The Greenbaum Speech

[lightningBugout]

Anyone know much about the history of the Greenbaum speech?

Some background:

The Greenbaum Speech is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled "Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse," delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia.

Hammond, a clinical hypnotherapist (and Mormon) from Utah gave, out of left field apparently, a speech detailing the nuts/bolts technical details of MK Ultra and related programming. If what he says is true, he and a number of therapists across the country found a huge amount of independent corroboration for the recurrence of MPD programs and alter systems in patients all over the cultural milieu map. Many had been raised in close proximity to CIA/Army/NASA, etc.

As I understand it, Hammond soon started receiving death threats and eventually retired the topic from his professional range.

Not surprisingly the speech is often attacked and maligned by skeptics around the web, but I find it very curious in its relative lack of exposure as well as its incredible level of specificity and, the scope of its relevance to so many therapists.

Anyone have good, deep articles/history/debunkings/follow-ups, etc?

I am still very actively trying to get my head around TBMC and, while I do believe it to be real, would very much like to find more evidence, if only to fight back the skeptics with.

Thanks

ps. Has anyone else heard that after Bob Hope died, a photo of him with Brice Taylor was found in his belongings?

[zhivkov]

This is a very interesting article! I am sorry to say I have never heard of the man before. nor anything about the Hope rumor. I appreciate you posting it and will look through it several more times. Sirhan and many other "lone nuts" I am 100% convinced had some form of MC programming done to them. I have just finished reading On the Trail of the Assassins by Jim Garrison, an excellent book that was recommended to me by a person on the RI forum. This is the only JFK book I have ever read that mentions Kerry Thornley. He served at Atsugi air force base in Japan with Oswald before Oswald's defection to the USSR. Later in his life Thornley believed that he had been the victim of some form of programming at Atsugi maybe involving LSD. Thanks again for the article and I am so glad MC/MKultra victims are coming out about their victimization.

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[brainpanhandler]

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[brainpanhandler]

Wondering if Hammond was still alive...

Psychology Today therapists directory entry for D. Corydon Hammond

http://therapists.psychologytoday.com/r ... state=Utah

I'm struggling to understand how this man reconciles his knowledge of cult based ritual abuse/mind control with his mormon faith.

On edit: Is he a Mormon?

[kurish]

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[American Dream]

kurish wrote:

Finally, I've been pretty interested in attending one of the annual "Ritual Abuse and Mind Control Conferences" in order to see what's become of Hammond's legacy, but they're far away from me and usually inconveniently timed. I'm considering ponying up the $100+ for the audio recordings of this year's conference (naturally I'll order them under a fictitious name--who knows who the hell is behind that site Twisted Evil ). Anyone interested in MP3s?

MP3's are already happening, here:

Audio Presentations from The Eleventh Annual Ritual Abuse, Secretive Organizations and Mind Control Conference - 2008

http://smart-talks.podomatic.com/


For whatever it is worth, I think Cory Hammond is the real deal, and that the Greenbaum Speech is valuable, though most of the allegations are indeed unproven. Simply going by what I can piece together from verified information, I think his talk corresponds well with "The Truth", as does the 1995 Human Radiation Experiments testimony before Congress.

That said, I must confess I'm not at all sure about Brice Taylor's testimony, and Cathy O'Brien's I do consider to be unreliable, even though I imagine some of it must be true...

[kurish]

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[Project Willow]

SMART is in the process of moving its website here:

http://ritualabuse.us

Several conference presentation transcripts are posted, as well as newsletters and other documents, but the numerous links within page content haven't been updated yet.

I encourage anyone who is interested to attend a conference. Speakers and attendees are screened, but it's a given that even those of us in recovery can still be compromised, so the experience can be triggering. However, I've always found the conferences to be extremely informative and empowering on balance.

Wish I could give some input on the Greenbaum speech. Scanning it again, I see he mentions "Monarch". I hadn't remembered that, and I wonder what was his source. Other than that he had the basic procedure down. What I would say is that knowledge of the methods has been filled in a great deal since he gave the speech, and what he saw as universal practices are actually subsets or varieties. We know a lot more about color associated programming, different types of interior structures, (there are several besides the tree, and some are completely individual) and other alter system naming conventions besides the greek letter type.

As for Mengele sightings, see this site: (Warning! photos may be highly triggering)

http://my.dmci.net/~casey/JosephMengelesurvivorsightings.htm

It's unfortunate that quite often I have friends or others believing me about the experimentation until they see his name mentioned in connection with the programs, then all credibility seems to go out of the window. It really isn't so far fetched however, considering the Project Paperclip network. A few years ago, a camp survivor published research on Mengele's post war whereabouts, and it seemed to support some of the sightings in the US. I need to look up that material.

[lightningBugout]

PW - what's the consensus on Monarch these days? From what I've read there is some sentiment that Phillips created the name. But at the same time, I recall reading that a CIA spokesperson had tersely and turgidly made a comment that "we" stopped that project back in the early 1970's. As I read it, it suggested that the term had been thrown around well before Phillips.

[American Dream]

Project Willow wrote:

Wish I could give some input on the Greenbaum speech. Scanning it again, I see he mentions "Monarch". I hadn't remembered that, and I wonder what was his source. Other than that he had the basic procedure down.

The Greenbaum Speech is dated 1992, same year that the Franklin Coverup is listed as coming out, in paperback at least. I understand that Mark Phillips has boasted that he is the origin of the "Monarch" moniker, though this means little, as he is such a bullshit artist. Also, I understand that Ron Patton, who wrote the Project Monarch article that has seen wide play on the Internet, now considers the name Monarch to be disinformational.

I'm not questioning that trauma-based mind control exists- just a government program by the name "Monarch"...

[lightningBugout]

Agreed. But what is really interesting to me is this - there is a network of deprogrammers who are basically underground (ie not on the web). And they all seem to laugh off Phillips and Patton and Fritz Springmeier.

[American Dream]

lightningbugout wrote:

what is really interesting to me is this - there is a network of deprogrammers who are basically underground (ie not on the web). And they all seem to laugh off Phillips and Patton and Fritz Springmeier

I don't think Ron Patton really belongs in the same category with Mark Phillips and Fritz Springmeier. Ron is a good-hearted person who is growing and changing as he moves forward in life. Phillips and Springmeier, by contrast, are not at all trustworthy in my book.

Ron is not a deprogrammer, and he may have more positive impressions of deliverance ministries than I do, but I consider him a "good egg".

Springmeier and Phillips are, at best, con-men and opportunists. At worst, they are far more nefarious than that...

[lightningBugout]

AD. Funny you'd mention it, but what do do you make of deliverance ministries (ie Good Shepherd). It is so obvious and appealing to laugh them off, but I wonder if a closer examination would reveal their techniques to be more useful than their creed might suggest. I've noticed that its mostly fundies who are willing to believe and try to intervene in TBMC. But part of me thinks that is more likely a historical accident than a substantive ontological problem.

[kurish]

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