designed by chickenhawks

by **Col Quisp** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:49 pm

Welcome back, dbeach! I was getting worried about you! I lied when I said I would not repeat today's headlines. They are just too scary. A German cat had the bird flu: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4758632.stm">bbc news</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>A domestic cat in Germany has become the first European Union mammal to die of the deadly H5N1 strain of bird flu. The cat was found dead at the weekend on the Baltic island of Ruegen, where dozens of birds infected with H5N1 have been found. Further north, Sweden has detected "aggressive" bird flu in two wild ducks and is testing to confirm H5N1. <hr></blockquote> And the story ends with this tired old line: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>H5N1 does not yet pose a large-scale threat to humans. However, experts fear the virus could mutate and trigger a flu pandemic, potentially putting millions of human lives at risk.<hr></blockquote>

by **greencrow0** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:02 am

This is my take on the effort of the MSM to flog the birdflu. what was it last year? SARS? The illuminati are desperate for a reliable pandemic mechanism to control world population and do selective 'culling'. They've been trying for a decade or more but so far come up empty. Their biggest hope is to somehow spread deadly germs via chemtrails. Just like farmers spread pesticides over their fields. Like I say, so far they've come up empty, but not for want of trying. They're looking for either a germ they can rain down on us from the skys, or [more likely] they're looking for an excuse to vaccinate us against the 'germs that could rain down on us from the skys'. This vaccination will contain some kind of slow release toxin that will cause some sort of 'natural death'...long enough after the vaccination so that nobody will suspect the vaccination itself...Hey, the pharmaceutical companies will make a killing [literally] on sales of such a 'vaccination'.

by **dbeach** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:20 am

ever wonder about who exactly are the scientists making these majic elixers to destroy us? from polio to cancers to aids to sars to chickenflu its all created in labs or we are gettin innoculated with some trigger germs in the school vaccines which lay dormant for yrs until a trigger hits . kinda like Agent Orange is killing VN Vets yrs after exposure I wonder if stress and anxiety act as triggers for many diseases..and the elites rule by fear which is a huge trigger from what I seen of the current rulers there ain't too many einsteins . so who exaclty is creating these diseases and in what labs and how come the honest scientists if working at the same labs are not whislteblowing??

by **StarmanSkye** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:44 am

DBeach said: "from what I seen of the current rulers there ain't too many einsteins . "so who exaclty is creating these diseases and in what labs and how come the honest scientists if working at the same labs are not whislteblowing??" ***** That might be what the whole batch of suspicious microbiologist and bio/scientist deaths in the last several years may have been about -- to eliminate actual or potential whistleblowers AND to send a deadly-serious warning about the hazards of being too outspoken or critical, esp. re: an aspect of disease/pathogen and biowar weapons research that has troubling ethical implications. Recall, about a year ago several academic institutions were named as participating in expanded disease and 'defensive' biowar programs with the building of several more maximum-containment Level -V facilities in partnership with the Dept. of Defense. And there are already indications the US has developed microbe weapons which are prohibited by International agreements the US is signatory to -- and since penalties can be life in Prison, there's ALREADY a lot of incentive for folks who are directly involved to protect their ass. <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0220,kick,34739,6.html">www.villagevoice.com/news...739,6.html</a> U.S. Military Proposes Illegal Bioweapons Research by Russ Kick May 10th, 2002 12:00 PM According to documents unearthed by a nonprofit government watchdog, the United States military has proposed the development of biological weapons that would violate international treaties and federal law. In fact, they may have already developed some of these illegal, treaty-busting bioweapons. Using the Freedom of Information Act, the Sunshine Project has recently pried loose some damning documents from the Marine Corps, which seems to be overseeing this area of research. Exhibit A is a 1997 proposal from the Naval Research Laboratory to create genetically engineered bacteria and fungi that will corrode and degrade enemy matériel, such as roads, runways, vehicles, weapons, and fuel. Then we have the document from Armstrong Laboratories at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas. The flyboys propose much the same thing as the navy—engineered microbes that can destroy enemy equipment, including explosives and chemical weapons. The military scientists take great care to point out that the germs they want to create would be "nonlethal." But this doesn't matter. The international Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention treaty absolutely bans member nations from possessing or developing microbes, toxins, or any other biological agents for use in battle or other hostile situations. (Under the treaty, bioweapons can only be developed for defensive purposes, which is what lets the U.S. government brew anthrax with the supposed goal of developing a vaccine.) The U.S. was one of the original signatories, putting its John Hancock on the treaty in 1972. Yet the navy lab is advocating these super-bugs for blatantly offensive purposes, saying they will "degrade opposing forces' mobility, logistical support and equipment maintenance programs prior to or during military engagements." Likewise, the air force proposal is for bioweapons that would be used to attack enemy forces: "Catalysts can be developed to destroy whatever war matériel is desired. All [military] Services would have an interest." Both proposals claim that the destructive germs wouldn't violate the biological weapons treaty. "That's completely false," says Edward Hammond, a co-founder of the Sunshine Project. He notes that the convention makes no distinction between bioweapons that target humans and those that take out equipment or other targets. "If the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention was limited to humans, it would be disastrous. Weapons that target animals, like livestock, would be legal. Destroying crops would be legal." And let's not forget that the actual use of biological weapons, as opposed to their development, was outlawed way back in 1925 by the Geneva Convention. The military's proposed germ research would violate more than just international treaties. "U.S. federal law explicitly states that biological weapons that attack matériel are illegal," Hammond says. "The penalty is life in federal prison. If they lifted a finger to do this research, they have violated the [Biological and Toxin Weapons] Convention and federal law." Which leads to another crucial point. The military's proposals from five years ago reveal that they already had developed similar bioweapons. The navy lab says it has a fungus that breaks down polyurethanes. In the air force document, Armstrong Laboratories brags that it's been doing "biotechnological research at the molecular level" for eight years. Specifically, it's cooked up a bio-agent that quickly destroys rocket fuel, plastic, and other organic and artificial polymers "without fire or explosion." Does this mean that the military has already violated the bioweapons treaty and U.S. law? "I don't want to comment on that right now," Hammond says. "We're discussing it with lawyers." ***** And how about THIS now-dated wrinkle where China claims SARS was the result of a US bioweapon-research program: <a href="http://www.faluninfo.net/displayAnArticle.asp?ID=7348">www.faluninfo.net/display...sp?ID=7348</a> WND: Mystery Superflu: China Blames U.S. for SARS - Floats Theory Virus Byproduct Of Bioweapon Research (5/13/2003 22:31) (WorldNetDaily)The deadly SARS pandemic, which has claimed more than 500 lives worldwide, originated as a bioweapon in a U.S. research lab, according to the Hong Kong newspaper Wenweipo. The Wenweipo article entitled, "Earliest SARS outbreak suspected in U.S.," cites reports by the Associated Press and Reuters about a 45-year-old woman who became gravely ill on Feb. 9, 2002, while taking part in her mortgage company's annual sales convention near Philadelphia. Her symptoms included headache, fever, chills, vomiting and shortness of breath. After being hospitalized, she died early the next morning. The hospital was placed under a short-term quarantine and more than 80 people suspected of having had close contact with the woman were examined. Seven were held in the hospital for further observation. The newspaper suggested the incident was covered up and speculates it represented the original outbreak of SARS. Several Taiwan media outlets reprinted and broadcast the story. But a Taiwan News editorial debunks the report. It points out the Wenweipo failed to mention that the hospital subsequently announced the woman had apparently died of bacterial pneumonia. SARS, or Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, is a viral disease. The Taiwan News editorial further notes the Wenweipo is a well known mouthpiece for Beijing among China watchers and its editorials and articles frequently serve as "trial balloons" for Beijing policy-makers. It concludes the Wenweipo's "excavation and creative remix of a news story more than a year old" is an attempt by the Chinese Communist Party to deflect criticism for its handling of the epidemic. (5/13/2003 22:31) **** And, so it goes ... Starman

by **dbeach** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:03 pm

Starman said: "And there are already indications the US has developed microbe weapons which are prohibited by International agreements the US is signatory to -- and since penalties can be life in Prison, there's ALREADY a lot of incentive for folks who are directly involved to protect their ass." so its business as usual with the priests of science ..using our tax dollars to create lethal tonics for your everyday needs I guess "running to the shelter for your mothers little helper " ain't enuff to kill the Citizenry create a problem offer a solution complicate the problem profit from each step

by **Asta** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:58 pm

I should've kept on typing....wasn't trying to be one of the fearmongers. HOWEVER, from an economic standpoint, France is the largest producer in Europe of poultry. Should the bird flu spread there, it's bye bye pat'e for a while, and the price of a chicken wing will certainly go up. As it would here. Our economy is in the tank as it is, I would dread seeing our local farmers dealt that kind of financial blow by this virus -- and when you factor in the "help" our government (haha) is willing to provide, well, a lot of people will end up being "clucked". Hmmm, I kinda like that ... just tell Cheney to go cluck himself. The Mothercluckers.) If it's not the bird flu, it's mad cow disease. If it's not mad cow, it's genetically modified corn...

by **blanc** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:47 pm

it has arrived here, turkey farm affected, vaccination of poultry and zoo birds in progress, a few countries banning imports, approx 5 per cent of production is for those markets, so production chain is affected to some extent. dead cat in Germany too. but there again, I had chicken roast at the weekend (local produce) and am still breathing.

by **madeupname452** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:08 pm

<a href="http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,66289,00.html">www.wired.com/news/medtec...89,00.html</a> Some fear that making the latest methods of genetic modification public will provide terrorists with the know-how to concoct new bioweapons in the comfort of their own garage. "Biological knowledge can be used for good or ill and unfortunately it's easier to make a biological weapon than it is defenses," said David Seagrest, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies who focuses on biology and terrorism. With free instructions on how to cook up new, improved toxins, open-source biology could pose a threat to homeland security. Jefferson, however, distinguishes between having access to biotech components and the legal license to use them. The techniques for biohacking are already public -- they can be found in IP contracts -- it's just not legal to apply them. "The people who have malice are going to do it irrespective of whether or not it's legal," said Jefferson. Brent and Drew Endy, assistant professor of biology at MIT, who first coined the phrase "open source biology" at Berkeley's MSI, echoed this distinction. "Right now anybody who wants can re-synthesize the SARS virus," explained Brent. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x">

by **Col Quisp** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:34 pm

Check this out: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Report Says Global Poultry Industry is the Root of the Bird Flu Crisis Press Release from GRAIN. Date: 27 February 2006 <a href="http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=372">www.grain.org/nfg/?id=372</a> Small-scale poultry farming and wild birds are being unfairly blamed for the bird flu crisis now affecting large parts of the world. A new report from GRAIN shows how the transnational poultry industry is the root of the problem and must be the focus of efforts to control the virus.[1] The spread of industrial poultry production and trade networks has created ideal conditions for the emergence and transmission of lethal viruses like the H5N1 strain of bird flu. Once inside densely populated factory farms, viruses can rapidly become lethal and amplify. Air thick with viral load from infected farms is carried for kilometres, while integrated trade networks spread the disease through many carriers: live birds, day-old-chicks, meat, feathers, hatching eggs, eggs, chicken manure and animal feed.[2] "Everyone is focused on migratory birds and backyard chickens as the problem," says Devlin Kuyek of GRAIN. "But they are not effective vectors of highly pathogenic bird flu. The virus kills them, but is unlikely to be spread by them." For example, in Malaysia, the mortality rate from H5N1 among village chicken is only 5%, indicating that the virus has a hard time spreading among small scale chicken flocks. H5N1 outbreaks in Laos, which is surrounded by infected countries, have only occurred in the nation's few factory farms, which are supplied by Thai hatcheries. The only cases of bird flu in backyard poultry, which account for over 90% of Laos' production, occurred next to the factory farms. "The evidence we see over and over again, from the Netherlands in 2003 to Japan in 2004 to Egypt in 2006, is that lethal bird flu breaks out in large scale industrial chicken farms and then spreads," Kuyek explains. The Nigerian outbreak earlier this year began at a single factory farm, owned by a Cabinet minister, distant from hotspots for migratory birds but known for importing unregulated hatchable eggs. In India, local authorities say that H5N1 emerged and spread from a factory farm owned by the country's largest poultry company, Venkateshwara Hatcheries. A burning question is why governments and international agencies, like the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, are doing nothing to investigate how the factory farms and their byproducts, such as animal feed and manure, spread the virus. Instead, they are using the crisis as an opportunity to further industrialise the poultry sector. Initiatives are multiplying to ban outdoor poultry, squeeze out small producers and restock farms with genetically-modified chickens. The web of complicity with an industry engaged in a string of denials and cover-ups seems complete. "Farmers are losing their livelihoods, native chickens are being wiped out and some experts say that we're on the verge of a human pandemic that could kill millions of people," Kuyek concludes. "When will governments realise that to protect poultry and people from bird flu, we need to protect them from the global poultry industry?" [1] The full briefing, "Fowl play: The poultry industry's central role in the bird flu crisis", is available at <a href="http://www.grain.org.">www.grain.org.</a> Spanish and French translations will be posted shortly. [2] Chicken faeces and bedding from poultry factory floors are common ingredients in animal feed. GRAIN is an international non-governmental organisation (NGO) which promotes the sustainable management and use of agricultural biodiversity based on people's control over genetic resources and local knowledge. Contact: Devlin Kuyek, GRAIN, in Montreal Tel: +1 514 2737314 Email: devlin@grain.org Website: <a href="http://www.grain.org">www.grain.org</a><hr></blockquote>

by **professorpan** » Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:54 pm

Excellent find, Colonel. The irony is extreme -- the very conditions that make chickens more susceptible to avian flu (and other diseases) is being touted as the solution. For most people, all it would take is to visit a modern chicken farm/factory to make them swear off eating the stuff for life. Just the smell might be enough to do it.

by **Col Quisp** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:28 pm

I've been thinking about this and wondering -- cats are found dead all the time and unceremoniously tossed in the garbage. Why did they decide to test that German cat for bird flu? Something doesn't add up, unless it is designed to fuel panic. I heard that Germans are trying to have their cats euthanized in the off chance that they might have avian flu. This is all about fear, isn't it?

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Bird Flu?...Hey, check out those Chemtrails!

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